(09-16-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:17 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Weird, I was called an idiot, and told I was wrong because Aresco wasn’t contacting any MWC teams.
I literally said they are coming concentrating on Air Force and CSU as a way to open up a western division.

Followed it up with saying UAB was being considered and not App St, none of the Louisiana schools and all the others listed…. And look who was right again. Damn, it’s like all the posters from other conference that keep saying I am wrong… are wrong themselves.

Here’s the deal, he’s offering five with the hope of landing 4 but would settle with 3 for now.

Boise state is the only schools thay fully replaces the value of Central Florida. They are the easy path to maintaining our current deal. Boise, AF and CSU would keep us right where we are.

SDSU is being added to help get Boise. If Boise says no, the SDSU offer dries up and they will push for the remaining three.
We will take AF, CSU and UAB if they accept, and probably stop there if Boise isn’t in the mix.

UAB is in, no matter what. I may not love some of their posters, since I think they have acted in a manner that we just got rid of, but overall they fit academically, have solid tv numbers and it’s happening. No way around it.

CSUs interest is a problem for Marshal. If we don’t get any MWC, then marshal becomes an option. I’ve heard we would take this two and then maybe pause and evaluate. Our tv deal would take a hit but could be as little as 15-20% with those two.

Lastly, I am hearing there is no 14-16 team model. More teams isn’t working out to more money. Aresco is doing his work and really trying to get espn to help us. They can be active in all of this since the MWC isn’t their partner. They are offering Boise featured time slots and better exposure. The money will be about equal to what they get now… tiny bit more.

I think almost everybody here knew that the MWC would be the first target. After that you fall back on other G5 conferences. Say Boise and SDSU say no... UAB is a lock with maybe CSU and AFA... then who is 4th at that point? Marshall?

It's already been stated who the next targets are. FAU and UTSA.

I personally feel like both a good targets.

The top 7 targets are: The 4 MWC programs, UAB, FAU, and UTSA.

(09-16-2021 03:36 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:31 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

Quote:I think almost everybody here knew that the MWC would be the first target. After that you fall back on other G5 conferences. Say Boise and SDSU say no... UAB is a lock with maybe CSU and AFA... then who is 4th at that point? Marshall?

Most did. Just like most knew the Big 12 would raid the AAC and not the other way around. I just get tired of being right and these same people come back and call me an idiot. Mindblowing.

UAB is the only lock outside of the MWC. The whole plan really centers around CSU. I’ve heard they are actively listening and could go with or without Boise.
If CSU, there’s a good chance Air Force goes. The old commandant is gone and the newer one is more open. If we get those three, there is a chance we stop at 11. I think the philosophy is that those three add a certain value. Adding more doesn’t necessarily mean more money. There’s a point of dilution.

Marshal happens if all MWC schools decline. I think we might stop at 10 with just uab and Marshall. The contract would decrease, so it’s definitely plan B.

I have no source on this, but I have a heavy hunch that if we land CSU and AF, then grab UAB… we’ll have one more call with Army before calling it a day. No Air Force and I don’t think army happens.

Honestly, I think if you can get just about any 2 of the ones mentioned, even if neither are Boise, you'll get all 4.

I don't think any will want to stay for the uncertainty ahead at that point. The AAC/ESPN will be tossing a number around. The adjusted MWC value will be up in the air.

Yes .. there just aren't enough football schools out west to backfill. So if you get a couple to go, i think you get whoever you want. No one wants to be left.

(09-16-2021 03:36 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:09 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Throwing those MWC names out there and not being able to land them would leave the American with egg on its face. I hope this means there is mutual interest.

Aresco previously said he would not pursue schools that are not interested in AAC.

Yeah but I get the point. The whole thing could still fall through for a number of reasons. Even if it goes exactly as reported, if Memphis and SMU, for instance, got called up before the MWC join, then they might rethink going through with it.

(09-16-2021 03:39 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:17 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Weird, I was called an idiot, and told I was wrong because Aresco wasn’t contacting any MWC teams.
I literally said they are coming concentrating on Air Force and CSU as a way to open up a western division.

Followed it up with saying UAB was being considered and not App St, none of the Louisiana schools and all the others listed…. And look who was right again. Damn, it’s like all the posters from other conference that keep saying I am wrong… are wrong themselves.

Here’s the deal, he’s offering five with the hope of landing 4 but would settle with 3 for now.

Boise state is the only schools thay fully replaces the value of Central Florida. They are the easy path to maintaining our current deal. Boise, AF and CSU would keep us right where we are.

SDSU is being added to help get Boise. If Boise says no, the SDSU offer dries up and they will push for the remaining three.
We will take AF, CSU and UAB if they accept, and probably stop there if Boise isn’t in the mix.

UAB is in, no matter what. I may not love some of their posters, since I think they have acted in a manner that we just got rid of, but overall they fit academically, have solid tv numbers and it’s happening. No way around it.

CSUs interest is a problem for Marshal. If we don’t get any MWC, then marshal becomes an option. I’ve heard we would take this two and then maybe pause and evaluate. Our tv deal would take a hit but could be as little as 15-20% with those two.

Lastly, I am hearing there is no 14-16 team model. More teams isn’t working out to more money. Aresco is doing his work and really trying to get espn to help us. They can be active in all of this since the MWC isn’t their partner. They are offering Boise featured time slots and better exposure. The money will be about equal to what they get now… tiny bit more.

I think almost everybody here knew that the MWC would be the first target. After that you fall back on other G5 conferences. Say Boise and SDSU say no... UAB is a lock with maybe CSU and AFA... then who is 4th at that point? Marshall?

It's already been stated who the next targets are. FAU and UTSA.

I personally feel like both a good targets.

The top 7 targets are: The 4 MWC programs, UAB, FAU, and UTSA.

Your definition of "good" is subjective, but hey at least with FAU and UTSA ECU basketball starts looking a lot better!!!

(09-16-2021 03:40 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:36 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:09 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Throwing those MWC names out there and not being able to land them would leave the American with egg on its face. I hope this means there is mutual interest.

Aresco previously said he would not pursue schools that are not interested in AAC.

Yeah but I get the point. The whole thing could still fall through for a number of reasons. Even if it goes exactly as reported, if Memphis and SMU, for instance, got called up before the MWC join, then they might rethink going through with it.

Even if the AAC lost more schools the point is for those not going to end up in best league possible. They would always be able to backfill any loses

(09-16-2021 01:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  According to "multiple sources"

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...alignment/

I think if AAC could pull that off, keeping the 7 mil payout is very possible, and being the clear #6 conf is also a lock. The AAC would be able to continue the P6 campaign.
It would clearly be a tweener conf.

The article essentially confirms what the AAC wants: brands and/or markets. Boise (football) and Air Force (military academy) are brands. San Diego State is becoming known for being good in both football and hoops — as is UAB. Colorado State has the facilities and is located in a fast-growing state.

As a Memphis fan, I would vastly prefer this scenario than adding from C-USA/Sun Belt.

A 13-team league in both major sports. I would want UNLV (for hoops and Las Vegas) from the MWC to make it 14:

Temple
East Carolina
USF
UAB
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU
Air Force
Colorado State
Boise State
San Diego State
UNLV

Navy (football only)

Wichita (non-football)

That's 15 programs and gives the AAC a cushion if it loses two.

(09-16-2021 03:39 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:17 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Weird, I was called an idiot, and told I was wrong because Aresco wasn’t contacting any MWC teams.
I literally said they are coming concentrating on Air Force and CSU as a way to open up a western division.

Followed it up with saying UAB was being considered and not App St, none of the Louisiana schools and all the others listed…. And look who was right again. Damn, it’s like all the posters from other conference that keep saying I am wrong… are wrong themselves.

Here’s the deal, he’s offering five with the hope of landing 4 but would settle with 3 for now.

Boise state is the only schools thay fully replaces the value of Central Florida. They are the easy path to maintaining our current deal. Boise, AF and CSU would keep us right where we are.

SDSU is being added to help get Boise. If Boise says no, the SDSU offer dries up and they will push for the remaining three.
We will take AF, CSU and UAB if they accept, and probably stop there if Boise isn’t in the mix.

UAB is in, no matter what. I may not love some of their posters, since I think they have acted in a manner that we just got rid of, but overall they fit academically, have solid tv numbers and it’s happening. No way around it.

CSUs interest is a problem for Marshal. If we don’t get any MWC, then marshal becomes an option. I’ve heard we would take this two and then maybe pause and evaluate. Our tv deal would take a hit but could be as little as 15-20% with those two.

Lastly, I am hearing there is no 14-16 team model. More teams isn’t working out to more money. Aresco is doing his work and really trying to get espn to help us. They can be active in all of this since the MWC isn’t their partner. They are offering Boise featured time slots and better exposure. The money will be about equal to what they get now… tiny bit more.

I think almost everybody here knew that the MWC would be the first target. After that you fall back on other G5 conferences. Say Boise and SDSU say no... UAB is a lock with maybe CSU and AFA... then who is 4th at that point? Marshall?

It's already been stated who the next targets are. FAU and UTSA.

I personally feel like both a good targets.

The top 7 targets are: The 4 MWC programs, UAB, FAU, and UTSA.

I mentioned this over on the conference realignment board... the problem with FAU and UTSA is they make East Carolina look like North Carolina in hoops.

I think UTSA pulls in under 1K in non-conference hoops games, and FAU is not much better.

They would definitely be good additions on the football side of things, but the American does take basketball seriously. I think that increases Marshall's stock considerably, in my opinion anyway.

(09-16-2021 03:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:02 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC can truly lure a critical mass of MWC schools all the way to San Diego State, then there's another school that the league should be aiming for: Gonzaga.

The map looks ridiculous. I think the only way this works is if you go to 16 or maybe even 18 for a true coast to coast conference.

Going to 14 for football and 15 for basketball might work

As a hypothetical, the AAC adds:

Air Force
Colorado State
Boise State
San Diego State
UNLV
Fresno State
Gonzaga (non-football)

The league then makes sure that basketball and Olympic sports have regionally-focused schedules.

The bottom line argument would be that Boise State football plus Gonzaga basketball are the headliners to get ESPN to keep the AAC TV contract at (or at least near) the current level. Now, I'm not sure if that's actually going to be the case, but this might be the only option that's semi-realistic to keep the existing revenue intact.

Wow. You actually think this will happen? I think an AAC with 6 MWC schools plus Gonzaga has about a 1% chance of happening. I’m obviously not seeing what you guys are.

(09-16-2021 03:42 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:40 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:36 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:09 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Throwing those MWC names out there and not being able to land them would leave the American with egg on its face. I hope this means there is mutual interest.

Aresco previously said he would not pursue schools that are not interested in AAC.

Yeah but I get the point. The whole thing could still fall through for a number of reasons. Even if it goes exactly as reported, if Memphis and SMU, for instance, got called up before the MWC join, then they might rethink going through with it.

Even if the AAC lost more schools the point is for those not going to end up in best league possible. They would always be able to backfill any loses

Yeah but there has to be a breakeven point somewhere. If the biggest budget schools left (Memphis, ECU, USF, and SMU) ended up leaving, hard to argue that the MWC isn't the more valuable conference at that point.

(09-16-2021 03:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:02 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC can truly lure a critical mass of MWC schools all the way to San Diego State, then there's another school that the league should be aiming for: Gonzaga.

The map looks ridiculous. I think the only way this works is if you go to 16 or maybe even 18 for a true coast to coast conference.

Going to 14 for football and 15 for basketball might work

As a hypothetical, the AAC adds:

Air Force
Colorado State
Boise State
San Diego State
UNLV
Fresno State
Gonzaga (non-football)

The league then makes sure that basketball and Olympic sports have regionally-focused schedules.

The bottom line argument would be that Boise State football plus Gonzaga basketball are the headliners to get ESPN to keep the AAC TV contract at (or at least near) the current level. Now, I'm not sure if that's actually going to be the case, but this might be the only option that's semi-realistic to keep the existing revenue intact.

Wow. You actually think this will happen? I think an AAC with 6 MWC schools plus Gonzaga has about a 1% chance of happening. I’m obviously not seeing what you guys are.

I don't know about the Gonzaga part, but what is the downside? Are you just hell bent on Army being added?

(09-16-2021 03:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:02 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC can truly lure a critical mass of MWC schools all the way to San Diego State, then there's another school that the league should be aiming for: Gonzaga.

The map looks ridiculous. I think the only way this works is if you go to 16 or maybe even 18 for a true coast to coast conference.

Going to 14 for football and 15 for basketball might work

As a hypothetical, the AAC adds:

Air Force
Colorado State
Boise State
San Diego State
UNLV
Fresno State
Gonzaga (non-football)

The league then makes sure that basketball and Olympic sports have regionally-focused schedules.

The bottom line argument would be that Boise State football plus Gonzaga basketball are the headliners to get ESPN to keep the AAC TV contract at (or at least near) the current level. Now, I'm not sure if that's actually going to be the case, but this might be the only option that's semi-realistic to keep the existing revenue intact.

Wow. You actually think this will happen? I think an AAC with 6 MWC schools plus Gonzaga has about a 1% chance of happening. I’m obviously not seeing what you guys are.

People getting hyped on a target list. Like when the Big XII said their top targets were Notre Dame and Arkansas.

(09-16-2021 03:31 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

Quote:I think almost everybody here knew that the MWC would be the first target. After that you fall back on other G5 conferences. Say Boise and SDSU say no... UAB is a lock with maybe CSU and AFA... then who is 4th at that point? Marshall?

Most did. Just like most knew the Big 12 would raid the AAC and not the other way around. I just get tired of being right and these same people come back and call me an idiot. Mindblowing.

UAB is the only lock outside of the MWC. The whole plan really centers around CSU. I’ve heard they are actively listening and could go with or without Boise.
If CSU, there’s a good chance Air Force goes. The old commandant is gone and the newer one is more open. If we get those three, there is a chance we stop at 11. I think the philosophy is that those three add a certain value. Adding more doesn’t necessarily mean more money. There’s a point of dilution.

Marshal happens if all MWC schools decline. I think we might stop at 10 with just uab and Marshall. The contract would decrease, so it’s definitely plan B.

I have no source on this, but I have a heavy hunch that if we land CSU and AF, then grab UAB… we’ll have one more call with Army before calling it a day. No Air Force and I don’t think army happens.

Agree.. I am sure that the MW schools are already thinking of a Mountain West post Boise with the rumors of Boise St to BIG 12. They would be well served to position themselves regardless of what Boise decides.

FAU and UTSA are the backup plan? Good Lord.

Quote:Honestly, I think if you can get just about any 2 of the ones mentioned, even if neither are Boise, you'll get all 4.

I don't think any will want to stay for the uncertainty ahead at that point. The AAC/ESPN will be tossing a number around. The adjusted MWC value will be up in the air.

Oh absolutely. I’ve got friends in Breckinridge that we stay in their cabin. He told me CSU has been wanting a change and the reason I said it hinges on them is because Boise as usual is always non commital and slow to act, which is ok. It’s a big move.
CSU has shown way more interest and signaled they are interested. Absolutely Boise makes it happen if they choose… but I mentioned CSU as the lynchpin because right now, they are the most likely to say yes.

We’ll see if Fox and crew up the money to help keep them.

Espn wanted to keep Boise. They may now get their wish.

(09-16-2021 03:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:39 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:22 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:17 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Weird, I was called an idiot, and told I was wrong because Aresco wasn’t contacting any MWC teams.
I literally said they are coming concentrating on Air Force and CSU as a way to open up a western division.

Followed it up with saying UAB was being considered and not App St, none of the Louisiana schools and all the others listed…. And look who was right again. Damn, it’s like all the posters from other conference that keep saying I am wrong… are wrong themselves.

Here’s the deal, he’s offering five with the hope of landing 4 but would settle with 3 for now.

Boise state is the only schools thay fully replaces the value of Central Florida. They are the easy path to maintaining our current deal. Boise, AF and CSU would keep us right where we are.

SDSU is being added to help get Boise. If Boise says no, the SDSU offer dries up and they will push for the remaining three.
We will take AF, CSU and UAB if they accept, and probably stop there if Boise isn’t in the mix.

UAB is in, no matter what. I may not love some of their posters, since I think they have acted in a manner that we just got rid of, but overall they fit academically, have solid tv numbers and it’s happening. No way around it.

CSUs interest is a problem for Marshal. If we don’t get any MWC, then marshal becomes an option. I’ve heard we would take this two and then maybe pause and evaluate. Our tv deal would take a hit but could be as little as 15-20% with those two.

Lastly, I am hearing there is no 14-16 team model. More teams isn’t working out to more money. Aresco is doing his work and really trying to get espn to help us. They can be active in all of this since the MWC isn’t their partner. They are offering Boise featured time slots and better exposure. The money will be about equal to what they get now… tiny bit more.

I think almost everybody here knew that the MWC would be the first target. After that you fall back on other G5 conferences. Say Boise and SDSU say no... UAB is a lock with maybe CSU and AFA... then who is 4th at that point? Marshall?

It's already been stated who the next targets are. FAU and UTSA.

I personally feel like both a good targets.

The top 7 targets are: The 4 MWC programs, UAB, FAU, and UTSA.

Your definition of "good" is subjective, but hey at least with FAU and UTSA ECU basketball starts looking a lot better!!!

Correct, good is subjective, although I feel UTSA and FAU will be good in football this year by anyone's standards. They also bring good markets, and I am sure Aresco has run both by ESPN.

Both need help in basketball.

(09-16-2021 03:51 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:24 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:02 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:57 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC can truly lure a critical mass of MWC schools all the way to San Diego State, then there's another school that the league should be aiming for: Gonzaga.

The map looks ridiculous. I think the only way this works is if you go to 16 or maybe even 18 for a true coast to coast conference.

Going to 14 for football and 15 for basketball might work

As a hypothetical, the AAC adds:

Air Force
Colorado State
Boise State
San Diego State
UNLV
Fresno State
Gonzaga (non-football)

The league then makes sure that basketball and Olympic sports have regionally-focused schedules.

The bottom line argument would be that Boise State football plus Gonzaga basketball are the headliners to get ESPN to keep the AAC TV contract at (or at least near) the current level. Now, I'm not sure if that's actually going to be the case, but this might be the only option that's semi-realistic to keep the existing revenue intact.

Wow. You actually think this will happen? I think an AAC with 6 MWC schools plus Gonzaga has about a 1% chance of happening. I’m obviously not seeing what you guys are.

People getting hyped on a target list. Like when the Big XII said their top targets were Notre Dame and Arkansas.

Was Notre Dame and Arkansas ever leaked by someone that was legit? Because the only major legit leaks I remember including coming from Dodd was the exact teams that ended up happening.

(09-16-2021 03:55 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  FAU and UTSA are the backup plan? Good Lord.

Yeah that's to me, but what isn't that as the backup plan? I guess Marshall, but all the plans start to look very bad if plan A doesn't work.

(09-16-2021 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 03:55 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  FAU and UTSA are the backup plan? Good Lord.

Yeah that's to me, but what isn't that as the backup plan? I guess Marshall, but all the plans start to look very bad if plan A doesn't work.

There are zero good plans besides the MWC raid .. That's why i think Aresco will find a way to make it happen.

(09-16-2021 03:55 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  FAU and UTSA are the backup plan? Good Lord.

The REAL backup plan is that SMU/Memphis get on the phone with some of the better MW teams and they hold an airport meeting.

At that point of the evening, you'll see who your REAL friends are in the room.