(09-23-2021 09:12 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:05 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:59 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:58 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:54 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  “The Sun Belt has its eyes on additions as well, and Conference USA could see more movement, too. Many leaders across the Group of 5 continue to express a desire to simply redraw the G5 conference maps and create regional conferences for the sake of rivalries and travel costs, believing the difference in television money isn’t all that impactful. But those with a seat at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t.

There may be many Group of 5 realignment moves to come, and it could happen quickly.“

I found this interesting. Those at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t. Sounds like Sun Belt could care less about redrawing the map. Maybe WAC and ASUN could help them do that.

I would say that has more to do with the AAC not wanting to be included in the re-drawing of the G5 map. And then I'm sure there are a few schools who know they don't deserve to be where they are so they are afraid of change.

Time to suck it up buttercups. It's time for Marshall and App to push for re-drawing the maps based on region and rivalries. A combination of CUSA East and SB East would compete with the MWC as the best G5 and then when Boise leaves we would be the best G5.

Yes because App and Marshall are the only ones with the power to make such changes

If you don't think Marshall and App can push this then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Ga So and Coastal will follow App.

WKU/ODU/FAU/Charlotte will follow Marshall.

That alone gives you

Marshall
App
Ga So
Coastal
WKU
ODU
FAU
Charlotte

At that point, other teams in the region will want to join such as:

Ga St/FIU/MTSU/JMU/FIU/Liberty

I'm not sure where Troy/Ark St/So Miss/Louisiana/La Tech/USA etc see themselves as they could all go east or west.

Either way, Marshall and App can definitely make this happen. I just hope our leaders are meeting while we go to Boone and play today.

No teams will leave the Sun Belt to join Judy's **** show of a conference.

I never said they would and don't blame them...I'm talking about a brand new regional conference.

(09-23-2021 09:12 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:05 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:59 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:58 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:54 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  “The Sun Belt has its eyes on additions as well, and Conference USA could see more movement, too. Many leaders across the Group of 5 continue to express a desire to simply redraw the G5 conference maps and create regional conferences for the sake of rivalries and travel costs, believing the difference in television money isn’t all that impactful. But those with a seat at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t.

There may be many Group of 5 realignment moves to come, and it could happen quickly.“

I found this interesting. Those at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t. Sounds like Sun Belt could care less about redrawing the map. Maybe WAC and ASUN could help them do that.

I would say that has more to do with the AAC not wanting to be included in the re-drawing of the G5 map. And then I'm sure there are a few schools who know they don't deserve to be where they are so they are afraid of change.

Time to suck it up buttercups. It's time for Marshall and App to push for re-drawing the maps based on region and rivalries. A combination of CUSA East and SB East would compete with the MWC as the best G5 and then when Boise leaves we would be the best G5.

Yes because App and Marshall are the only ones with the power to make such changes

If you don't think Marshall and App can push this then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Ga So and Coastal will follow App.

WKU/ODU/FAU/Charlotte will follow Marshall.

That alone gives you

Marshall
App
Ga So
Coastal
WKU
ODU
FAU
Charlotte

At that point, other teams in the region will want to join such as:

Ga St/FIU/MTSU/JMU/FIU/Liberty

I'm not sure where Troy/Ark St/So Miss/Louisiana/La Tech/USA etc see themselves as they could all go east or west.

Either way, Marshall and App can definitely make this happen. I just hope our leaders are meeting while we go to Boone and play today.

Here’s the deal. The SBC East + FAU, Marshall, and WKU would be solid. FIU, ODU, CLT, and MTSU offer nothing from a football perspective. So if we add those 3 + USM we are good as gold in my opinion

While I agree...that's less likely than just forming a new conference.

(09-23-2021 09:19 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:12 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:05 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:59 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:58 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I would say that has more to do with the AAC not wanting to be included in the re-drawing of the G5 map. And then I'm sure there are a few schools who know they don't deserve to be where they are so they are afraid of change.

Time to suck it up buttercups. It's time for Marshall and App to push for re-drawing the maps based on region and rivalries. A combination of CUSA East and SB East would compete with the MWC as the best G5 and then when Boise leaves we would be the best G5.

Yes because App and Marshall are the only ones with the power to make such changes

If you don't think Marshall and App can push this then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Ga So and Coastal will follow App.

WKU/ODU/FAU/Charlotte will follow Marshall.

That alone gives you

Marshall
App
Ga So
Coastal
WKU
ODU
FAU
Charlotte

At that point, other teams in the region will want to join such as:

Ga St/FIU/MTSU/JMU/FIU/Liberty

I'm not sure where Troy/Ark St/So Miss/Louisiana/La Tech/USA etc see themselves as they could all go east or west.

Either way, Marshall and App can definitely make this happen. I just hope our leaders are meeting while we go to Boone and play today.

Here’s the deal. The SBC East + FAU, Marshall, and WKU would be solid. FIU, ODU, CLT, and MTSU offer nothing from a football perspective. So if we add those 3 + USM we are good as gold in my opinion

While I agree...that's less likely than just forming a new conference.

Maybe. I don’t think WKU is super unrealistic. FAU might be.

(09-23-2021 09:07 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Somebody get this herdfan129 out of here. Tired of seeing him post the same Marshall and APP have the power crap. The Belt isn't breaking apart. We are adding to compete for the 6th spot.

You can kick, scream, cry, sling snot, I don't care....from the article posted above.....

Quote:Many leaders across the Group of 5 continue to express a desire to simply redraw the G5 conference maps and create regional conferences for the sake of rivalries and travel costs, believing the difference in television money isn’t all that impactful.

This isn't just me saying this, but actual leaders. You better accept this as a potential reality and you best believe if there are two schools who can make this happen then it's Marshall and App....you don't have to like it, but it's the truth.

(09-23-2021 09:00 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:57 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  The fact is that IF the playoff goes to 12, the 6 highest rated conference champions get an Autobid to the playoffs. If the Sun Belt can make the right adds, while the AAC goes after markets, we could be competing with the MWC year in and year out for that spot in the playoff.

If we reorganize regionally and make the wrong moves for exposure, which harms branding and recruiting, we lose.

It's risky business.

The only risk for reorganizing is for those in the West because the best programs are in the East. Those of us in the East should hold our ground and really push this.

That's creature of the moment thinking. There are plenty of teams in the western half of the SBC and CUSA who have been dominant in football in their respective conferences in very recent history. The danger of thinking in terms of the last few years in any league is the shifting that occurs when coaches or recruiting classes are gone. Any programs that have strong regional support, solid facilities and can recruit are programs worth admitting. Arkansas State, UL, Troy, UNT, USM... all of these programs have had great runs in the last 10-15 years. there are plenty of programs in the west and east who have not had much success in that same span as well. It's cyclical.

(09-23-2021 09:05 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:59 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:58 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:54 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  “The Sun Belt has its eyes on additions as well, and Conference USA could see more movement, too. Many leaders across the Group of 5 continue to express a desire to simply redraw the G5 conference maps and create regional conferences for the sake of rivalries and travel costs, believing the difference in television money isn’t all that impactful. But those with a seat at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t.

There may be many Group of 5 realignment moves to come, and it could happen quickly.“

I found this interesting. Those at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t. Sounds like Sun Belt could care less about redrawing the map. Maybe WAC and ASUN could help them do that.

I would say that has more to do with the AAC not wanting to be included in the re-drawing of the G5 map. And then I'm sure there are a few schools who know they don't deserve to be where they are so they are afraid of change.

Time to suck it up buttercups. It's time for Marshall and App to push for re-drawing the maps based on region and rivalries. A combination of CUSA East and SB East would compete with the MWC as the best G5 and then when Boise leaves we would be the best G5.

Yes because App and Marshall are the only ones with the power to make such changes

If you don't think Marshall and App can push this then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Ga So and Coastal will follow App.

WKU/ODU/FAU/Charlotte will follow Marshall.

That alone gives you

Marshall
App
Ga So
Coastal
WKU
ODU
FAU
Charlotte

At that point, other teams in the region will want to join such as:

Ga St/FIU/MTSU/JMU/FIU/Liberty

I'm not sure where Troy/Ark St/So Miss/Louisiana/La Tech/USA etc see themselves as they could all go east or west.

Either way, Marshall and App can definitely make this happen. I just hope our leaders are meeting while we go to Boone and play today.

You do realize that you can't just forum a new conference because 7 teams from a hodge podge of different leagues want to play together right? Not in the CFB Playoff era at least. You need to take over an existing leagues spot in the playoffs, which is where things get messy. Essentially, you have to force schools out of your conference, which require votes, and approval, and contracts. That means you need a majority of schools to come from an existing FBS Playoff league.

There's enough within just the CUSA East (if UAB was still around) but getting the votes is another story. If say UTEP found out about your plan, and knew there was no way an expanded Western side would invite them, are they really going to vote to add a bunch of SBC East schools so you guys can kick them out?

(09-23-2021 09:21 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:07 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Somebody get this herdfan129 out of here. Tired of seeing him post the same Marshall and APP have the power crap. The Belt isn't breaking apart. We are adding to compete for the 6th spot.

You can kick, scream, cry, sling snot, I don't care....from the article posted above.....

Quote:Many leaders across the Group of 5 continue to express a desire to simply redraw the G5 conference maps and create regional conferences for the sake of rivalries and travel costs, believing the difference in television money isn’t all that impactful.

This isn't just me saying this, but actual leaders. You better accept this as a potential reality and you best believe if there are two schools who can make this happen then it's Marshall and App....you don't have to like it, but it's the truth.

The many leaders it's talking about are CUSA leaders. We all know they have been crying for years. No Belt leader has made that comment. The Belt is already regional and will be even more regional with the right 2 adds. No incentive for any Belt team to leave for a new conference with no media deal or auto bid. Sorry but it's not happening whether you want it to or not. We wouldn't be adding 2 teams if it was even possible to happen. Now enjoy your time in a depleted CUSA 4.0.

(09-23-2021 09:21 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:07 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Somebody get this herdfan129 out of here. Tired of seeing him post the same Marshall and APP have the power crap. The Belt isn't breaking apart. We are adding to compete for the 6th spot.

You can kick, scream, cry, sling snot, I don't care....from the article posted above.....

Quote:Many leaders across the Group of 5 continue to express a desire to simply redraw the G5 conference maps and create regional conferences for the sake of rivalries and travel costs, believing the difference in television money isn’t all that impactful.

This isn't just me saying this, but actual leaders. You better accept this as a potential reality and you best believe if there are two schools who can make this happen then it's Marshall and App....you don't have to like it, but it's the truth.

We absolutely can kick and scream. You have to have the votes of an overwhelming majority of West schools to play along. If the SBC West refuses to play along because they don't want to play CUSA West teams, they absolutely can. And we don't have to because unlike the remnants of CUSA West in such a scenario, we control the Playoff spot and the SBC TV Deal. And to go beyond that, I'm 100 percent confident that App would rather a better organized Sun Belt with the SBC's TV deal, which means again, the SBC holds the power.

Geographic realignment means multiple CUSA West schools go independent.

(09-23-2021 09:31 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:05 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:59 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:58 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:54 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  “The Sun Belt has its eyes on additions as well, and Conference USA could see more movement, too. Many leaders across the Group of 5 continue to express a desire to simply redraw the G5 conference maps and create regional conferences for the sake of rivalries and travel costs, believing the difference in television money isn’t all that impactful. But those with a seat at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t.

There may be many Group of 5 realignment moves to come, and it could happen quickly.“

I found this interesting. Those at a more valuable table don’t have much interest in helping those that don’t. Sounds like Sun Belt could care less about redrawing the map. Maybe WAC and ASUN could help them do that.

I would say that has more to do with the AAC not wanting to be included in the re-drawing of the G5 map. And then I'm sure there are a few schools who know they don't deserve to be where they are so they are afraid of change.

Time to suck it up buttercups. It's time for Marshall and App to push for re-drawing the maps based on region and rivalries. A combination of CUSA East and SB East would compete with the MWC as the best G5 and then when Boise leaves we would be the best G5.

Yes because App and Marshall are the only ones with the power to make such changes

If you don't think Marshall and App can push this then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Ga So and Coastal will follow App.

WKU/ODU/FAU/Charlotte will follow Marshall.

That alone gives you

Marshall
App
Ga So
Coastal
WKU
ODU
FAU
Charlotte

At that point, other teams in the region will want to join such as:

Ga St/FIU/MTSU/JMU/FIU/Liberty

I'm not sure where Troy/Ark St/So Miss/Louisiana/La Tech/USA etc see themselves as they could all go east or west.

Either way, Marshall and App can definitely make this happen. I just hope our leaders are meeting while we go to Boone and play today.

You do realize that you can't just forum a new conference because 7 teams from a hodge podge of different leagues want to play together right? Not in the CFB Playoff era at least. You need to take over an existing leagues spot in the playoffs, which is where things get messy. Essentially, you have to force schools out of your conference, which require votes, and approval, and contracts. That means you need a majority of schools to come from an existing FBS Playoff league.

There's enough within just the CUSA East (if UAB was still around) but getting the votes is another story. If say UTEP found out about your plan, and knew there was no way an expanded Western side would invite them, are they really going to vote to add a bunch of SBC East schools so you guys can kick them out?

He has no clue how it works. He lives in a fantasy world. I don't see App giving up ESPN, an auto bid (which is the only reason they made the NCAA tournament last year) and lose out on CFB playoff. The CFB playoff only has a contract with the existing leagues and I doubt they would sign with a new league. The P5 would love a G5 split and new conferences. They could just leave them out of the playoff.

(09-23-2021 09:07 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Somebody get this herdfan129 out of here. Tired of seeing him post the same Marshall and APP have the power crap. The Belt isn't breaking apart. We are adding to compete for the 6th spot.

No. We're not playing that game. He's very much mistaken in his understanding of how this works, but he'll eventually see it, and get his mea culpa moment.

(09-23-2021 09:42 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:07 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Somebody get this herdfan129 out of here. Tired of seeing him post the same Marshall and APP have the power crap. The Belt isn't breaking apart. We are adding to compete for the 6th spot.

No. We're not playing that game. He's very much mistaken in his understanding of how this works, but he'll eventually see it, and get his mea culpa moment.

I know he hasn't done anything for a ban but he is annoying. Wish he would leave. Making me hate Marshall fans as a whole.

(09-23-2021 09:44 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:42 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:07 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  Somebody get this herdfan129 out of here. Tired of seeing him post the same Marshall and APP have the power crap. The Belt isn't breaking apart. We are adding to compete for the 6th spot.

No. We're not playing that game. He's very much mistaken in his understanding of how this works, but he'll eventually see it, and get his mea culpa moment.

I know he hasn't done anything for a ban but he is annoying. Wish he would leave. Making me hate Marshall fans as a whole.

We're not all like him. He's too dedicated to certain data points and a Marshall-centric view. We definitely have strengths, but any reasonable Marshall fan knows a perfect Marshall-centric conference isn't going to happen, and the fanbase is warming up very fast to a SunBelt move.

Sorry on our behalf!

(09-23-2021 09:38 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:31 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:05 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:59 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:58 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  I would say that has more to do with the AAC not wanting to be included in the re-drawing of the G5 map. And then I'm sure there are a few schools who know they don't deserve to be where they are so they are afraid of change.

Time to suck it up buttercups. It's time for Marshall and App to push for re-drawing the maps based on region and rivalries. A combination of CUSA East and SB East would compete with the MWC as the best G5 and then when Boise leaves we would be the best G5.

Yes because App and Marshall are the only ones with the power to make such changes

If you don't think Marshall and App can push this then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Ga So and Coastal will follow App.

WKU/ODU/FAU/Charlotte will follow Marshall.

That alone gives you

Marshall
App
Ga So
Coastal
WKU
ODU
FAU
Charlotte

At that point, other teams in the region will want to join such as:

Ga St/FIU/MTSU/JMU/FIU/Liberty

I'm not sure where Troy/Ark St/So Miss/Louisiana/La Tech/USA etc see themselves as they could all go east or west.

Either way, Marshall and App can definitely make this happen. I just hope our leaders are meeting while we go to Boone and play today.

You do realize that you can't just forum a new conference because 7 teams from a hodge podge of different leagues want to play together right? Not in the CFB Playoff era at least. You need to take over an existing leagues spot in the playoffs, which is where things get messy. Essentially, you have to force schools out of your conference, which require votes, and approval, and contracts. That means you need a majority of schools to come from an existing FBS Playoff league.

There's enough within just the CUSA East (if UAB was still around) but getting the votes is another story. If say UTEP found out about your plan, and knew there was no way an expanded Western side would invite them, are they really going to vote to add a bunch of SBC East schools so you guys can kick them out?

He has no clue how it works. He lives in a fantasy world. I don't see App giving up ESPN, an auto bid (which is the only reason they made the NCAA tournament last year) and lose out on CFB playoff. The CFB playoff only has a contract with the existing leagues and I doubt they would sign with a new league. The P5 would love a G5 split and new conferences. They could just leave them out of the playoff.

He's very much mistaken. People keep thinking we can just recreate the MWC airport meeting, without understanding that happened in a very different time period, before the CF Playoff existed, and before TV Contracts became major issues.

In Some fictional scenario the SBC East schools minus Troy wanted to leave, the SBC West schools can demand full exit fees from each of them, and then add whoever the hell they want. If they turn around and say, okay we want Southern Miss, Tech, Rice, and Missouri State, they get those 4 schools, and the rest of the CUSA West is left holding the rope. We can also say, hey NCAA, we're the real SBC, and still have our playoff spot.

If one Marshall fan can make you hate an entire fanbase then there is a problem. I suggest you go back and read what the majority of Marshall fans have been clamoring for on here. H*ll, I have been advocating for Marshall to the SuN Belt well before it was even a remote possibility.

(09-23-2021 09:51 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  If one Marshall fan can make you hate an entire fanbase then there is a problem. I suggest you go back and read what the majority of Marshall fans have been clamoring for on here. H*ll, I have been advocating for Marshall to the SuN Belt well before it was even a remote possibility.

Yeah, that's why I'm not going down that road. This is a very sore topic from some, and we're generally willing to accept that.

(09-23-2021 09:51 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  If one Marshall fan can make you hate an entire fanbase then there is a problem. I suggest you go back and read what the majority of Marshall fans have been clamoring for on here. H*ll, I have been advocating for Marshall to the SuN Belt well before it was even a remote possibility.

I've read enough from Marshall fans on yalls board and the CUSA board. Most hate the idea of the Belt. They see us as inferior.

Who knew a couple Marshall fans could be so annoying? Y'all aren't the almighty team you think you are.

(09-23-2021 09:55 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:51 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  If one Marshall fan can make you hate an entire fanbase then there is a problem. I suggest you go back and read what the majority of Marshall fans have been clamoring for on here. H*ll, I have been advocating for Marshall to the SuN Belt well before it was even a remote possibility.

I've read enough from Marshall fans on yalls board and the CUSA board. Most hate the idea of the Belt. They see us as inferior.

Any schools own fan board will take time to convince. We have people on our board who would get upset if we didn't consider CUSA over the SBC. Not many, but they are out there.

(09-23-2021 09:55 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 09:51 AM)HTOWN_HERD Wrote:  If one Marshall fan can make you hate an entire fanbase then there is a problem. I suggest you go back and read what the majority of Marshall fans have been clamoring for on here. H*ll, I have been advocating for Marshall to the SuN Belt well before it was even a remote possibility.

I've read enough from Marshall fans on yalls board and the CUSA board. Most hate the idea of the Belt. They see us as inferior.

Sorry you feel that way statefanatic. You have been very nice to me and I appreciate it. Not sure what Marshall board you are referring to, but that has not been my impression at all. Now the CUSA board? Yeah I could totally see that attitude there.

Eastern SBC schools appear to focus mainly on the east. Any additions must bring balance to the conference, both east and west must benefit. Ultimately, something has to be done to either find a new home for Texas State or bring in a Texas school that will allow Texas State to have an in-state rival. This is why it has to be a 4 school add if Texas State stays in the SBC. If Marshall is off the table for the SBC, and we retain App State, I can see FAU and ODU being the eastern adds, with USM and UTSA being the western adds. If Marshall remains on the table, then I can see Marshall, ODU, USM, and UTSA as the adds. If we are catching $1.3m in media money under the current configuration of the SBC, the adds have to bring enough value to keep that amount the same (which would be a win) or take that amount to $1.5m-$1.7m. We cannot dilute the value of the media deal. And at either of those amounts, all of the additions will be making way more in media money than they currently are making in CUSA, as well getting more exposure (regardless of what Marshall fans say).