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RE: O.C.S. is unnecessary and is not the reason that we were not
2 teams in the Big 12 that either built either new stadiums or completely rebuilt their old one are Baylor and TCU. Baylor seats 45k. TCU seats 47k.

Of the teams that were in our conference who have moved up over the last 20 years, I think Louisville provides the best model. They built a 40,000 seat on campus stadium and as they moved up in conferences, they added on as needed. That's what i think we should do.
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(09-25-2021 09:09 AM)micman Wrote:  2 teams in the Big 12 that either built either new stadiums or completely rebuilt their old one are Baylor and TCU. Baylor seats 45k. TCU seats 47k.

Of the teams that were in our conference who have moved up over the last 20 years, I think Louisville provides the best model. They built a 40,000 seat on campus stadium and as they moved up in conferences, they added on as needed. That's what i think we should do.

All three AAC teams that moved up have 40-45k capacity. I think 45k with room for expansion would be perfect.
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RE: O.C.S. is unnecessary and is not the reason that we were not
South Alabama had a vision. It doesn’t appear to have had anything to do with Big12 admittance.

Get On Campus

The University launched a fundraising campaign in August with the goal of building an on-campus football stadium by 2020. The campaign, called Get On Campus, is part of a comprehensive effort to fund the new stadium.

“Our students, fans, alumni and visiting fans deserve to be on our beautiful campus to enjoy a traditional college football game day,” said Joel Erdmann, the University’s athletic director.

The state-of-the-art stadium will provide students, alumni and the Mobile community with an unrivaled fan experience at Jaguar football games and will significantly elevate the University’s growing national profile in athletics, academics and student life. The future stadium will be located adjacent to the Jaguars’ football field house and newly opened Jaguar Training Center.

The University has committed that the stadium will not be paid for with tuition dollars from students.

“We are committed to having an on-campus football stadium at South, and we are committed to doing everything within our power to have that stadium open for the 2020 football season,” said President Tony Waldrop. “We also are committed to not using our students’ tuition dollars to build a stadium.”

Fundraising efforts for the stadium will be ongoing. The Get On Campus campaign will be evaluated continuously, and the campaign’s progress will determine how quickly the University can move ahead to the next phases of construction.

“Now is the time to give all of our alumni, fans and supporters the opportunity to get involved in the Get On Campus campaign, which provides opportunities for everyone, at all levels of support, to help make our on-campus stadium a reality,” said Waldrop.

https://www.southalabama.edu/departments...ampus.html

I’m guessing the end result was close to the planned result.

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The Louisville stadium is not really on campus (much like UCF and Baylor). All are about a mile away from their main campus. Their main stadium parking is adjacent to these stadiums. So fans and alumni would never step foot on the campus in this case either. It would be like putting a place on the Tiger south campus. I like what you are saying about starting at say 40-44K, then see what happens from there. If they are going to do it then do it "on campus" I really like how Tulane shoe horned their stadium into a small area. It is a tight fit. It would need to be somewhat larger for Memphis though. Cincinnati's place also did the same but is the right size.
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RE: O.C.S. is unnecessary and is not the reason that we were not
There have been several ranklings of stadiums over the years and they all say the same thing about the Liberty Bowl Stadium.

That it is too big for the crowds that the Tigers are getting.

With crowds in the 25,000-27,000 range in years past it was.

As crowds grow larger it becomes less of a liability.
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(09-25-2021 10:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  There have been several ranklings of stadiums over the years and they all say the same thing about the Liberty Bowl Stadium.

That it is too big for the crowds that the Tigers are getting.

With crowds in the 25,000-27,000 range in years past it was.

As crowds grow larger it becomes less of a liability.

A large percentage of our crowds are walk ups & that because tickets are always available. We need a lot more season ticket holders & at least one marquee OOC home game each season to play in a 40K stadium capacity.
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(09-25-2021 09:54 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  South Alabama had a vision. It doesn’t appear to have had anything to do with Big12 admittance.

Get On Campus

The University launched a fundraising campaign in August with the goal of building an on-campus football stadium by 2020. The campaign, called Get On Campus, is part of a comprehensive effort to fund the new stadium.

“Our students, fans, alumni and visiting fans deserve to be on our beautiful campus to enjoy a traditional college football game day,” said Joel Erdmann, the University’s athletic director.

The state-of-the-art stadium will provide students, alumni and the Mobile community with an unrivaled fan experience at Jaguar football games and will significantly elevate the University’s growing national profile in athletics, academics and student life. The future stadium will be located adjacent to the Jaguars’ football field house and newly opened Jaguar Training Center.

The University has committed that the stadium will not be paid for with tuition dollars from students.

“We are committed to having an on-campus football stadium at South, and we are committed to doing everything within our power to have that stadium open for the 2020 football season,” said President Tony Waldrop. “We also are committed to not using our students’ tuition dollars to build a stadium.”

Fundraising efforts for the stadium will be ongoing. The Get On Campus campaign will be evaluated continuously, and the campaign’s progress will determine how quickly the University can move ahead to the next phases of construction.

“Now is the time to give all of our alumni, fans and supporters the opportunity to get involved in the Get On Campus campaign, which provides opportunities for everyone, at all levels of support, to help make our on-campus stadium a reality,” said Waldrop.

https://www.southalabama.edu/departments...ampus.html

I’m guessing the end result was close to the planned result.

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Yeah they got out of that shitehole ladd peebles. The Univ could do it if they had the balls to tell the city to frick off and would quit pissing off alums.
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(09-25-2021 07:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Even when the B-12 tells us an OCS is an essential criteria, you say no, SMH. The B-12 wants to see a financial commitment to the athletics program - we can't show that paying rent in a mislocated 56 year old municipal stadium that is too large for our fan base to be motivated to buy season tickets. Further the B-12 see the LBS as a tired, old stadium - and they know, one of their teams comes here every year. Down the road, if attendance against B-12 opponents picks up, the OCS can expanded because the demand for seats will pay for it. But we will likely never get that chance because the B-12 has told us we need an OCS to be invited. Every school in the B-12 plays in an OCS. Every school invited from the AAC has an OCS. USF got the message, announced an OCS & already has a $50M commitment from private sources to kickoff their fund raising campaign. What more evidence do you need?

I just don't buy the "commitment" argument - at least not the notion that we have to drop $150-200M on a new stadium to get admitted to a new conference. As far as I can tell, BYU has not done anything to their stadium in the past 40 years beyond what has been done to LBMS. UCF's stadium is 14 years old and cheaply built, no sign of any big commitment there. Meanwhile, Colorado State built a very nice $226M stadium and is barely mentioned as a P5 target. New stadiums built in the last decade at Tulane, North Texas or FAU have not catapulted those schools into contention for anything.

If in fact the B12 is demanding a new stadium for Memphis to get in, then they have an extremely inflated opinion of themselves. Do they think they're the NFL? Maybe professional sports leagues can pull that off - and it's usually the owners who demand new arenas, not the league. But there's no way a B12 invite is worth a $150-200M price tag. For a conference whose "power" status is on life support to make that kind of a demand is laughable, and I wouldn't blame our administration for telling them where they could stick it. Taking on that kind of financial obligation to get into a conference which may be no better than the current AAC in a few years, and would probably have to invite us anyway under those circumstances, doesn't make much sense.
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I agree with the OP about the lack of an OCS not being the reason.
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(09-25-2021 08:31 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  We would be the ONLY school in a P5 conference playing both major sports in rented, municipally owned facilities. Of course, it’s a tremendous factor in the U of M being consistently passed over.

I don't think playing at Fedex Forum is a liability. It's a great experience right off Beale St. Louisville played in Freedom Hall for years that was located on the KY state fairgrounds. They now play in the YUM Center un downtown Louisville.

I do think not having an OCS football stadium is a liability.
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(09-25-2021 11:47 AM)CRM114 Wrote:  
(09-25-2021 07:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Even when the B-12 tells us an OCS is an essential criteria, you say no, SMH. The B-12 wants to see a financial commitment to the athletics program - we can't show that paying rent in a mislocated 56 year old municipal stadium that is too large for our fan base to be motivated to buy season tickets. Further the B-12 see the LBS as a tired, old stadium - and they know, one of their teams comes here every year. Down the road, if attendance against B-12 opponents picks up, the OCS can expanded because the demand for seats will pay for it. But we will likely never get that chance because the B-12 has told us we need an OCS to be invited. Every school in the B-12 plays in an OCS. Every school invited from the AAC has an OCS. USF got the message, announced an OCS & already has a $50M commitment from private sources to kickoff their fund raising campaign. What more evidence do you need?

I just don't buy the "commitment" argument - at least not the notion that we have to drop $150-200M on a new stadium to get admitted to a new conference. As far as I can tell, BYU has not done anything to their stadium in the past 40 years beyond what has been done to LBMS. UCF's stadium is 14 years old and cheaply built, no sign of any big commitment there. Meanwhile, Colorado State built a very nice $226M stadium and is barely mentioned as a P5 target. New stadiums built in the last decade at Tulane, North Texas or FAU have not catapulted those schools into contention for anything.

If in fact the B12 is demanding a new stadium for Memphis to get in, then they have an extremely inflated opinion of themselves. Do they think they're the NFL? Maybe professional sports leagues can pull that off - and it's usually the owners who demand new arenas, not the league. But there's no way a B12 invite is worth a $150-200M price tag. For a conference whose "power" status is on life support to make that kind of a demand is laughable, and I wouldn't blame our administration for telling them where they could stick it. Taking on that kind of financial obligation to get into a conference which may be no better than the current AAC in a few years, and would probably have to invite us anyway under those circumstances, doesn't make much sense.

It’s their club… they can demand what they want. The difference in payout which will likely be in the 20 mil range in the new Big 12 & in the 5 million range in a reconfigured AAC, would pay for the stadium in 10-15 years.

The Liberty Bowl is a significant barrier to admittance & if we decide to stay in it, then we’re also deciding to stay in the AAC/CUSA/Sun Belt.
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(09-25-2021 11:55 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  I agree with the OP about the lack of an OCS not being the reason.

Then you are ignoring what those who are doing the evaluation are saying. Continue believing that & we'll stay where we are or we'll even move backwards.
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(09-25-2021 11:47 AM)CRM114 Wrote:  
(09-25-2021 07:43 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Even when the B-12 tells us an OCS is an essential criteria, you say no, SMH. The B-12 wants to see a financial commitment to the athletics program - we can't show that paying rent in a mislocated 56 year old municipal stadium that is too large for our fan base to be motivated to buy season tickets. Further the B-12 see the LBS as a tired, old stadium - and they know, one of their teams comes here every year. Down the road, if attendance against B-12 opponents picks up, the OCS can expanded because the demand for seats will pay for it. But we will likely never get that chance because the B-12 has told us we need an OCS to be invited. Every school in the B-12 plays in an OCS. Every school invited from the AAC has an OCS. USF got the message, announced an OCS & already has a $50M commitment from private sources to kickoff their fund raising campaign. What more evidence do you need?

I just don't buy the "commitment" argument - at least not the notion that we have to drop $150-200M on a new stadium to get admitted to a new conference. As far as I can tell, BYU has not done anything to their stadium in the past 40 years beyond what has been done to LBMS. UCF's stadium is 14 years old and cheaply built, no sign of any big commitment there. Meanwhile, Colorado State built a very nice $226M stadium and is barely mentioned as a P5 target. New stadiums built in the last decade at Tulane, North Texas or FAU have not catapulted those schools into contention for anything.

If in fact the B12 is demanding a new stadium for Memphis to get in, then they have an extremely inflated opinion of themselves. Do they think they're the NFL? Maybe professional sports leagues can pull that off - and it's usually the owners who demand new arenas, not the league. But there's no way a B12 invite is worth a $150-200M price tag. For a conference whose "power" status is on life support to make that kind of a demand is laughable, and I wouldn't blame our administration for telling them where they could stick it. Taking on that kind of financial obligation to get into a conference which may be no better than the current AAC in a few years, and would probably have to invite us anyway under those circumstances, doesn't make much sense.

Jeez man. Like them or not, BYU is a national brand. Other than Notre Dame, they were, by far, the most appealing program available. And ND isn’t going to the Big12.

We play in a tired 56 year old stadium. Sometimes you have to build a new facility. We moved out of the MSC.

No matter if we ever get an invite to the Big12, we’ll have a new stadium. One where students that live on or near campus can walk to. One that bring alumni back on campus. I haven’t stepped foot on campus since I graduated. And that was a long time ago. There has been absolutely no reason for me to do so. I’d bet others have similar stories.

Much of the cost of building will go back into the community. While I’m sure some will go to national contractors, they’ll still source products locally and hire workers.

It will draw better recruits, which in turn should produce good teams. How we’ve done so well with so little is just amazing. The best example is USF and UCF. One program was a BCS team, the other small time. One school invests heavily, one doesn’t. One school was invited into the Big12, the other finally announced they are building an OCS. USF sat idly while their competitor had a vision….. Build the OCS!
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(09-25-2021 11:36 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(09-25-2021 09:54 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  South Alabama had a vision. It doesn’t appear to have had anything to do with Big12 admittance.

Get On Campus

The University launched a fundraising campaign in August with the goal of building an on-campus football stadium by 2020. The campaign, called Get On Campus, is part of a comprehensive effort to fund the new stadium.

“Our students, fans, alumni and visiting fans deserve to be on our beautiful campus to enjoy a traditional college football game day,” said Joel Erdmann, the University’s athletic director.

The state-of-the-art stadium will provide students, alumni and the Mobile community with an unrivaled fan experience at Jaguar football games and will significantly elevate the University’s growing national profile in athletics, academics and student life. The future stadium will be located adjacent to the Jaguars’ football field house and newly opened Jaguar Training Center.

The University has committed that the stadium will not be paid for with tuition dollars from students.

“We are committed to having an on-campus football stadium at South, and we are committed to doing everything within our power to have that stadium open for the 2020 football season,” said President Tony Waldrop. “We also are committed to not using our students’ tuition dollars to build a stadium.”

Fundraising efforts for the stadium will be ongoing. The Get On Campus campaign will be evaluated continuously, and the campaign’s progress will determine how quickly the University can move ahead to the next phases of construction.

“Now is the time to give all of our alumni, fans and supporters the opportunity to get involved in the Get On Campus campaign, which provides opportunities for everyone, at all levels of support, to help make our on-campus stadium a reality,” said Waldrop.

https://www.southalabama.edu/departments...ampus.html

I’m guessing the end result was close to the planned result.

[Image: BC704-B37-4167-4584-B20-C-69-E62-B557-AAD.jpg]

Yeah they got out of that shitehole ladd peebles. The Univ could do it if they had the balls to tell the city to frick off and would quit pissing off alums.

I went to the last game we played down there and was surprised. I did not find it to be a shithole as many have described. Beer was priced right too.
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(09-25-2021 12:52 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(09-25-2021 11:36 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(09-25-2021 09:54 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  South Alabama had a vision. It doesn’t appear to have had anything to do with Big12 admittance.

Get On Campus

The University launched a fundraising campaign in August with the goal of building an on-campus football stadium by 2020. The campaign, called Get On Campus, is part of a comprehensive effort to fund the new stadium.

“Our students, fans, alumni and visiting fans deserve to be on our beautiful campus to enjoy a traditional college football game day,” said Joel Erdmann, the University’s athletic director.

The state-of-the-art stadium will provide students, alumni and the Mobile community with an unrivaled fan experience at Jaguar football games and will significantly elevate the University’s growing national profile in athletics, academics and student life. The future stadium will be located adjacent to the Jaguars’ football field house and newly opened Jaguar Training Center.

The University has committed that the stadium will not be paid for with tuition dollars from students.

“We are committed to having an on-campus football stadium at South, and we are committed to doing everything within our power to have that stadium open for the 2020 football season,” said President Tony Waldrop. “We also are committed to not using our students’ tuition dollars to build a stadium.”

Fundraising efforts for the stadium will be ongoing. The Get On Campus campaign will be evaluated continuously, and the campaign’s progress will determine how quickly the University can move ahead to the next phases of construction.

“Now is the time to give all of our alumni, fans and supporters the opportunity to get involved in the Get On Campus campaign, which provides opportunities for everyone, at all levels of support, to help make our on-campus stadium a reality,” said Waldrop.

https://www.southalabama.edu/departments...ampus.html

I’m guessing the end result was close to the planned result.

[Image: BC704-B37-4167-4584-B20-C-69-E62-B557-AAD.jpg]

Yeah they got out of that shitehole ladd peebles. The Univ could do it if they had the balls to tell the city to frick off and would quit pissing off alums.

I went to the last game we played down there and was surprised. I did not find it to be a shithole as many have described. Beer was priced right too.

I bet you went heavy, esp at night

03-lmfao
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Okay so what was the reason then if it this was the reason it wasn't?
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(09-24-2021 11:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  #2 on everyone's list only behind cindy.

I stated multiple times why we were not #2 on everybody's list only behind Cindy--and was demonized for it. I suggested BEFORE the 4 were chosen why we probably would be left out. Funny thing though- when we were left out --a week after I suggested the reason why we would be left out--Geoff Calkins suggested the same reason why we were left out

MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM is not the reason why we were not picked and will have no bearing one way or the other the next go round

A lack of O.C.S. is not the reason we were not chosen last time and will have no bearing one way or the other the next go round

I will say this if we do choose to build O.C.S. --it should not be a Mickey Mouse small stadium ala 40k. It better be 55k plus--because if we do get in a power 5 we will need the seats----people suggesting 40/45k are just plain wrong----why does MEMPHIS always sell itself short----and why should we ever make it hard for our fans to get tickets to the games----MORE SEATS MEANS MORE FANS AT GAMES

If the BIG12 add 2 more --I think we MIGHT/MAY have a shot----don't limit the number of fans that can go to the games

Calkins suggested the reason after reading my in depth tweets on said reason which were quite reasonable all these given.

Build a stadium is fine and all. Conferences will just move the goal post again and again until the reason isn't a reason anymore....
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(09-25-2021 01:09 PM)HiTiger Wrote:  Okay so what was the reason then if it this was the reason it wasn't?

At least one member here thinks it’s a racial conspiracy.

Edit: more than one
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Building an on campus stadium is an investment. What's the con? Finding a place to build the stadium and the cost of building it. What's the pro? Playing teams like Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State in Memphis on a consistent basis. It also gives Memphis enough money to where we don't have to play a home and home with UTSA, North Texas, UL-Monroe, etc. We can now do a 2-for-1 for a simply "pay to play" game for those schools.

Renovating the Liberty Bowl is as simple as putting something nice on a F-150 that has 250,000 miles on it. It's great, but the truck still has over 250,000 miles. It's going to quit and die eventually. UAB's new stadium may not be "on campus" but it's in downtown Birmingham and it's in a safer neighborhood. USA's new stadium is on campus. Both Legion Field and Ladd Pebbles are trash stadiums. Administration for those institutions have no choice. Building a new stadium is a necessity, it's not a want. Our players (present and past) has earned the right for a new stadium).
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People that are wanting a smaller stadium to eliminate the walk-up sales are screwing the average TIGER fan. There are many fans that just cant afford season tickets ---but always attend a game or two buying tickets at the gate

At the MISTAKE games last week there was a steady stream of people buying tickets at the stadium

Make it a 80K seats not 45k----dang guys make it easier to attend not harder

Don't price out half our fan base by requiring them to buy season tickets

The city has always been a walkup town
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