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(01-03-2022 06:26 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Create a back loaded contract that creates equity over the life. Track the timeline of inclusion into the B12.

Excluding OK and TX, OSU is top at $6m, TCU was about that before Patterson bite the dust. Others are $4m area. BYU is low at $2 million.

Pay Fick $4-4.5 next year.

Look until we get B12 full money the bucks just are not available.

OSU could afford Gundy $6 but they got all that T Boone Pickens money.

Bolded, my guess is this will be the course of action for UC. And if we're to believe that Fickell is pleased with his situation, getting him some parity with current Big 12 coaches should make a strong statement.

I know we continue to discuss the difference the Big 12 money will make for UC but it's curious to see those contract figures from current conference members already cashing $20-25 million checks annually from media rights. UC isn't in a position financially to go to Fickell (or Saban if he wanted our job) with an open checkbook.

The reality is we don't have the revenue streams others can tap. We don't have an 80,000+ seat stadium; our tickets are priced below market value for P5, and we've never sold out the entire six or seven game season. The revenue just hasn't been there to pay the crazy money that's being offered by a handful of super elite programs right now. I don't consider Michigan State a "super elite" but their coach's renewal was outrageous, especially for a second year guy who hasn't come close to even winning his division to participate in a CCG. Then again, their football budget, between big stadium ticket sales and the B10 media deal, is multiples of ours.

Bottom line: it appears Fickell wants to be here and UC should make a good faith effort to sweeten his deal. It will be considerably more than the current contract specifies, but it won't be $7-8 million.

(01-04-2022 09:10 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 06:26 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Create a back loaded contract that creates equity over the life. Track the timeline of inclusion into the B12.

Excluding OK and TX, OSU is top at $6m, TCU was about that before Patterson bite the dust. Others are $4m area. BYU is low at $2 million.

Pay Fick $4-4.5 next year.

Look until we get B12 full money the bucks just are not available.

OSU could afford Gundy $6 but they got all that T Boone Pickens money.

Bolded, my guess is this will be the course of action for UC. And if we're to believe that Fickell is pleased with his situation, getting him some parity with current Big 12 coaches should make a strong statement.

I know we continue to discuss the difference the Big 12 money will make for UC but it's curious to see those contract figures from current conference members already cashing $20-25 million checks annually from media rights. UC isn't in a position financially to go to Fickell (or Saban if he wanted our job) with an open checkbook.

The reality is we don't have the revenue streams others can tap. We don't have an 80,000+ seat stadium; our tickets are priced below market value for P5, and we've never sold out the entire six or seven game season. The revenue just hasn't been there to pay the crazy money that's being offered by a handful of super elite programs right now. I don't consider Michigan State a "super elite" but their coach's renewal was outrageous, especially for a second year guy who hasn't come close to even winning his division to participate in a CCG. Then again, their football budget, between big stadium ticket sales and the B10 media deal, is multiples of ours.

Bottom line: it appears Fickell wants to be here and UC should make a good faith effort to sweeten his deal. It will be considerably more than the current contract specifies, but it won't be $7-8 million.

You want to be big time or not? Here's our chance. Don't F it up to save a few millions.

(01-04-2022 11:10 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 09:10 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 06:26 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Create a back loaded contract that creates equity over the life. Track the timeline of inclusion into the B12.

Excluding OK and TX, OSU is top at $6m, TCU was about that before Patterson bite the dust. Others are $4m area. BYU is low at $2 million.

Pay Fick $4-4.5 next year.

Look until we get B12 full money the bucks just are not available.

OSU could afford Gundy $6 but they got all that T Boone Pickens money.

Bolded, my guess is this will be the course of action for UC. And if we're to believe that Fickell is pleased with his situation, getting him some parity with current Big 12 coaches should make a strong statement.

I know we continue to discuss the difference the Big 12 money will make for UC but it's curious to see those contract figures from current conference members already cashing $20-25 million checks annually from media rights. UC isn't in a position financially to go to Fickell (or Saban if he wanted our job) with an open checkbook.

The reality is we don't have the revenue streams others can tap. We don't have an 80,000+ seat stadium; our tickets are priced below market value for P5, and we've never sold out the entire six or seven game season. The revenue just hasn't been there to pay the crazy money that's being offered by a handful of super elite programs right now. I don't consider Michigan State a "super elite" but their coach's renewal was outrageous, especially for a second year guy who hasn't come close to even winning his division to participate in a CCG. Then again, their football budget, between big stadium ticket sales and the B10 media deal, is multiples of ours.

Bottom line: it appears Fickell wants to be here and UC should make a good faith effort to sweeten his deal. It will be considerably more than the current contract specifies, but it won't be $7-8 million.

You want to be big time or not? Here's our chance. Don't F it up to save a few millions.

It is easy to spend others money, look at DC and our massive debt. How much are you going to pony up?

I've always said we should give him the Huggins contract. Rolling 5 year contract with an average value of a Top 15 coaching contract that recalculates every year with a continuous and automatic 1-year extension on January 10th of every year. Make it fully guaranteed and require three years of the contract to be paid back in a buyout.

(01-04-2022 11:15 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 11:10 AM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 09:10 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-03-2022 06:26 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Create a back loaded contract that creates equity over the life. Track the timeline of inclusion into the B12.

Excluding OK and TX, OSU is top at $6m, TCU was about that before Patterson bite the dust. Others are $4m area. BYU is low at $2 million.

Pay Fick $4-4.5 next year.

Look until we get B12 full money the bucks just are not available.

OSU could afford Gundy $6 but they got all that T Boone Pickens money.

Bolded, my guess is this will be the course of action for UC. And if we're to believe that Fickell is pleased with his situation, getting him some parity with current Big 12 coaches should make a strong statement.

I know we continue to discuss the difference the Big 12 money will make for UC but it's curious to see those contract figures from current conference members already cashing $20-25 million checks annually from media rights. UC isn't in a position financially to go to Fickell (or Saban if he wanted our job) with an open checkbook.

The reality is we don't have the revenue streams others can tap. We don't have an 80,000+ seat stadium; our tickets are priced below market value for P5, and we've never sold out the entire six or seven game season. The revenue just hasn't been there to pay the crazy money that's being offered by a handful of super elite programs right now. I don't consider Michigan State a "super elite" but their coach's renewal was outrageous, especially for a second year guy who hasn't come close to even winning his division to participate in a CCG. Then again, their football budget, between big stadium ticket sales and the B10 media deal, is multiples of ours.

Bottom line: it appears Fickell wants to be here and UC should make a good faith effort to sweeten his deal. It will be considerably more than the current contract specifies, but it won't be $7-8 million.

You want to be big time or not? Here's our chance. Don't F it up to save a few millions.

It is easy to spend others money, look at DC and our massive debt. How much are you going to pony up?

Nothing short of $7M IMO

As much as he wants.

Lol, BMan what in the hell is in your sig!?

Quote:Look until we get B12 full money the bucks just are not available.

This is not true at all. UC is a billion dollar company. Their top salesman just had a record year and they need to compensate him appropriately before another company steals him. Its just a matter of priorities.

UC should bump Fickel to $6M (plus a big bump for assistants) immediately to make him the highest paid coach in the new Big12 even if they have to defer a portion of that to later years. Stop playing this game of trying to keep him around for as little as possible.

(01-04-2022 02:38 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:  This is not true at all. UC is a billion dollar company. Their top salesman just had a record year and they need to compensate him appropriately before another company steals him. Its just a matter of priorities.

UC should bump Fickel to $6M (plus a big bump for assistants) immediately to make him the highest paid coach in the new Big12 even if they have to defer a portion of that to later years. Stop playing this game of trying to keep him around for as little as possible.

The fact that they greenlighted the indoor facility as quickly as they did tells me they're committed to a new way of business. Old way would have been to drag it out to bring in as many outside donations as possible. I'm sure they'll handle Fickell the same way. His contract is important but he's more motivated about the foundational improvements in the program than his money. I do think bumping him to $6-$7 is important for perception reasons though.

FWIW I don't think they've ever tried to keep him around for as little as possible. He's the #2 paid G5 coach and is in year 5. The only guy higher than him was an established coach hired away from the P5. I have no concerns that UC is going to do what it takes to keep Fickell happy.

UC cannot afford NOT to give Fick a substantial ($1-$2mil) boost. When the next round of big name schools jettisoning their coaches begins, Fick will again be the bullseye and he needs to know UC appreciates him.l

Even if it may not be coach's main concern we must pay the man what he deserves (min 7 mil average would be great) and provide any and all requests within a short time table:
1) Raise Assistant salary pool
2) Lock Rooms
3) Indoor Practice Facility
4) Other request we are unaware about - I'm wondering if any further funds could aid recruiting outside 24/7 access to private jet since we don't appear to have that money or donor yet
5) Start renderings on 45-55k stadium capacity - Last expansion was a bit late although it work out. If that many will travel to Dallas, there is no reason we shouldn't sell out all next year.

(01-04-2022 02:57 PM)chatcat Wrote:  UC cannot afford NOT to give Fick a substantial ($1-$2mil) boost. When the next round of big name schools jettisoning their coaches begins, Fick will again be the bullseye and he needs to know UC appreciates him.l

Not enough. Need to double.

(01-04-2022 05:08 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 02:57 PM)chatcat Wrote:  UC cannot afford NOT to give Fick a substantial ($1-$2mil) boost. When the next round of big name schools jettisoning their coaches begins, Fick will again be the bullseye and he needs to know UC appreciates him.l

Not enough. Need to double.

I don't disagree that he needs to be in the 6-7mil range, but even doing so will not guarantee that he is not poached away by a blue blood type program. No coach is truly safe anymore.

(01-04-2022 05:10 PM)Banter Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 05:08 PM)bcat1997 Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 02:57 PM)chatcat Wrote:  UC cannot afford NOT to give Fick a substantial ($1-$2mil) boost. When the next round of big name schools jettisoning their coaches begins, Fick will again be the bullseye and he needs to know UC appreciates him.l

Not enough. Need to double.

I don't disagree that he needs to be in the 6-7mil range, but even doing so will not guarantee that he is not poached away by a blue blood type program. No coach is truly safe anymore.

Of course not, but he has just pledged undying love to Cincinnati. You cannot reward him with chump change or you risk the relationship. Great coaches wanting to stay at smaller schools does not happen often. Do not take any chances on screwing this up.

(01-04-2022 04:42 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Even if it may not be coach's main concern we must pay the man what he deserves (min 7 mil average would be great) and provide any and all requests within a short time table:
1) Raise Assistant salary pool
2) Lock Rooms
3) Indoor Practice Facility
4) Other request we are unaware about - I'm wondering if any further funds could aid recruiting outside 24/7 access to private jet since we don't appear to have that money or donor yet
5) Start renderings on 45-55k stadium capacity - Last expansion was a bit late although it work out. If that many will travel to Dallas, there is no reason we shouldn't sell out all next year.

No reason to increase capacity as the ROI just isn't there.

What's interesting is a lot of you think Fick is motivated completely by money. I don't think he is. He is smart and calculating and he knows he can have this UC job for life if he wants it. That means he's making bank for the next 10,15 years or however long he wants to coach UC. He also knows he is making a ton of money, and it's more than he needs to live his life. I don't see CLF being a guy dropping $500K a year on Cars or an $8mm home or spending 6 figures on clothing and jewelry every year.

Right now, he wants to build the program as best as he can. He knows UC is in the Big XII in a couple of years, and when that happens, UC will be bringing in more money to give him and his assistants raises. Even after the BIg XII TV renews in a few years, it should still be worth at least $17mm per school, which is $10mm more than what UC is getting now in the AAC. And UC will make more than that from the existing BIg XII TV deal when they likely move in 2023. (Deal expires after the 2025 season.) Not to mention, UC will be raising ticket prices again when they enter the Big XII. I still think the prices are a bargain and they have the ability to generate a few million more $'s just from ticket sales.

Money doesn't matter. If UC is paying him $8mm a year and his dream job opens up-- he is gone.

CLF will get his money, but he values winning more than money. Making an extra million a year doesn't change his life-- but if a million allocated to other coaches, or adding assistants or for recruiting or facilities----- if that increases his chance of winning-- he's all for it.

Fick doesn't have a massive ego-- that's what it comes down to some people on contracts. They have to be paid the most and they tie their self worth to how much they are getting paid. I'm guessing CLF doesn't have a small Fick complex either and feels the need to overcompensate.

Fick knows UC loves him. Fick knows that UC will do whatever he asks. He also knows more money is coming in soon with the Big XII move. More winning also means more money from donors.

CLF will get his money. My guess is right now UC is negotiating with the AAC to leave after this upcoming season. After they figure out how much they owe, and if they can spread the money out in installments--- they will then work on CLF's new contract extension. UConn had to drop $17mm to leave the AAC early. IDK if Aresco will play hardball, but UC needs to figure out what their buyout from the AAC is first-- before working on CLF's deal. $17mm is alot of money-- and it could be more than that.

At Fick's level, salary is just another way of keeping score.

(01-04-2022 06:05 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 04:42 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Even if it may not be coach's main concern we must pay the man what he deserves (min 7 mil average would be great) and provide any and all requests within a short time table:
1) Raise Assistant salary pool
2) Lock Rooms
3) Indoor Practice Facility
4) Other request we are unaware about - I'm wondering if any further funds could aid recruiting outside 24/7 access to private jet since we don't appear to have that money or donor yet
5) Start renderings on 45-55k stadium capacity - Last expansion was a bit late although it work out. If that many will travel to Dallas, there is no reason we shouldn't sell out all next year.

No reason to increase capacity as the ROI just isn't there.

Agree if ROI isn’t there but Cunningham has mentioned it a few times and I’ve read more than one article stating they will look at it in the upcoming future.

If that’s the case get the renderings ready ASAP and then work the numbers and feasibility with the constraints of the surrounding buildings. Either way people will need to be ready to shell out more $ really soon for ticks. Best bang for your buck live sports entertainment for a long time.

Regardless, I agree with many that UC is in an extremely unique situation and need to take full advantage of the opportunities we have right now whether winning, coach, or Big 12 invite.

Most recent article: https://sports.yahoo.com/sporticast-cinc...11916.html

(01-04-2022 06:41 PM)ladeda Wrote:  What's interesting is a lot of you think Fick is motivated completely by money. I don't think he is. He is smart and calculating and he knows he can have this UC job for life if he wants it. That means he's making bank for the next 10,15 years or however long he wants to coach UC. He also knows he is making a ton of money, and it's more than he needs to live his life. I don't see CLF being a guy dropping $500K a year on Cars or an $8mm home or spending 6 figures on clothing and jewelry every year.

Right now, he wants to build the program as best as he can. He knows UC is in the Big XII in a couple of years, and when that happens, UC will be bringing in more money to give him and his assistants raises. Even after the BIg XII TV renews in a few years, it should still be worth at least $17mm per school, which is $10mm more than what UC is getting now in the AAC. And UC will make more than that from the existing BIg XII TV deal when they likely move in 2023. (Deal expires after the 2025 season.) Not to mention, UC will be raising ticket prices again when they enter the Big XII. I still think the prices are a bargain and they have the ability to generate a few million more $'s just from ticket sales.

Money doesn't matter. If UC is paying him $8mm a year and his dream job opens up-- he is gone.

CLF will get his money, but he values winning more than money. Making an extra million a year doesn't change his life-- but if a million allocated to other coaches, or adding assistants or for recruiting or facilities----- if that increases his chance of winning-- he's all for it.

Fick doesn't have a massive ego-- that's what it comes down to some people on contracts. They have to be paid the most and they tie their self worth to how much they are getting paid. I'm guessing CLF doesn't have a small Fick complex either and feels the need to overcompensate.

Fick knows UC loves him. Fick knows that UC will do whatever he asks. He also knows more money is coming in soon with the Big XII move. More winning also means more money from donors.

CLF will get his money. My guess is right now UC is negotiating with the AAC to leave after this upcoming season. After they figure out how much they owe, and if they can spread the money out in installments--- they will then work on CLF's new contract extension. UConn had to drop $17mm to leave the AAC early. IDK if Aresco will play hardball, but UC needs to figure out what their buyout from the AAC is first-- before working on CLF's deal. $17mm is alot of money-- and it could be more than that.

This is a well thought take on this matter and it squares with my sense of the situation.

Unlike the Federal Government, UC cannot spend with reckless abandon on unfunded wish lists. Nor can UC's more than $1 billion endowment legally be used like a passbook account to withdraw a few million dollars here or there by edict for coaching salaries.

What UC can do, and I expect Cunningham is doing this, is continue a dialogue with Fickell about what our coach wants for our program, for his assistant coaches and for himself and respond with what UC realistically can do. That "can do" will likely include estimations of anticipated Big XII revenue streams in 2023 or after.

There are never any guarantees in this regard, but recent history suggests Cunningham and Fickell have a simpatico relationship and this will get done.

(01-04-2022 07:22 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 06:05 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(01-04-2022 04:42 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Even if it may not be coach's main concern we must pay the man what he deserves (min 7 mil average would be great) and provide any and all requests within a short time table:
1) Raise Assistant salary pool
2) Lock Rooms
3) Indoor Practice Facility
4) Other request we are unaware about - I'm wondering if any further funds could aid recruiting outside 24/7 access to private jet since we don't appear to have that money or donor yet
5) Start renderings on 45-55k stadium capacity - Last expansion was a bit late although it work out. If that many will travel to Dallas, there is no reason we shouldn't sell out all next year.

No reason to increase capacity as the ROI just isn't there.

Agree if ROI isn’t there but Cunningham has mentioned it a few times and I’ve read more than one article stating they will look at it in the upcoming future.

If that’s the case get the renderings ready ASAP and then work the numbers and feasibility with the constraints of the surrounding buildings. Either way people will need to be ready to shell out more $ really soon for ticks. Best bang for your buck live sports entertainment for a long time.

Regardless, I agree with many that UC is in an extremely unique situation and need to take full advantage of the opportunities we have right now whether winning, coach, or Big 12 invite.

Most recent article: https://sports.yahoo.com/sporticast-cinc...11916.html

Interesting point in that article: the difference in football ticket revenue between UC and Michigan/Alabama/Georgia is far greater than the difference in media revenue.

Michigan/Alabama/Georgia had $50/$36.9/$36.3 million in football ticket revenue, while UC only had $4.1 million.

That won't change too much when UC goes to the Big 12.