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(09-17-2021 05:08 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 04:41 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  Both basketball teams won 22 games in 2004, soccer won 11 and football 5. Possibly men bskb was the best team since the 40s and a Yamar injury away from a great season. I suspect that fb team would beat this years. Is that awful?

Men's track produced the NCAA champion in decathlon that year: Ryan Harlan.

And Rice won both the men's and women's WAC Track championships that year.
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Rice deserves everything coming to them. Hell the President and Admin. cant find the money even completely remodel the football stadium. Oh yea they pressure washed the lower level. Yeaa! They cant find the money to keep their most successful coaches. Bailiff should have been fired two years earlier but too much money to sacrifice and so lets run the program in the ground first like we did in WBB before Langlry was hired. I am sure Rice would love to be in the Ivy League where you have limited schloraships and have < 10000 coming to a football game.
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(09-17-2021 05:11 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  In terms of rankings we weren’t below Vandy or Emory when Leebron took over. He’s done a good job fundraising. That’s about it.

I don't like some of the things that have happened under Leebron, but I do want to point out that we have moved up in Forbes from the mid-30s to 21 in the last few years. The Forbes list is the only other one that really matters IMO because it is also U.S.-centric and it ranks schools of all types together. Our ranking of 21 in Forbes is therefore better than our ranking of 17 in USNWR, and it tells a slightly different story about our trajectory.

And trust me, I'm not disagreeing with you about Leebron. But our academic stature hasn't declined on his watch as far as I can tell. I think the drop in USNWR that did matter - top-10 to top-20 - happened before Leebron got here.
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(09-17-2021 06:44 PM)WestGrayStreetOwl Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 05:08 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 04:41 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  Both basketball teams won 22 games in 2004, soccer won 11 and football 5. Possibly men bskb was the best team since the 40s and a Yamar injury away from a great season. I suspect that fb team would beat this years. Is that awful?

Men's track produced the NCAA champion in decathlon that year: Ryan Harlan.

And Rice won both the men's and women's WAC Track championships that year.

Clearly I didn't research completely. All these and the Barkers. Again far from awful....
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(09-17-2021 09:46 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  
(09-17-2021 05:11 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  In terms of rankings we weren’t below Vandy or Emory when Leebron took over. He’s done a good job fundraising. That’s about it.

I don't like some of the things that have happened under Leebron, but I do want to point out that we have moved up in Forbes from the mid-30s to 21 in the last few years. The Forbes list is the only other one that really matters IMO because it is also U.S.-centric and it ranks schools of all types together. Our ranking of 21 in Forbes is therefore better than our ranking of 17 in USNWR, and it tells a slightly different story about our trajectory.

And trust me, I'm not disagreeing with you about Leebron. But our academic stature hasn't declined on his watch as far as I can tell. I think the drop in USNWR that did matter - top-10 to top-20 - happened before Leebron got here.

So what universities garner the praise of Parliamentarians? Obviously none of the Ivies, Stanford, or California University system schools.
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https://www.thedp.com/article/2021/08/nc...holarships

I've argued that Rice needs to join the Ivy League. Particularly if the Ivy changes its policy of not allowing athletic scholarships (as these two Penn grads argued for in a recent student newspaper editorial). The Ivy League has changed some athletic policies recently (such as not allowing 5th year seniors to compete).

I think Rice would be okay with spending the money to compete in the Ivy League because of the competition's academic level. But it probably would only make sense if Rice had a travel partner to join the Ivy - such as the University of Chicago or Washington University in St. Louis. Or maybe those latter schools can find one more similar academic partner and form the western side of the Ivy League.
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(09-18-2021 11:11 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.thedp.com/article/2021/08/nc...holarships
I've argued that Rice needs to join the Ivy League. Particularly if the Ivy changes its policy of not allowing athletic scholarships (as these two Penn grads argued for in a recent student newspaper editorial). The Ivy League has changed some athletic policies recently (such as not allowing 5th year seniors to compete).
I think Rice would be okay with spending the money to compete in the Ivy League because of the competition's academic level. But it probably would only make sense if Rice had a travel partner to join the Ivy - such as the University of Chicago or Washington University in St. Louis. Or maybe those latter schools can find one more similar academic partner and form the western side of the Ivy League.

Long-standing Ivy travel restrictions do not allow Ivy football teams to travel as far as Houston for a game. That would have to change for us to join the Ivys, or else we'd be a 100% road team before throngs of 6-10,000. Dennis Green did pull some strings with his Ivy contacts to get an exception for Cornell to travel to play Stanford when he was the head coach there in 1991.

Bottom line: We can't join the Ivys, and there are not enough similarly minded universities close to us to form a league. McKinsey said that, among other things.
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Harvard played at San Diego in both 2013 and 2019.
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(09-18-2021 12:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Harvard played at San Diego in both 2013 and 2019.

Those require exceptions to be granted by the Ivy League, upon approval of other league members. They let basketball travel, and I don't know about baseball.
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Other Ivy teams have traveled recently - not as far away as San Diego - but trips to Indianapolis and Valparaiso, Indiana, Georgetown, etc.

I suspect that rule has changed, much like college football in general. It used to be that college athletes couldn't get paid for their likeness either. Now, some are making 7 figures a year.

Hockey is another sport in the Ivy with no travel restrictions I imagine. Cornell played at Michigan State, and Harvard played Arizona State (in Irvine, CA) in 2019.

As my first post noted, the Ivy wouldn't be an option under the current circumstances. But perhaps they decide to change their set-up and offer college scholarships. And expand their geographic footprint. It actually would be a strong move for the Ivy to say we think there is room in college athletics for students who want to compete at a high level in athletics, but are mostly focused on their education.
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I remember seeing a book with a 12 step program to overcome (Houston) Oilermania.

(09-16-2021 10:42 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  It's like they teach you in 12-step programs. You have to hit bottom first. Rice hasn't hit bottom yet.
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