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…before UC even joins?

More than one report saying Houston and TCU were seriously considered fir the PAC - and still might happen. Kansas makes no secret that it’s shopping itself and isn’t happy. The Dude of WV continues to claim the mountaineers are off to the ACC.

Not that I believe anyone will be invited, but everyone knows that if an invite is extended, they will bolt in no time flat.

The P12 president debunked the rumor about Houston/TCU.

Nobody wants Kansas. They stink at FB and don’t have a Rutgers level media market to make up for that.

Anything is possible, but I doubt it. If you go through one by one, and ask how does this make the conference they are going to more money, it falls apart pretty quick.

They tried as a conference to do an alliance and I'm sure every team put out feelers to other conferences...how'd that pan out? Thus, they decided to expand to survive. I believe they created a conference that there will be growing interest in from day one with the new arrivals. Football will be better than expected and hoops may in fact be one of the top 3 conferences top to bottom.

I don’t think realignment will ever be over.

(09-14-2021 09:28 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Anything is possible, but I doubt it. If you go through one by one, and ask how does this make the conference they are going to more money, it falls apart pretty quick.

You nailed it. Money is the ONLY motivation for realignment. Nobody in the new Big12 makes any other conference enough money to justify poaching.

(09-14-2021 10:04 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  They tried as a conference to do an alliance and I'm sure every team put out feelers to other conferences...how'd that pan out? Thus, they decided to expand to survive. I believe they created a conference that there will be growing interest in from day one with the new arrivals. Football will be better than expected and hoops may in fact be one of the top 3 conferences top to bottom.

I'm really looking forward to it. Cincinnati deserves it. The town and the school.

The B12 is the new AAC.

All of the old members screaming to get out...but nobody's listening.

I guess that would make us the ECU of the league. Just dang glad to be here.

(09-15-2021 05:27 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The B12 is the new AAC.

All of the old members screaming to get out...but nobody's listening.

I guess that would make us the ECU of the league. Just dang glad to be here.

I think it is more akin to Big East 2.0. All the teams wanted out, but the conference was still playing for something.

(09-14-2021 09:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P12 president debunked the rumor about Houston/TCU.

Nobody wants Kansas. They stink at FB and don’t have a Rutgers level media market to make up for that.

Agreed. And I'll add that West Virginia's academic ranking kept them out of the ACC years ago and I can't imagine that's changed, despite the delusions of the Dude. So he's suggesting that conference's choice for expansion would be a school that would immediately have the lowest academic profile among all their flagship institutions? Why would they expand by one school to do that?

The bus is driven by TV eyes and FB. What B12 team moves the TV needle for P12 enough to justify? What B12 team moves the TV needle for B10 enough to justify? What B12 team moves the TV needle for ACC enough to justify?

Let's examine:

ISU is second fiddle in small state.
KS is awful FB is small state,
KSU - see ISU
OKS - see ISU
BU, TCU, UH, TT all are third fiddle to TX, TAM
BYU would have been a good P12 add if the wanted to add with BSU as the balancing act.
If the ACC wanted to expand UC and UCF would have been the best options not WVU.

Realignment is not over but it is over for now.

(09-15-2021 06:42 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P12 president debunked the rumor about Houston/TCU.

Nobody wants Kansas. They stink at FB and don’t have a Rutgers level media market to make up for that.

Agreed. And I'll add that West Virginia's academic ranking kept them out of the ACC years ago and I can't imagine that's changed, despite the delusions of the Dude. So he's suggesting that conference's choice for expansion would be a school that would immediately have the lowest academic profile among all their flagship institutions? Why would they expand by one school to do that?

Sadly, UC's diminishing USN&WR ranking would probably keep us out of the ACC too. We're tied with Ole Miss now, and at the rate we're declining (down nineteen points since Ono left), we may be ranked below Louisville and WVU before long (try to imagine Louisville dropping a black ball on us because our academics don't measure up to ACC requirements).

UC needs to tighten its admission standards now. I take no pride in gargantuan enrollments comprised of kids who are destined to opt out or flunk out before graduating.

(09-15-2021 08:44 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 06:42 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P12 president debunked the rumor about Houston/TCU.

Nobody wants Kansas. They stink at FB and don’t have a Rutgers level media market to make up for that.

Agreed. And I'll add that West Virginia's academic ranking kept them out of the ACC years ago and I can't imagine that's changed, despite the delusions of the Dude. So he's suggesting that conference's choice for expansion would be a school that would immediately have the lowest academic profile among all their flagship institutions? Why would they expand by one school to do that?

Sadly, UC's diminishing USN&WR ranking would probably keep us out of the ACC too. We're tied with Ole Miss now, and at the rate we're declining (down nineteen points since Ono left), we may be ranked below Louisville and WVU before long (try to imagine Louisville dropping a black ball on us because our academics don't measure up to ACC requirements).

UC needs to tighten its admission standards now. I take no pride in gargantuan enrollments comprised of kids who are destined to opt out or flunk out before graduating.

If you were to look at UC’s fact book, it has actually grown the under 20 ACT cataegory in recent years. Along with the over 30. I don’t know why this is, but found it interesting. I thought there was a 22 minimum, or did that change?

(09-15-2021 08:51 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:44 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 06:42 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P12 president debunked the rumor about Houston/TCU.

Nobody wants Kansas. They stink at FB and don’t have a Rutgers level media market to make up for that.

Agreed. And I'll add that West Virginia's academic ranking kept them out of the ACC years ago and I can't imagine that's changed, despite the delusions of the Dude. So he's suggesting that conference's choice for expansion would be a school that would immediately have the lowest academic profile among all their flagship institutions? Why would they expand by one school to do that?

Sadly, UC's diminishing USN&WR ranking would probably keep us out of the ACC too. We're tied with Ole Miss now, and at the rate we're declining (down nineteen points since Ono left), we may be ranked below Louisville and WVU before long (try to imagine Louisville dropping a black ball on us because our academics don't measure up to ACC requirements).

UC needs to tighten its admission standards now. I take no pride in gargantuan enrollments comprised of kids who are destined to opt out or flunk out before graduating.

If you were to look at UC’s fact book, it has actually grown the under 20 ACT cataegory in recent years. Along with the over 30. I don’t know why this is, but found it interesting. I thought there was a 22 minimum, or did that change?

There's always hope. I expect the administration to take some of the Big12 money and use it to improve the academic side of UC based on where we fall short in the rankings.

(09-15-2021 05:42 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 05:27 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  The B12 is the new AAC.

All of the old members screaming to get out...but nobody's listening.

I guess that would make us the ECU of the league. Just dang glad to be here.

I think it is more akin to Big East 2.0. All the teams wanted out, but the conference was still playing for something.

Syracuse didn't want out in 2003.

Syracuse was the ACC's second choice in 2003 (after Miami). They chose to stay because Jim Boeheim came out very publicly in favor of staying in the Big East.


The original targets were Miami & Syracuse, and Boston College was their choice for #3 to get to 12 & have a championship game. UVA wanted VT instead of BC, but they were outvoted. UConn filed a lawsuit against the plan on behalf of the 6 remaining football schools (including Virginia Tech). When Syracuse pulled out, Virginia Tech was the replacement.

Sidenote: at the time, Boeheim was in his 35th year at Syracuse. Who would have guessed he'd still be coaching today?

I feel like the Big East was a better conference, but it was so Frankensteined together that it just wasn’t going to last. The new Big12 looks like a solid step up from the AAC, but let’s not kid ourselves. It’s a safe haven for now, but who knows for how long. Have to keep grinding.

(09-15-2021 08:44 AM)colohank Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 06:42 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The P12 president debunked the rumor about Houston/TCU.

Nobody wants Kansas. They stink at FB and don’t have a Rutgers level media market to make up for that.

Agreed. And I'll add that West Virginia's academic ranking kept them out of the ACC years ago and I can't imagine that's changed, despite the delusions of the Dude. So he's suggesting that conference's choice for expansion would be a school that would immediately have the lowest academic profile among all their flagship institutions? Why would they expand by one school to do that?

Sadly, UC's diminishing USN&WR ranking would probably keep us out of the ACC too. We're tied with Ole Miss now, and at the rate we're declining (down nineteen points since Ono left), we may be ranked below Louisville and WVU before long (try to imagine Louisville dropping a black ball on us because our academics don't measure up to ACC requirements).

UC needs to tighten its admission standards now. I take no pride in gargantuan enrollments comprised of kids who are destined to opt out or flunk out before graduating.

That press release every year that says we have a record enrollment doesn’t do anything for you? Lol

UC packing freshmen into the 400 acre campus like it was Allegiant Air on its once a week flight to Fort Meyers.

The business of education.

(09-15-2021 10:30 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I feel like the Big East was a better conference, but it was so Frankensteined together that it just wasn’t going to last. The new Big12 looks like a solid step up from the AAC, but let’s not kid ourselves. It’s a safe haven for now, but who knows for how long. Have to keep grinding.

The long history of collegiate conferences suggests more change than stasis, so I agree UC must remain tuned in to future environmental change and opportunity.

Regarding the old Big East, someone I considered an insider told me years ago that near the end of the BCS 6 era, the Big East was regarded more as an alliance than a conference. Retrospectively, that comment makes a lot of sense. There were clearly two voting blocks with completely different interests: the football schools (all public save one) and the private (basketball only) schools. Compare that with the homogeneity of the Big Ten--almost all large, selective public research universities with common objectives. Plenty of conferences have come and gone while generations of Big Ten alumni have known the same sports rivals and academic relationships. That's been a great place to be for those schools. To spoof an old advertising line from an investment company, "some of those schools got their reputation the old fashioned way--they inherited it." We can all name a few which have definitely done less with more, while UC strived, and succeeded, doing more with less.

(09-15-2021 10:30 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I feel like the Big East was a better conference, but it was so Frankensteined together that it just wasn’t going to last. The new Big12 looks like a solid step up from the AAC, but let’s not kid ourselves. It’s a safe haven for now, but who knows for how long. Have to keep grinding.

The new B12 is more Frankensteined than the BE, geographically at least.

(09-15-2021 11:10 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 10:30 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I feel like the Big East was a better conference, but it was so Frankensteined together that it just wasn’t going to last. The new Big12 looks like a solid step up from the AAC, but let’s not kid ourselves. It’s a safe haven for now, but who knows for how long. Have to keep grinding.

The new B12 is more Frankensteined than the BE, geographically at least.

I mean… yeah. But referring to the small catholic bball schools from the NE, together with the football schools- that had no clearly defined geographic footprint either, and just the shear size of it- was it 16 schools?
Was always a domino away from collapsing. Was fun while it lasted.