(09-19-2021 12:19 PM)Eagle4Christ Wrote: And, note that he put his arms down as soon as he saw was Austin was doing, clearly indicating he knew he had started calling the ball dead before he should have. The only question is what should have happened as a result.
The MSU players abandoned the ball before the referee began signalling it dead, so it cannot be argued that the referee caused them to behave differently.
The two number fours are the only real beef. So we got a break. Sometimes they go for you, sometimes they go against you. It ain't the end of the world, and the national media should stop acting as if it was.
Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
Agree
The worst thing a ref did on that play was that arm wave. Missing the two number 4 jerseys happens a LOT and is purely technical
Even though he quickly corrected himself and even though they did NOT down properly that ball no matter how much they whine about it the arms by that ref probably should have resulted in an inadvertent whistle type call
But even that has qualifiers. Refs make inadvertent motions a lot and they don’t all stop plays. But you can argue the Moo players didn’t think to chase Austin quickly enough due to that although not a single one was looking at that ref. After the touch but not picking up of the ball by the Moo kid they wrongfully thought the play was over
Regardless, when Moo punted that ball, whether we get the ball at our 7, whether they get five yards for a penalty, we were headed for a win, albeit less dramatically than with the screw ups
Six consecutive defensive stops by Memphis. We won
Absolutely. The defense came through big time. They could have folded; they didn't. There's your story.
Here's a shot of Calvin slicing through the crowd of Miss State players to collect the ball. It happened right as the ref threw a marker at the spot where the kicking team touched and before the ref did anything else with his arms. Must have not processed that the ball was being played until a split second after his brain told his arms to wave. #43 in white looked like the only other person who knew what was going on at first.
We have been blessed with some unbelievably smart and athletic players the past few years but Calvin might be aiming for top spot when all is said and done.
(This post was last modified: 09-19-2021 02:45 PM by Psicosis.)
(09-19-2021 02:38 PM)Psicosis Wrote: Here's a shot of Calvin slicing through the crowd of Miss State players to collect the ball. It happened right as the ref threw a marker at the spot where the kicking team touched and before the ref did anything else with his arms. Must have not processed that the ball was being played until a split second after his brain told his arms to wave. #43 in white looked like the only other person who knew what was going on at first.
We have been blessed with some unbelievably smart and athletic players the past few years but Calvin might be aiming for top spot when all is said and done.
Glad the SEC's ministry of truth cleared this up. I always thought a whistle signaled the play was done. Never knew you had to watch the ref and the timekeeper at the same time, and not watch the actual play.
I have often heard SEC fans complain about their officials being the worst in football. I agree but only when they are calling an OOC game. That is when all of their errors usually benefit the SEC team. This time they were so bad they inadvertently helped us. Can't wait to see what happens when Arkasas come to Liberty in a few years.
This weekend I learned that Mississippi State fans, (and their AD), are the sorest losers in the country. It is really disgusting how they have behaved after losing that game.
Credit to Mike Leach for acknowledging in the post game presser that was a live ball and his team should have picked it up and handed it to the official, and also acknowledging that Memphis played really hard for 60 minutes. I saw him deliberately walk up to Silverfield with respect in his eyes and shake hands and compliment him after the game.
I wish Miss State fans had a modicum of dignity and didn't act like petulant children when they lose a game. It is embarrassing.
(This post was last modified: 09-20-2021 07:23 AM by MemphisFootballFan.)
My brother's father-in-law is a former college coach and was a special team's coordinator. We had a family get together yesterday that he was at and of course we discussed this since he knows I am a Memphis grad. He simply stated that it was absolutely a legitimate play and that it played out correctly. He said in the years he spent coaching special teams that he beat into his players head to ALWAYS pick the ball up and hand to the official and that they preached this every single time they ran through punts in practice.
It is simple, either the MS State staff has not taught their players well or the players just got lazy or had a mental lapse. Calvin Austin did exactly what players are supposed to do and he played the play out.
(09-20-2021 07:22 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote: This weekend I learned that Mississippi State fans, (and their AD), are the sorest losers in the country. It is really disgusting how they have behaved after losing that game.
Credit to Mike Leach for acknowledging in the post game presser that was a live ball and his team should have picked it up and handed it to the official, and also acknowledging that Memphis played really hard for 60 minutes. I saw him deliberately walk up to Silverfield with respect in his eyes and shake hands and compliment him after the game.
I wish Miss State fans had a modicum of dignity and didn't act like petulant children when they lose a game. It is embarrassing.
It's true.
You can also throw in disdain for ESPN and the SEC office for inciting this.
How many times do you see the league office come out with a statement on officials? Maybe a few. But do you really think that if it was Bama or even Old Miss returning the punt that the SEC office would issue a statement?
(09-19-2021 12:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: This is it. I was taught this as a return guy in HS. If the punting team touches it but leaves it on the ground, the return guy can scoop and run. Even if he were to get a bad scoop and fumble the ball, it goes back to the touching point. Which is why the ref throws the beanie on the ground to mark where the ball was touched. It is exactly a free play. And this is why you always see the punting team pick the ball up and hand it to the ref.
They can cry all they want, but it was the right play the way it played out. They simply screwed up.
I thought it was down because the slo-mo replay showed the 2nd Miss St player to touch it with his knee on the ground and his hand on top of the ball, but very briefly, so maybe he didn't come to a complete stop long enough for the official to notice, or maybe they don't consider it "in his possession" when he's pinning it to the ground with one hand, which would seem like possession to me when he has his knee on the ground and is therefore down.
The kicking team cannot "down it". That's the thing. It doesn't matter if he had rolled around on the ground with it. Once he laid it back down - instead of taking it out of play by handing it to the ref or running off the field with it - then it's a live ball for the O. Until the ref BLOWS THE WHISTLE.
It's one of the least known rules of football. My dad taught me this when I returned punts in HS. I then went and asked my HS coach because he'd never told me this, and he was impressed. He explained it to me, and told me to always look for this opportunity.
(This post was last modified: 09-20-2021 10:05 AM by Tiger87.)
Quote:Memphis picked up its third win of the 2021 season against Mississippi State Saturday thanks to an apparent misstep by the officiating crew.
It still annoys me that the narrative is not 'Great heady play' but 'Memphis cheated because of bad refs." Who knows what would have happened if the ball was downed. No whistle means you keep playing.
Quote:Memphis picked up its third win of the 2021 season against Mississippi State Saturday thanks to an apparent misstep by the officiating crew.
It still annoys me that the narrative is not 'Great heady play' but 'Memphis cheated because of bad refs." Who knows what would have happened if the ball was downed. No whistle means you keep playing.
from that story:
Quote:Even the referee was about to call the play dead and let Memphis set up shop.
So...he hadn't yet called the play dead. Where's the problem?
/
SEC Statement on punt return
![[Image: image.png]](https://i.ibb.co/BzsW81K/image.png)
![[Image: qOIamYB.png]](https://i.imgur.com/qOIamYB.png)
