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Very interesting to see where CAA schools are, where UNCW is, and where schools we would compete with in other conferences are when it comes to athletic budgets, sports, football schools vs. non football, and student fees.

From March of 2020.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/h...s-n1145171

The last figure is total revenues.

UNCW $750 fee, 10,692,000 year, 14,256 students paying 57% of 18,855,000 total revenues
Charlotte $824 fee 21,677,000 year, 26,307 students paying 57% of 37,919,000 total revenues
WCU - $756 fee 6,467,000 year, 8,554 students paying 44% of 14,720,000 total revenues
ASU $760 fee 12,518,000 year, 16,471 students paying 34% of 37,000,000 total revenues
JMU - $2,340 fee 38,933,000 year, 16,638 students paying 75% of 51,719,000 total revenues
ODU - $1678 fee 28,028,000 year, 10,089 students paying 63% of 44,271,000 total revenues
CofC - $1,278 fee 12,894,000 year, 10,089 students paying 62% of 20,906,000 total revenues

Kind of amazing what App State has been able to do with student fees not much higher than UNCW and they have top notch football. That's an athletic program to emulate. Also, WCU has a budget that is $4 million less than UNCW and they are fielding FCS football. If they can do it, we can do it.
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JMU's fee is insane!!!
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(09-19-2021 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  JMU's fee is insane!!!

Highest of any Div I school in America, And also one of the highest percentages of total revenues
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(09-19-2021 07:33 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Very interesting to see where CAA schools are, where UNCW is, and where schools we would compete with in other conferences are when it comes to athletic budgets, sports, football schools vs. non football, and student fees.

From March of 2020.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/h...s-n1145171

The last figure is total revenues.

UNCW $750 fee, 10,692,000 year, 14,256 students paying 57% of 18,855,000 total revenues
Charlotte $824 fee 21,677,000 year, 26,307 students paying 57% of 37,919,000 total revenues
WCU - $756 fee 6,467,000 year, 8,554 students paying 44% of 14,720,000 total revenues
ASU $760 fee 12,518,000 year, 16,471 students paying 34% of 37,000,000 total revenues
JMU - $2,340 fee 38,933,000 year, 16,638 students paying 75% of 51,719,000 total revenues
ODU - $1678 fee 28,028,000 year, 10,089 students paying 63% of 44,271,000 total revenues
CofC - $1,278 fee 12,894,000 year, 10,089 students paying 62% of 20,906,000 total revenues

Kind of amazing what App State has been able to do with student fees not much higher than UNCW and they have top notch football. That's an athletic program to emulate. Also, WCU has a budget that is $4 million less than UNCW and they are fielding FCS football. If they can do it, we can do it.
Sure, that's what it takes on-going , but it doesn't paint the whole picture. Essentially an entire year of our revenue off of student fees would need to go into starting a football program. Foot ball is a pipe dream with the current state of the athletic department.
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Unless you can go on a JMU like run of dominance or get an incredibly fortunate break like Coastal and get a quick FBS invite, I don't see how FCS football will help at this point. If the SoCon said they would admit us if we added football, then maybe
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(09-19-2021 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  JMU's fee is insane!!!

We play this game anytime someone looks at JMU. There are some funky accounting rules in VA that inflate that fee (ie, band, spirit groups, basically anything that touches athletics must be charged to athletics). No doubt our fee is high, but we're still a good deal cheaper overall than most schools.

Total cost for F/T in state for Fall 2021.

JMU: $23,214
UNCW: $25,798

Out of State:
JMU $40,114
UNCW $39,863
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(09-20-2021 08:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  JMU's fee is insane!!!

We play this game anytime someone looks at JMU. There are some funky accounting rules in VA that inflate that fee (ie, band, spirit groups, basically anything that touches athletics must be charged to athletics). No doubt our fee is high, but we're still a good deal cheaper overall than most schools.

Total cost for F/T in state for Fall 2021.

JMU: $23,214
UNCW: $25,798

Out of State:
JMU $40,114
UNCW $39,863
Fair, but i don't think anyone here was casting stones at what it costs to attend. We were merely looking at student fees as it relates to athletic budgets
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(09-20-2021 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  JMU's fee is insane!!!

We play this game anytime someone looks at JMU. There are some funky accounting rules in VA that inflate that fee (ie, band, spirit groups, basically anything that touches athletics must be charged to athletics). No doubt our fee is high, but we're still a good deal cheaper overall than most schools.

Total cost for F/T in state for Fall 2021.

JMU: $23,214
UNCW: $25,798

Out of State:
JMU $40,114
UNCW $39,863
Fair, but i don't think anyone here was casting stones at what it costs to attend. We were merely looking at student fees as it relates to athletic budgets

My point is that it's really not relevant in the grand scheme. JMU's fee is high compared to other schools, but it is not an apples to apples comparison.

JMU has $17mm in athletic fee facility debt service that gets charged to athletics. That comes out to $800/student per year included in the athletic fee. In many states, debt service is allocated to the general operating budget, so the above $17mm wouldn't be in the athletic budget.

Really, the only true comparison b/t schools is the cost to attend. And even that is highly subjective based on the quality of education. W&M is anywhere b/t 60-75% more expensive than JMU and UNCW, but some people believe that the W&M degree is worth that difference.
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(09-20-2021 09:40 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  JMU's fee is insane!!!

We play this game anytime someone looks at JMU. There are some funky accounting rules in VA that inflate that fee (ie, band, spirit groups, basically anything that touches athletics must be charged to athletics). No doubt our fee is high, but we're still a good deal cheaper overall than most schools.

Total cost for F/T in state for Fall 2021.

JMU: $23,214
UNCW: $25,798

Out of State:
JMU $40,114
UNCW $39,863
Fair, but i don't think anyone here was casting stones at what it costs to attend. We were merely looking at student fees as it relates to athletic budgets

My point is that it's really not relevant in the grand scheme. JMU's fee is high compared to other schools, but it is not an apples to apples comparison.

JMU has $17mm in athletic fee facility debt service that gets charged to athletics. That comes out to $800/student per year included in the athletic fee. In many states, debt service is allocated to the general operating budget, so the above $17mm wouldn't be in the athletic budget.

Really, the only true comparison b/t schools is the cost to attend. And even that is highly subjective based on the quality of education. W&M is anywhere b/t 60-75% more expensive than JMU and UNCW, but some people believe that the W&M degree is worth that difference.

I believe Virginia is very similar to North Carolina in that universities can't use state funding or tuition for athletics. The only State employee we have on the payroll in athletics is our AD. I was really trying to focus on budgets and funding if we were to take on FCS football. And from what I can see, UNC system schools don't have athletic fees much higher than ours. Which tells me they have a great deal of income from other sources. I assume pay games away, ticket sales, donations, etc. must be pretty lucrative.

I know for a fact our Chancellor wants football at UNCW. And the SoCon may provide an option for UNCW to move everything to a conference that fits our geography better, which reduces costs, and makes the possibility of football more feasible cost wise. From his point of view, that's a win/win. Right now, the lack of football deters UNCW from being a first choice school in NC and we're already the fastest growing school in the system. This move to the SoCon and adding football, could get us to his goal of 25,000 students pretty easily in the near future. And he'd have the legacy of being the Chancellor who brought football to UNCW, and he's a legacy guy.

The time may actually be right for this to happen. We're right at 18k students and were closer to 10k just 10 years ago. The SoCon could be our best long term conference plan and our best chance for a foot in the door to football.
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(09-20-2021 12:29 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:40 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 09:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  JMU's fee is insane!!!

We play this game anytime someone looks at JMU. There are some funky accounting rules in VA that inflate that fee (ie, band, spirit groups, basically anything that touches athletics must be charged to athletics). No doubt our fee is high, but we're still a good deal cheaper overall than most schools.

Total cost for F/T in state for Fall 2021.

JMU: $23,214
UNCW: $25,798

Out of State:
JMU $40,114
UNCW $39,863
Fair, but i don't think anyone here was casting stones at what it costs to attend. We were merely looking at student fees as it relates to athletic budgets

My point is that it's really not relevant in the grand scheme. JMU's fee is high compared to other schools, but it is not an apples to apples comparison.

JMU has $17mm in athletic fee facility debt service that gets charged to athletics. That comes out to $800/student per year included in the athletic fee. In many states, debt service is allocated to the general operating budget, so the above $17mm wouldn't be in the athletic budget.

Really, the only true comparison b/t schools is the cost to attend. And even that is highly subjective based on the quality of education. W&M is anywhere b/t 60-75% more expensive than JMU and UNCW, but some people believe that the W&M degree is worth that difference.

I believe Virginia is very similar to North Carolina in that universities can't use state funding or tuition for athletics. The only State employee we have on the payroll in athletics is our AD. I was really trying to focus on budgets and funding if we were to take on FCS football. And from what I can see, UNC system schools don't have athletic fees much higher than ours. Which tells me they have a great deal of income from other sources. I assume pay games away, ticket sales, donations, etc. must be pretty lucrative.

I know for a fact our Chancellor wants football at UNCW. And the SoCon may provide an option for UNCW to move everything to a conference that fits our geography better, which reduces costs, and makes the possibility of football more feasible cost wise. From his point of view, that's a win/win. Right now, the lack of football deters UNCW from being a first choice school in NC and we're already the fastest growing school in the system. This move to the SoCon and adding football, could get us to his goal of 25,000 students pretty easily in the near future. And he'd have the legacy of being the Chancellor who brought football to UNCW, and he's a legacy guy.

The time may actually be right for this to happen. We're right at 18k students and were closer to 10k just 10 years ago. The SoCon could be our best long term conference plan and our best chance for a foot in the door to football.
This sounds great from a 10k feet level, again, where is the money coming from to start up the program? Cost savings from travel etc are a long term thing. I don't disagree that once started up it could work. But where are we getting that one time huge cash infusion which is pretty much = to a years operating budget for the whole department? That is the giant lingering question. And i don't think the 10- 20 mil number even includes a stadium. So one would have to assume we would use Legion short term?
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If we did add football, we would have to cut men's sports.

We would have to cut 3 of:
M Soccer
M Tennis
M Swimming and Diving
M Golf
M Cross Country
M Outdoor Track

That would put us at the bare minimum of 6 Men's sports, which is what JMU and Towson run at
Football, Basketball, Baseball, plus 3 of the above
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(09-20-2021 12:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If we did add football, we would have to cut men's sports.

We would have to cut 3 of:
M Soccer
M Tennis
M Swimming and Diving
M Golf
M Cross Country
M Outdoor Track

That would put us at the bare minimum of 6 Men's sports, which is what JMU and Towson run at
Football, Basketball, Baseball, plus 3 of the above

Golf, cross country and tennis are the obvious ones to me. No revenue, little recognition for the school, and no negative impact on "diversity".
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Would this cut of three men's sports to add football take care of Title IX scholarship requirements? Right off the top of my head I'd think not. Plus a football coaching staff (12-15) positions would be a sizeable yearly expense ($600,000+ a year and that is probably a very low ball estimate). Another low ball estimate for scholarships would be $600,000. I believe cutting just three sports would not get it done. Recurring costs (the above are just two of many) are one headache. Startup money is another entirely different animal.. The way I see it is that to have football - the "very rich uncle" the University doesn't have will have to die & leave everything to the Dub.


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(09-20-2021 02:00 PM)Proff Wrote:  Would this cut of three men's sports to add football take care of Title IX scholarship requirements? Right off the top of my head I'd think not. Plus a football coaching staff (12-15) positions would be a sizeable yearly expense ($600,000+ a year and that is probably a very low ball estimate). Another low ball estimate for scholarships would be $600,000. I believe cutting just three sports would not get it done. Recurring costs (the above are just two of many) are one headache. Startup money is another entirely different animal.. The way I see it is that to have football - the "very rich uncle" the University doesn't have will have to die & leave everything to the Dub.


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JMU and Towson sponsor 12 women's sports

We currently sponsor 11. So likely we would have to find at least 1 cheap women's sport (field hockey??) to sponsor in addition to likely increasing funding to current women's sports that are not full funded with scholarships in order to meet Title IX requirements.

I can't imagine startup costs in this environment as we would have to build a stadium from scratch
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(09-20-2021 12:42 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 12:29 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:40 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:53 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 08:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  We play this game anytime someone looks at JMU. There are some funky accounting rules in VA that inflate that fee (ie, band, spirit groups, basically anything that touches athletics must be charged to athletics). No doubt our fee is high, but we're still a good deal cheaper overall than most schools.

Total cost for F/T in state for Fall 2021.

JMU: $23,214
UNCW: $25,798

Out of State:
JMU $40,114
UNCW $39,863
Fair, but i don't think anyone here was casting stones at what it costs to attend. We were merely looking at student fees as it relates to athletic budgets

My point is that it's really not relevant in the grand scheme. JMU's fee is high compared to other schools, but it is not an apples to apples comparison.

JMU has $17mm in athletic fee facility debt service that gets charged to athletics. That comes out to $800/student per year included in the athletic fee. In many states, debt service is allocated to the general operating budget, so the above $17mm wouldn't be in the athletic budget.

Really, the only true comparison b/t schools is the cost to attend. And even that is highly subjective based on the quality of education. W&M is anywhere b/t 60-75% more expensive than JMU and UNCW, but some people believe that the W&M degree is worth that difference.

I believe Virginia is very similar to North Carolina in that universities can't use state funding or tuition for athletics. The only State employee we have on the payroll in athletics is our AD. I was really trying to focus on budgets and funding if we were to take on FCS football. And from what I can see, UNC system schools don't have athletic fees much higher than ours. Which tells me they have a great deal of income from other sources. I assume pay games away, ticket sales, donations, etc. must be pretty lucrative.

I know for a fact our Chancellor wants football at UNCW. And the SoCon may provide an option for UNCW to move everything to a conference that fits our geography better, which reduces costs, and makes the possibility of football more feasible cost wise. From his point of view, that's a win/win. Right now, the lack of football deters UNCW from being a first choice school in NC and we're already the fastest growing school in the system. This move to the SoCon and adding football, could get us to his goal of 25,000 students pretty easily in the near future. And he'd have the legacy of being the Chancellor who brought football to UNCW, and he's a legacy guy.

The time may actually be right for this to happen. We're right at 18k students and were closer to 10k just 10 years ago. The SoCon could be our best long term conference plan and our best chance for a foot in the door to football.
This sounds great from a 10k feet level, again, where is the money coming from to start up the program? Cost savings from travel etc are a long term thing. I don't disagree that once started up it could work. But where are we getting that one time huge cash infusion which is pretty much = to a years operating budget for the whole department? That is the giant lingering question. And i don't think the 10- 20 mil number even includes a stadium. So one would have to assume we would use Legion short term?


I've heard from several sources that there are donors in place if we made this decision. A whole lot of alumni would like nothing more than to come to Wilmington on a nice Saturday in fall, break out the tailgate gear and watch some UNCW football. Me included. And I think you're correct that Legion stadium would be our starter stadium. Looks like they can hold about 6,000 right now. WCU stadium can hold almost 14,000 so I imagine we'd sell out to start and get an idea of demand. WCU averages just over 10k for home games, which is top 20 in FCS football. I think we could get there pretty quickly. And legion is located close to downtown, which would be great for visitors and businesses.

We'd also need the right AD to make this happen when Bass retires.
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Football might not hurt basketball but I imagine it would definitely do baseball no favors.

Between that and the way NFL and collegiate football are moving towards flag football to prevent concussions, it would be hard to get me on board with that plan. I get that it would open doors for us in terms of conference affiliation, but I'd rather just continue to build baseball and basketball so we can get into the A-10 some day.

But if they do make the call to go for football, I'll get behind it and hope we do it right. None of this messing around with FCS football. Be ready to join the FBS or bust. Charlotte, Old Dominion and Georgia State all did it. We should be able to do so as well, or else don't even bother starting the program, or delay doing so until you're ready.
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I don't see enough of our regular boosters ponying up the money even to start up football. We need several corporate sponsorships to get it done. That's how I understand Coastal was able to do it. They got big money from companies like Hooters to buy in and help create success.
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(09-20-2021 01:59 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 12:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If we did add football, we would have to cut men's sports.

We would have to cut 3 of:
M Soccer
M Tennis
M Swimming and Diving
M Golf
M Cross Country
M Outdoor Track

That would put us at the bare minimum of 6 Men's sports, which is what JMU and Towson run at
Football, Basketball, Baseball, plus 3 of the above

Golf, cross country and tennis are the obvious ones to me. No revenue, little recognition for the school, and no impact negative impact on "diversity".

I can see cutting XC and Track. But golf actually holds its own and has had a tournament every year that has brought major programs. And tennis, through the years, has been in the national rankings more than any program at UNCW. They do make the NCAA tournament pretty consistently.
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(09-20-2021 02:48 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 01:59 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 12:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If we did add football, we would have to cut men's sports.

We would have to cut 3 of:
M Soccer
M Tennis
M Swimming and Diving
M Golf
M Cross Country
M Outdoor Track

That would put us at the bare minimum of 6 Men's sports, which is what JMU and Towson run at
Football, Basketball, Baseball, plus 3 of the above

Golf, cross country and tennis are the obvious ones to me. No revenue, little recognition for the school, and no impact negative impact on "diversity".

I can see cutting XC and Track. But golf actually holds its own and has had a tournament every year that has brought major programs. And tennis, through the years, has been in the national rankings more than any program at UNCW. They do make the NCAA tournament pretty consistently.

It's about revenue, not success.
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(09-20-2021 03:11 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 02:48 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 01:59 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 12:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If we did add football, we would have to cut men's sports.

We would have to cut 3 of:
M Soccer
M Tennis
M Swimming and Diving
M Golf
M Cross Country
M Outdoor Track

That would put us at the bare minimum of 6 Men's sports, which is what JMU and Towson run at
Football, Basketball, Baseball, plus 3 of the above

Golf, cross country and tennis are the obvious ones to me. No revenue, little recognition for the school, and no impact negative impact on "diversity".

I can see cutting XC and Track. But golf actually holds its own and has had a tournament every year that has brought major programs. And tennis, through the years, has been in the national rankings more than any program at UNCW. They do make the NCAA tournament pretty consistently.

It's about revenue, not success.
With just about all of those secondary sports listed, none are big revenue drivers so, success in those cases would be the driving factor.
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