(09-29-2021 01:42 PM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:14 AM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  [quote='firmbizzle' pid='17679632' dateline='1632822115']
You can't give up that Houston market.


Still got SMU. We don’t need any more Texas teams. Rice has no fans. Markets don’t mean anything wo a large fan following.

This is far from the truth. Rice has an active alumni base, their main issue is the administration does not put a high emphasis on football and basketball, but this can easily change if the team has an opportunity to compete for a New Year bowl. Also the rivals in the AAC will be closer, there will be fans who will show for games against smu, tulane, navy etc

Doesn’t matter as they are not being considered

(09-28-2021 10:53 AM)Kandy Atz Wrote:  This thread is all over the place. First and really the only question that matters is what does ESPN want? If having a team in Houston means more dollars/viewers choose Rice - I prefer the wild kind, although starting KETO, so its Cauliflower Rice for now.

If ESPN has no opinion, go to Rice and give them the ultimatum. If they are willing to invest a significant amount toward building their brand and reaching out to Houston, then its Rice. We don't need another UCONN. As much as I like UTSAs potential, you have to have a presence in Houston, just like DFW. That is where the recruits are, the corporate sponsors, and potential fans. Texas is way too important on the national football scene to cede to the Big 12 and SEC. If two schools are needed, take them both. And I would stop with 2 from Texas and seek the rest from other states/regions.

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You completely left out who has the best tacos in this evaluation. The conference moved its headquarters from the lobster and cod capital of the country to Tacoland. At the conference media days, what are you going to serve? Rice or Tacos?

(09-29-2021 01:42 PM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:14 AM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  [quote='firmbizzle' pid='17679632' dateline='1632822115']
You can't give up that Houston market.


Still got SMU. We don’t need any more Texas teams. Rice has no fans. Markets don’t mean anything wo a large fan following.

This is far from the truth. Rice has an active alumni base, their main issue is the administration does not put a high emphasis on football and basketball, but this can easily change if the team has an opportunity to compete for a New Year bowl. Also the rivals in the AAC will be closer, there will be fans who will show for games against smu, tulane, navy etc

Don't sleep on Houston.

(09-29-2021 01:26 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:05 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You can't give up that Houston market.

You can give it up extremely easily if Rice continues to think they can win trying to emulate Stanford and not SMU athletically.

Actually, emulating Stanford would be a huge achievement - that's consistently the best top-to-bottom athletic department in the country and they regularly make noise in the revenue sports of football and men's basketball.

I think it's more that Rice's athletic recruitment looks more like the Ivy League even though they shouldn't be doing so with Rice's ability to provide athletic scholarships. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern and Notre Dame are all examples of schools that are perfectly fine balancing top academics with big-time athletics.

The problem here is you just named power conference schools (and lets not pretend Duke is applying any kind of strenuous academic standards on basketball recruits at this point). The list of smarty pants football and basketball recruits is already pretty small, and Rice is going to be last choice on that list since they are the only top 25 USNWR university with FBS athletics that isn't in a P5 conference.

(09-29-2021 02:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 01:26 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:05 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You can't give up that Houston market.

You can give it up extremely easily if Rice continues to think they can win trying to emulate Stanford and not SMU athletically.

Actually, emulating Stanford would be a huge achievement - that's consistently the best top-to-bottom athletic department in the country and they regularly make noise in the revenue sports of football and men's basketball.

I think it's more that Rice's athletic recruitment looks more like the Ivy League even though they shouldn't be doing so with Rice's ability to provide athletic scholarships. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern and Notre Dame are all examples of schools that are perfectly fine balancing top academics with big-time athletics.

The problem here is you just named power conference schools (and lets not pretend Duke is applying any kind of strenuous academic standards on basketball recruits at this point). The list of smarty pants football and basketball recruits is already pretty small, and Rice is going to be last choice on that list since they are the only top 25 USNWR university with FBS athletics that isn't in a P5 conference.

Everything you say is true, to a point. But one thing that can set Rice apart in that academically elite group is that even at those other schools, if you’re an athlete who is also serious about getting an elite academic education at one of those schools, in the revenue sports (and in some cases in all sports) the coaches will be steering you away from the hard majors because they are a drain on practice time. At Rice, you can do both. Of course still not a bad plan to load up on more coursework in the spring if you’re playing football.

Another thing that helps Rice recruit is that even as a non-P5, we have continued to include usually 2 P5 on our OOC in football, same goes for all other sports. Even though we’re no longer in the old SWC, we still schedule historical SWC teams and other power conference teams.

(10-02-2021 08:58 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 02:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 01:26 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:05 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 04:41 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  You can't give up that Houston market.

You can give it up extremely easily if Rice continues to think they can win trying to emulate Stanford and not SMU athletically.

Actually, emulating Stanford would be a huge achievement - that's consistently the best top-to-bottom athletic department in the country and they regularly make noise in the revenue sports of football and men's basketball.

I think it's more that Rice's athletic recruitment looks more like the Ivy League even though they shouldn't be doing so with Rice's ability to provide athletic scholarships. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern and Notre Dame are all examples of schools that are perfectly fine balancing top academics with big-time athletics.

The problem here is you just named power conference schools (and lets not pretend Duke is applying any kind of strenuous academic standards on basketball recruits at this point). The list of smarty pants football and basketball recruits is already pretty small, and Rice is going to be last choice on that list since they are the only top 25 USNWR university with FBS athletics that isn't in a P5 conference.

Everything you say is true, to a point. But one thing that can set Rice apart in that academically elite group is that even at those other schools, if you’re an athlete who is also serious about getting an elite academic education at one of those schools, in the revenue sports (and in some cases in all sports) the coaches will be steering you away from the hard majors because they are a drain on practice time. At Rice, you can do both. Of course still not a bad plan to load up on more coursework in the spring if you’re playing football.

Another thing that helps Rice recruit is that even as a non-P5, we have continued to include usually 2 P5 on our OOC in football, same goes for all other sports. Even though we’re no longer in the old SWC, we still schedule historical SWC teams and other power conference teams.

I'm sorry this is not living in any sort of reality if winning is even more than a secondary concern.

UTSA is having a good year and I think they have potential and thought that if AF was coming over they had an advantage with all the AF bases around them. But They lack a good basketball arena, the AlamoDome is not close to campus and certainly academics wise Rice is the choice. So I’m going to say that if the AAC now needs another Texas school Rice meets more the profile of the rest of our schools.

Vince Lombardi: “Winning isn’t everything. It’s the only thing.”

Mike Bloomgren: “Treat Victory and Defeat as the imposters that they are”

It is two different approaches. The first is probably the clearest path back to P5. The second is how I would raise my kids (if I had kids) and is how I ultimately want the coaches for my team to influence the kids playing for my the teams representing my school.

To be clear, the context here is our coach not completely satisfied with our performance in a football win (against a FCS team). Our goal is excellence in all phases. That includes off- and on- field Phases. If we meet those goals… the winning will follow naturally from that excellence.

We are not there yet in all sports. But I like the way we put our goals in context.

If we come through and meet those goals on OUR TERMS Rice will be at a level where it can compete and win regularly in a conference like the American or the MWC. We are already doing this in non-revenue sports. Just takes a little longer to make this happen in FB and MBB. MBB is already winning and set to break through this season. FB felt very close but with several key injuries is still a year away from anything more than 6-6.

Rice has about a good chance to get invited to the AAC as Memphis does to the B1G.

You pick the best football schools with good trajectory over the next 3-5 years as the G5 reshuffle happens and the AAC hopes to stay at the top. No Rice. No UNT or GSU or USM. None of them are options unless this conference completely disintegrates.

Now whether the top schools are App State, ULL, Marshall, Coastal or UAB, that's the real debate.

Rice sucks and are not invested to spend money.

UTSA is getting better and is willing to invest.

(10-02-2021 09:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 08:58 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 02:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 01:26 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 07:05 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You can give it up extremely easily if Rice continues to think they can win trying to emulate Stanford and not SMU athletically.

Actually, emulating Stanford would be a huge achievement - that's consistently the best top-to-bottom athletic department in the country and they regularly make noise in the revenue sports of football and men's basketball.

I think it's more that Rice's athletic recruitment looks more like the Ivy League even though they shouldn't be doing so with Rice's ability to provide athletic scholarships. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern and Notre Dame are all examples of schools that are perfectly fine balancing top academics with big-time athletics.

The problem here is you just named power conference schools (and lets not pretend Duke is applying any kind of strenuous academic standards on basketball recruits at this point). The list of smarty pants football and basketball recruits is already pretty small, and Rice is going to be last choice on that list since they are the only top 25 USNWR university with FBS athletics that isn't in a P5 conference.

Everything you say is true, to a point. But one thing that can set Rice apart in that academically elite group is that even at those other schools, if you’re an athlete who is also serious about getting an elite academic education at one of those schools, in the revenue sports (and in some cases in all sports) the coaches will be steering you away from the hard majors because they are a drain on practice time. At Rice, you can do both. Of course still not a bad plan to load up on more coursework in the spring if you’re playing football.

Another thing that helps Rice recruit is that even as a non-P5, we have continued to include usually 2 P5 on our OOC in football, same goes for all other sports. Even though we’re no longer in the old SWC, we still schedule historical SWC teams and other power conference teams.

I'm sorry this is not living in any sort of reality if winning is even more than a secondary concern.

Yeah that was completely delusional. Somehow SMU, Duke, Tulane, Stanford and USC can figure out how to win. Ruce has even less of an excuse considering their location.

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(10-02-2021 09:50 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 09:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 08:58 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 02:07 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 01:26 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Actually, emulating Stanford would be a huge achievement - that's consistently the best top-to-bottom athletic department in the country and they regularly make noise in the revenue sports of football and men's basketball.

I think it's more that Rice's athletic recruitment looks more like the Ivy League even though they shouldn't be doing so with Rice's ability to provide athletic scholarships. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern and Notre Dame are all examples of schools that are perfectly fine balancing top academics with big-time athletics.

The problem here is you just named power conference schools (and lets not pretend Duke is applying any kind of strenuous academic standards on basketball recruits at this point). The list of smarty pants football and basketball recruits is already pretty small, and Rice is going to be last choice on that list since they are the only top 25 USNWR university with FBS athletics that isn't in a P5 conference.

Everything you say is true, to a point. But one thing that can set Rice apart in that academically elite group is that even at those other schools, if you’re an athlete who is also serious about getting an elite academic education at one of those schools, in the revenue sports (and in some cases in all sports) the coaches will be steering you away from the hard majors because they are a drain on practice time. At Rice, you can do both. Of course still not a bad plan to load up on more coursework in the spring if you’re playing football.

Another thing that helps Rice recruit is that even as a non-P5, we have continued to include usually 2 P5 on our OOC in football, same goes for all other sports. Even though we’re no longer in the old SWC, we still schedule historical SWC teams and other power conference teams.

I'm sorry this is not living in any sort of reality if winning is even more than a secondary concern.

Yeah that was completely delusional. Somehow SMU, Duke, Tulane, Stanford and USC can figure out how to win. Ruce has even less of an excuse considering their location.

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If Rice can get to where Tulane is now in a few years, that would be a "win" for the conference. It's possible if there is the will for it. The American does not need Rice to carry the conference. It needs ECU, USF, and Memphis to carry their load.

There is no way to replace what was lost in UH, UCF and Cincinnati.

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(09-26-2021 05:41 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  Probably Rice but for now, neither. I prefer UAB, App State, Marshall, Coastal Carolina.

I drive by CCU's stadium all the time its amazing how far they have come.
But 17k is the record crowd and basketball has a three thousand seat arena.
Jamie Chadwel leaves and they struggle your stuck with tiny facilities and no fan base. Current success needs to be like fourth or fifth on your list for a candidate.

(09-29-2021 01:42 PM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:14 AM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  [quote='firmbizzle' pid='17679632' dateline='1632822115']
You can't give up that Houston market.


Still got SMU. We don’t need any more Texas teams. Rice has no fans. Markets don’t mean anything wo a large fan following.

This is far from the truth. Rice has an active alumni base, their main issue is the administration does not put a high emphasis on football and basketball, but this can easily change if the team has an opportunity to compete for a New Year bowl. Also the rivals in the AAC will be closer, there will be fans who will show for games against smu, tulane, navy etc

Doesnt Rice have 3 Texas teams and a Louisiana team to play right now? Any AAC division Rice would be part of would probably be about the same--perhaps even a bit more spread out---rather than less.

(10-02-2021 01:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-29-2021 01:42 PM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  

(09-28-2021 08:14 AM)Sea Pirate Wrote:  [quote='firmbizzle' pid='17679632' dateline='1632822115']
You can't give up that Houston market.


Still got SMU. We don’t need any more Texas teams. Rice has no fans. Markets don’t mean anything wo a large fan following.

This is far from the truth. Rice has an active alumni base, their main issue is the administration does not put a high emphasis on football and basketball, but this can easily change if the team has an opportunity to compete for a New Year bowl. Also the rivals in the AAC will be closer, there will be fans who will show for games against smu, tulane, navy etc

Doesnt Rice have 3 Texas teams and a Louisiana team to play right now? Any AAC division Rice would be part of would probably be about the same--perhaps even a bit more spread out---rather than less.

Yes. Travel would be about the same.
Value proposition here (for Rice alumni/fans) is about quality of opponent, not proximity.

Can someone please enlighten me as to what is so special about Texas, that there's a scenario in which the American ABSOLUTELY needs another team there? Are viewership ratings worth twice as much down there?

(10-02-2021 03:29 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  Can someone please enlighten me as to what is so special about Texas, that there's a scenario in which the American ABSOLUTELY needs another team there? Are viewership ratings worth twice as much down there?

More viewers in a high football viewership area. More valuable to tv deals.

(10-02-2021 03:31 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(10-02-2021 03:29 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  Can someone please enlighten me as to what is so special about Texas, that there's a scenario in which the American ABSOLUTELY needs another team there? Are viewership ratings worth twice as much down there?

More viewers in a high football viewership area. More valuable to tv deals.

Texas is the only place football is popular?

Viewership is based on the popularity and success of a program.