I dont think he is physically tough enough to play quarterback. Seems like he is always hurt.

(09-24-2021 09:59 AM)Barney Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 09:04 AM)franklyconfused Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 08:52 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:09 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  JoVoni was working with the receivers this week; he volunteered to do so. I’m sure we need more bodies at the position given Pitre and Rozner haven’t played since Arkansas.

So let me get this straight. Our top QBs go down to injury last year so JoVoni has to go at Marshall. So we have to modify our scheme and reduce the playbook to the things JoVoni can do. So we produce by leaps and bounds the best game of the Bloomgren era, followed the next week by what was probably the second best, until JoVoni himself goes down. And the takeaway is that we revert to our previous scheme and move JoVoni to wide receiver?

This program under Bloom is in a perpetual state of assuming that the performance of Stanford from 2010-18 is inevitable if we keep doggedly running the same offense for reps so that when the right roster is in place, everybody is as well practiced as possible. Bloom apparently sees no point in considering JoVoni at QB if he's never going to run "The Offense" that will never change for as long as there are any other options.

Yes, but there has to be something else going on here between Bloom and JJ. I think it's pretty obvious that he's been removed for reasons other than his performance.

(09-24-2021 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Unfortunately, this is the only game of the season where "just winning" will not be enough. In fact, I don't think anything will calm the torch and pitchfork crowd (I am a pitchfork man).

I think we'll destroy TSU and Southern Mississippi. Neither have a chance. That's how bad they are.

(09-24-2021 11:45 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 11:12 AM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 10:52 AM)Buho00 Wrote:  Seen this movie before (re: QB's). The staff is always looking for the next (transfer) QB because the scheme doesn't work and apparently there is 0 development going on with the QB's who are recruited. Constantine looked decent vs UT's 3rd stringers so he's the hope now. This is not the scheme to have a mobile QB and there's no way they'll change it to make it more friendly to running QB's if they haven't by now. Unfortunately our two best QB's are dual-threat guys and one is now at WR despite numerous injuries to our other QB's. Have nothing against Constantine, he very well may be the best fit. But even a good fit in this offense is not good enough to win games unless the defense plays great for 4 quarters.

You're right. The cupboard isn't bare anymore. This staff has players that are talented, but it's all wasted in this putrid offense. After the last three seasons, I better not hear anyone ever complain about the Triple Option again. This West Coast crap is the worst offense I have ever witnessed as a Rice fan, and that goes all the way back to the early 80's. It makes The Mearkat look like the Run-N-Shoot. It's an absolutely dismal offense. There's no future in it.

Question 1. Does anyone in college football today run the West Coast effectively?
Question 2. What would it take to get the Mensa offense or the John Regan offense back at Rice? The Regan offense was very much a pound the rock and control the clock offense.

A new coach.

Taking a break from coach/AD/administration bashing for a moment, someone in the Sports Info group needs to contact ESPN and provide an updated photo of HRS. The photo currently appearing in ESPN’s Game Information section on the app is pre-Patterson Center. If we don’t want to be current, they might as well show a photo of a sold out or at least mostly full HRS from the 50s, 60s or even the early 70s vs UT, A&M or LSU.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled bashing.

The West Coast offense comes in several forms, none of which is a "pound the rock" scheme. The Bill Walsh version, perhaps the one most often described by that term, was a quick passing offense designed around horizontal and vertical stretching of the defense, to take advantage of what Virgil Carter could do when Walsh was OC of the Cincinnati Bengals and later developed further at Stanford and with the 49ers. The other and perhaps more proper use of the term would be the Sid Gillmam/Don Coryell/Norv Turner offense that featured more deep balls and speedier receivers. A simplified version became the BYU offense under LaVell Edwards, and was then simplified even more by Hal Mumme and the Pirate to become the Air Raid.

As far as I can tell, Stanford's "pound the rock" is a scheme not used by any other west coast teams and is therefore not properly called the West Coast offense. "Pound the rock" is at the other end of the offensive continuum from any form of the West Coast offense. It probably succeeded at Stanford in large part because it was so different from what anybody else out there was doing, and that contrarianism made it hard to stop. It is contrary to what anybody in CUSA is doing, too, but we just don't have the right athletes to make it work.

It is pretty much a given that you have to run the ball successfully in order to be able to win consistently. "Throw to score and run to win," in the words of old NE Patriots OC Ron Erhardt. But there are plenty of other ways to run successfully. As far as running schemes go, the triple option is probably at the other extreme from "pound the rock." The triple relies on discipline and execution whereas "pound the rock" relies on size and brute strength. You can run the triple with smaller linemen and a running QB, whereas "pound the rock" requires bigger linemen and a drop-back passer. I think Rice can come closer to recruiting people who can run the triple than to recruiting people who can "pound the rock." I don't like relying exclusively on the running game. That's why I like what Hawaii did, marrying the triple to the run-and-shoot. It could also be married to any other passing scheme like Ruowls's version of the West Coast or the Air Raid.

All I can hope is that this is not the FB equivalent of Braun's bskb team losing to UST, the year after 6 transfers (or whatever horrible number it was), but if we can lose to SWTSU and SWL (now ULL) which we did in the 80's.

(09-25-2021 09:02 AM)texowl2 Wrote:  All I can hope is that this is not the FB equivalent of Braun's bskb team losing to UST, the year after 6 transfers (or whatever horrible number it was), but if we can lose to SWTSU and SWL (now ULL) which we did in the 80's.

May our running game generate 300+ yards and at least 5 TDs today. Let's quiet the masses for one week.

(09-24-2021 01:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Unfortunately, this is the only game of the season where "just winning" will not be enough. In fact, I don't think anything will calm the torch and pitchfork crowd (I am a pitchfork man).

I think we'll destroy TSU and Southern Mississippi. Neither have a chance. That's how bad they are.

I think you’re right about today, at least.
I’ll reserve opinion on next week for now. We gotta take it one game at a time!

Rice 63, TSU 14.

Quote:Rice 63 or 36, TSU 14 or 41.

Just covering the possibilities.

(09-24-2021 01:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Unfortunately, this is the only game of the season where "just winning" will not be enough. In fact, I don't think anything will calm the torch and pitchfork crowd (I am a pitchfork man).

I think we'll destroy TSU and Southern Mississippi. Neither have a chance. That's how bad they are.

TSU? We'd better.

Southern Miss? Not so sure. Really nothing in their resume so far to prove that they are any worse than we are. Of course, you could probably say that about something close to half of CUSA.

(09-25-2021 10:30 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 01:02 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 09:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Unfortunately, this is the only game of the season where "just winning" will not be enough. In fact, I don't think anything will calm the torch and pitchfork crowd (I am a pitchfork man).

I think we'll destroy TSU and Southern Mississippi. Neither have a chance. That's how bad they are.

TSU? We'd better.

Southern Miss? Not so sure. Really nothing in their resume so far to prove that they are any worse than we are. Of course, you could probably say that about something close to half of CUSA.

My point was that whether we beat TSU 75-0 or 38-35, nobody will be happy. And if we lose….

Just saw the betting on one is Rice by 37.

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So far UT looks like they are playing Rice v Tech

(09-24-2021 07:28 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The West Coast offense comes in several forms, none of which is a "pound the rock" scheme. The Bill Walsh version, perhaps the one most often described by that term, was a quick passing offense designed around horizontal and vertical stretching of the defense, to take advantage of what Virgil Carter could do when Walsh was OC of the Cincinnati Bengals and later developed further at Stanford and with the 49ers. The other and perhaps more proper use of the term would be the Sid Gillmam/Don Coryell/Norv Turner offense that featured more deep balls and speedier receivers. A simplified version became the BYU offense under LaVell Edwards, and was then simplified even more by Hal Mumme and the Pirate to become the Air Raid.

As far as I can tell, Stanford's "pound the rock" is a scheme not used by any other west coast teams and is therefore not properly called the West Coast offense. "Pound the rock" is at the other end of the offensive continuum from any form of the West Coast offense. It probably succeeded at Stanford in large part because it was so different from what anybody else out there was doing, and that contrarianism made it hard to stop. It is contrary to what anybody in CUSA is doing, too, but we just don't have the right athletes to make it work.

It is pretty much a given that you have to run the ball successfully in order to be able to win consistently. "Throw to score and run to win," in the words of old NE Patriots OC Ron Erhardt. But there are plenty of other ways to run successfully. As far as running schemes go, the triple option is probably at the other extreme from "pound the rock." The triple relies on discipline and execution whereas "pound the rock" relies on size and brute strength. You can run the triple with smaller linemen and a running QB, whereas "pound the rock" requires bigger linemen and a drop-back passer. I think Rice can come closer to recruiting people who can run the triple than to recruiting people who can "pound the rock." I don't like relying exclusively on the running game. That's why I like what Hawaii did, marrying the triple to the run-and-shoot. It could also be married to any other passing scheme like Ruolws's version of the West Coast or the Air Raid.

That is a pretty good synopsis. Stanford has been more about pro style offenses due to their proclivity for coaches with NFL exposure. Pound the rock is more old school NFL like. Interestingly, Coryell featured a power running game with a single big back, Chuck Muncie with the Chargers. The West Coast offense was a means of adapting to a weaker QB arm and utilized short throws to the RBs to act as a running game that stretched and outflanked the defensive line and timed routes to the receivers. It also was a pro formation with a FB and TE.
Harbaugh brought Stanford back to NFL style pro formations and Shaw has kept it going and Rice has adopted it.
The Run and Shoot was implemented at Cal in the 80s to mixed results who brought it from Portland State.

Interestingly, Sid Gillman seeded passing on the West Coast. Some of it came out of Montana State from the late 60s.

Stanford has tried going to college coaches in the past with disastrous results, Jack Elway, Buddy Teevins and Walt Harris. In fact, it was Don Bunce acting as an advisor in the late 80s that lead to Harbaugh being brought in to return Stanford to the NFL model and similar to John Ralston Stanford of the 70s.

Woof. UGA up 35-0 on Vandy and the 1st quarter isn’t even over yet. Tough.

Tech may have a new coach after halftime.

49-14 Rice.

Beat Texas Southern for the 2004 baseball team.

What do think is the worst possible outcome today?

a. TSU reprises the accomplishment of their baseball team 17 years ago and pulls the incredible upset
b. Rice ekes out a narrow victory
c. Pound the rock works against an inferior defense, Rice blows them out by 60, and Bloomgren becomes even more entrenched in his offensive mindset

BC is giving an absolute masterclass in “pounding the rock” against Mizzou right now. Blaze and co. are getting pushed around.

Constantine starting.

Per At The Roost, 11th starting QB for Rice since 2017. Most among FBS schools.