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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-14-2022 02:11 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:01 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 12:31 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  Our best performance, the Texas Bowl, was one of two bowl games that night- the other being the Holiday Bowl featuring two dynamic offenses in Oregon/ Okie St. That game was on ESPN. Our game was on NFL Network, which was new and not on many cable lineups yet. As a result NO ONE saw our game. It's like it didn't happen.

I and many thousands of others knew it happened because we watched it in person. That was a fun night!

It was a fantastic night. I think there were 50,000 people at the game and it was rocking!

The Dillard to Clement TD pass was the perfect cherry on top!
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-14-2022 02:17 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:11 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:01 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 12:31 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  Our best performance, the Texas Bowl, was one of two bowl games that night- the other being the Holiday Bowl featuring two dynamic offenses in Oregon/ Okie St. That game was on ESPN. Our game was on NFL Network, which was new and not on many cable lineups yet. As a result NO ONE saw our game. It's like it didn't happen.

I and many thousands of others knew it happened because we watched it in person. That was a fun night!

It was a fantastic night. I think there were 50,000 people at the game and it was rocking!

The Dillard to Clement TD pass was the perfect cherry on top!

What if Notre Dame didn't chicken out and go to the Hawaii Bowl instead of the Texas Bowl? Whoo Boy!
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-14-2022 05:47 PM)ausowl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:17 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:11 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:01 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 12:31 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  Our best performance, the Texas Bowl, was one of two bowl games that night- the other being the Holiday Bowl featuring two dynamic offenses in Oregon/ Okie St. That game was on ESPN. Our game was on NFL Network, which was new and not on many cable lineups yet. As a result NO ONE saw our game. It's like it didn't happen.

I and many thousands of others knew it happened because we watched it in person. That was a fun night!

It was a fantastic night. I think there were 50,000 people at the game and it was rocking!

The Dillard to Clement TD pass was the perfect cherry on top!

What if Notre Dame didn't chicken out and go to the Hawaii Bowl instead of the Texas Bowl? Whoo Boy!

yeah I forgot about that. More crappy luck. bah humbug!

Wasn't the fact the Texas Bowl was on invistible NFL Network the primary reason they made that decision
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-14-2022 06:07 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 05:47 PM)ausowl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:17 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:11 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:01 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I and many thousands of others knew it happened because we watched it in person. That was a fun night!

It was a fantastic night. I think there were 50,000 people at the game and it was rocking!

The Dillard to Clement TD pass was the perfect cherry on top!

What if Notre Dame didn't chicken out and go to the Hawaii Bowl instead of the Texas Bowl? Whoo Boy!

yeah I forgot about that. More crappy luck. bah humbug!

Wasn't the fact the Texas Bowl was on invistible NFL Network the primary reason they made that decision

The Notre Dame Broadcasting Company (NBC) wouldn’t have picked up the game?
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-14-2022 09:29 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  The Notre Dame Broadcasting Company (NBC) wouldn’t have picked up the game?

Couldn't. Rights were already set in stone.
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-15-2022 05:15 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 09:29 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  The Notre Dame Broadcasting Company (NBC) wouldn’t have picked up the game?

Couldn't. Rights were already set in stone.

Everything is negotiable, especially with ND and NBC $$$$ leading the discussion.
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-14-2022 06:07 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 05:47 PM)ausowl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:17 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:11 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  
(07-14-2022 02:01 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I and many thousands of others knew it happened because we watched it in person. That was a fun night!

It was a fantastic night. I think there were 50,000 people at the game and it was rocking!

The Dillard to Clement TD pass was the perfect cherry on top!

What if Notre Dame didn't chicken out and go to the Hawaii Bowl instead of the Texas Bowl? Whoo Boy!

yeah I forgot about that. More crappy luck. bah humbug!

Wasn't the fact the Texas Bowl was on invistible NFL Network the primary reason they made that decision

Yes, but they also didn't want to lose to Rice.
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
I find it difficult to gripe about the Bailiff era given what I've watched the last few years and frankly the last 40. Three pretty awesome bowl victories for those who attended which is kind of the point. An appearance in a real bowl game against probably the best team in the country. I think we were the last team to have a lead on them for like the next 6 games. Beat a Purdue team that beat Ohio State that year. Beating Kansas on the road. Great trips to West Point. Beat Fresno St which Hatfield could never seem to do. Let it all hang out in the Marshall game.

Some lean years in there for sure, but mostly we've had coaches that only produced lean years for the last 70. And, Coach B was a good person and never openly complained about being hamstrung in terms of resources. He was a players coach for sure, but now we get to see what the opposite produces and it's not pretty (except of course for the wife). Comparing eras is somewhat useless in our ever descending conference positioning, but I had as much fun during the Bailiff era as I did for Goldsmith and Hatfield. Now the program just seems boring and listless.
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RE: Review of Upbeat Projections from 2008
(07-16-2022 10:05 AM)mebehutchi Wrote:  I find it difficult to gripe about the Bailiff era given what I've watched the last few years and frankly the last 40. Three pretty awesome bowl victories for those who attended which is kind of the point. An appearance in a real bowl game against probably the best team in the country. I think we were the last team to have a lead on them for like the next 6 games. Beat a Purdue team that beat Ohio State that year. Beating Kansas on the road. Great trips to West Point. Beat Fresno St which Hatfield could never seem to do. Let it all hang out in the Marshall game.

Some lean years in there for sure, but mostly we've had coaches that only produced lean years for the last 70. And, Coach B was a good person and never openly complained about being hamstrung in terms of resources. He was a players coach for sure, but now we get to see what the opposite produces and it's not pretty (except of course for the wife). Comparing eras is somewhat useless in our ever descending conference positioning, but I had as much fun during the Bailiff era as I did for Goldsmith and Hatfield. Now the program just seems boring and listless.

I was thankful that I got to experience some of the things I got to experience, after living through the Great Drought in1962-2006. Still am. Bowl games, 10 win seasons, conference championships. Not good enough, but better than anything else since 1961.

Since we jettisoned him, none of those things. So let’s boot another one and hope once again we strike gold with the next one. Or at least bronze.
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I found Bailiff to be a confounding mix of paradoxes.

He had a conservative defensive philosophy but his teams were never very good defensively.
He had two corners who ave played for several years on Sundays, but his pass defense was awful.
He had two kickers, one who plays on Sundays and one who should have, but his special teams were always sloppy rather than good.
He took basically the same team that had gone to a bowl, added Thor, and went 3-9 with them. Then he won 10 games with them, and followed that by going 2-10, 4-8, 4-8, at a time when the changes going on in conference alignment made it absolutely critical to put his best foot forward.
Back to the top of the conference in 2013, then down to the worst depths Rice had seen in 3 decades, and this time it was not against a real conference.

Yes he had a lot of good results. And a lot of godawful ones. What he never developed was consistency. He couldn't maintain.

I think he might be best summed up as is teams played hard, but were incredibly sloppy.

From what (admittedly little) I see now, I'm not sure how hard the team is playing, and they're only slightly less sloppy.
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(07-16-2022 01:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I found Bailiff to be a confounding mix of paradoxes.

He had a conservative defensive philosophy but his teams were never very good defensively.
He had two corners who ave played for several years on Sundays, but his pass defense was awful.
He had two kickers, one who plays on Sundays and one who should have, but his special teams were always sloppy rather than good.
He took basically the same team that had gone to a bowl, added Thor, and went 3-9 with them. Then he won 10 games with them, and followed that by going 2-10, 4-8, 4-8, at a time when the changes going on in conference alignment made it absolutely critical to put his best foot forward.
Back to the top of the conference in 2013, then down to the worst depths Rice had seen in 3 decades, and this time it was not against a real conference.

Yes he had a lot of good results. And a lot of godawful ones. What he never developed was consistency. He couldn't maintain.

I think he might be best summed up as is teams played hard, but were incredibly sloppy.

From what (admittedly little) I see now, I'm not sure how hard the team is playing, and they're only slightly less sloppy.

The slide from 2013/2014 to the end of his tenure is tough to explain but IMO it was a combination of losing the AAC teams, which took away our only interesting opponents and further decreased CUSA TV revenue and a refusal by Rice to spend what it takes to run a successful program (something that I think was remedied with Bloom's hiring). That manifested into assistant coach salaries well below "market" and him either rolling the dice on really young coaches or settling for retreads with no other options and no money for the many analysts that all programs rely on these days to take low-level work off of the coaches hands. I think his last few staff's were just horrible recruiters, but JMO from the outside looking in. Something changed from being able to recruit Solomon, Gaines, Callahan, J. Taylor, C. Ross, Eddigton, etc. to the team that Bloom ultimately took over.
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(07-16-2022 01:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Yes he had a lot of good results. And a lot of godawful ones. What he never developed was consistency. He couldn't maintain.

It is the former that I am thankful for. The Texas Bowl, the Armed Forces Bowl, the CC. I spent forty+ years as a Rice fan without experiencing those. Glad I got to do them. Sure would be nice to do them again.

Speaking of good results and godawful ones, the last half of regular season 2006 was a sublime experience. Unfortunately, we had to go and get whipped in the NO Bowl by Troy. Overall, the Toad year was like an ice cream sundae bookended by pig slop.
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(09-27-2021 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-27-2021 12:06 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  Did you forget 2009-11 where we went 10-26 with a season high of 4 wins? 2009 alone we immediately dropped down from 10 wins to 10 losses.

That was when I moved from on the fence about Bailiff to believing he was the wrong man for the job.

Ditto; although Nicholls Stste was a bellweather, wa'n't it?
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