Release the tapes

(09-15-2021 02:15 PM)fsquid Wrote:  This guy should die a traitor's death.

When fsquid says something like this, you know stuff is real.

(09-15-2021 02:15 PM)fsquid Wrote:  This guy should die a traitor's death.

If its true he should be immediately arrested, court-martialed and face death by firing squad.

Such behavior cannot be tolerated at the highest ranks of the military.

And anybody he told in the military needs to be immediately discharged.

Kennedy: ‘Milley Has a Lot of Explaining to Do’ — ‘Ought to Stop Bellowing and Honking on Like a Goose About White Rage’


Hawley: If Milley Won’t Resign, He Needs to Be Fired


Rand Paul Urges Milley to Take Polygraph — ‘Immediately Needs to Be Removed’ if China Talks Confirmed


Milley Responds To Bombshell Story That He Told China He’d Warn Them If U.S. Was Going To Strike

Quote:General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, responded through a spokesperson on Wednesday to a bombshell report that was published this week alleging that he told his Chinese counterpart that he would warn the Chinese military if then-President Donald Trump ordered a strike against China.

“The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs regularly communicates with the Chiefs of Defense across the world, including with China and Russia,” the statement said. “These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict.”

The Washington Post reported Tuesday, based on revelations in a forthcoming book from Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, that Milley was allegedly so worried that Trump would strike China that he called and told Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army that the U.S. would not launch a strike and, that if the U.S. did, it would not be a surprise.

“General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be okay. We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you,” Milley reportedly said. “General Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we’re going to attack, I’m going to call you ahead of time. It’s not going to be a surprise.”

The statement from Milley’s spokesperson continued:

His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability. All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense and the interagency.

Also in keeping with his responsibilities as senior military adviser to the President and Secretary of Defense, Milley frequently conducts meetings with uniformed leaders across the Services to ensure all leaders are aware of current issues. The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject.

General Milley continues to act and advise within his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution.

Milley has faced widespread calls to resign over the phone call, including from Trump, who said in a statement, “If the story of ‘Dumba**’ General Mark Milley, the same failed leader who engineered the worst withdrawal from a country, Afghanistan, in U.S. history, leaving behind many dead and wounded soldiers, many American citizens, and $85 Billion worth of the newest and most sophisticated Military equipment in the world, and our Country’s reputation, is true, then I assume he would be tried for TREASON in that he would have been dealing with his Chinese counterpart behind the President’s back and telling China that he would be giving them notification ‘of an attack.’”

“Can’t do that!” Trump continued. “The good news is that the story is Fake News concocted by a weak and ineffective General together with two authors who I refused to give an interview to because they write fiction, not fact. Actions should be taken immediately against Milley, and better generals in our Military, of which we have many, should get involved so that another Afghanistan disaster never happens again. Remember, I was the one who took out 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. Milley said it couldn’t be done!”

“For the record, I never even thought of attacking China—and China knows that,” Trump concluded. “The people that fabricated the story are sick and demented, and the people who print it are just as bad. In fact, I’m the only President in decades who didn’t get the U.S. into a war—a well known fact that is seldom reported.”

New Twist to the Milley Story Raises Even More Questions

Quote:There’s a new twist to the reporting about the actions of Gen. Mark Milley and his alleged contacts with the Chinese that have raised so much concern.

As we previously reported, it’s completely improper for Milley to have had any contact with them without it being at the behest of the president and the reporting said it clearly wasn’t.

Now Axios and Josh Rogin, who is one of the few good reporters at The Washington Post, are reporting some interesting information.

Axios is saying that there were two calls from Milley — one on October 30 and one on Jan. 8. But there was also a communication to the Chinese initiated by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, that went from lower levels to the Chinese because of Pentagon concerns in October that the Chinese were getting bad intelligence about our intentions. Esper directed his policy office to issue a backchannel message to the Chinese to reassure them the U.S. had no intention of seeking a military confrontation. That the Milley call later in October was a follow-up to those backchannel messages. The report says it is not clear that Trump was ever told or knew about these actions.

So there’s a lot to unpack there. But again, unless it’s precipitated by the president, such calls/contacts appear to be improper. The Jan. 8 call, especially, to such a high level person in China is going rogue by Milley. Milley doesn’t have the right to conduct foreign policy. It just means that we have to add Mark Esper to the people who may have acted improperly and need to answer up here. It isn’t the responsibility of the Secretary of Defense to conduct foreign policy.

But there’s also another problem here. Esper wasn’t even Secretary of Defense on Jan. 8 — he was fired in November 2020 and replaced by Christopher Miller. So whose authority was Milley operating under? It wasn’t from Trump or Esper.

It also means that if this story is true, they lose their crazy story/excuse about this being about the election and Jan. 6. Then it had nothing at all to do with that but with trying to operate around Trump, without any of that alleged “justification.”

Now, we can’t leave out that Woodward may just be adding a lot of spin into this to help sell his book.

But it’s clear that Mark Milley, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and now Mark Esper need to be questioned by Congress as to what was going on here, because if these reports are true, it surely does look like people were trying to subvert the president of the United States.

Trump acting Defense Secretary Miller says he 'did not' authorize Milley China calls, says he should resign

Quote:EXCLUSIVE: Former acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller, who led the Pentagon from the period after the 2020 election through Inauguration Day, said that he "did not and would not ever authorize" Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley to have "secret" calls with his Chinese counterpart, describing the allegations as a "disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination," and calling on him to resign "immediately."

In a statement to Fox News, Miller said that the United States Armed Forces, from its inception, has "operated under the inviolable principle of civilian control of the military."

"The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the highest-ranking military officer whose sole role is providing military-specific advice to the president, and by law is prohibited from exercising executive authority to command forces," Miller said. "The chain of command runs from the President to the Secretary of Defense, not through the Chairman."

Miller went on to reference the allegations, which are included in the book "Peril," co-written by Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa, that Milley made two secret phone calls, both to his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People’s Liberation Army. The book alleges that the phone calls took place prior to the 2020 presidential election, on Oct. 30, 2020, and then two days after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, on Jan. 8, 2021.

The book claims Milley contacted Li after he had reviewed intelligence that suggested Chinese officials believed the United States was planning an attack on China amid military exercises in the South China Sea. The authors of the book also claim Milley contacted Li a second time to reassure him that the U.S. would not make any type of advances or attack China in any form, as Milley promised, "We are 100% steady. Everything’s fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes."

But Fox News spoke with multiple individuals who were in the room during the two phone calls Milley had with Li. The calls, in October, were coordinated with then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper’s office.

"They were not secret," a U.S. official told Fox News about the calls, which took place over video teleconference.

Fox News has learned there were about 15 people present for the calls. Sources told Fox News that there were multiple notetakers present, and said the calls were both conducted with full knowledge of then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper and then-acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller – something Miller denied.

"If the reporting in Woodward’s book is accurate, it represents a disgraceful and unprecedented act of insubordination by the Nation’s top military officer," Miller said, adding that if the story of Milley’s "histrionic outbursts and unsanctioned, anti-Constitutional involvement in foreign policy prove true, he must resign immediately or be fired by the Secretary of Defense to guarantee the sanctity of the officer corps."

"Pursuit of partisan politics and individual self-interests are a violation of an officer’s sacred duty and have no place in the United States military," Miller said, adding that "a lesser ranking officer accused of such behavior would immediately be relieved of duty pending a thorough and independent investigation."

"As secretary of defense, I did not and would not ever authorize such conduct," Miller said.

Miller went on to explain that "the reason" he agreed to serve as former President Trump’s Secretary of Defense was "because of his commitment to our service members, veterans and their families and his focus on ending our involvement in overseas operations that lacked strategic coherence."

"Any accusations that President Trump was intent on starting a war with China are completely unfounded," Miller said. "President Trump absolutely believed and advocated for a more aggressive approach to China, but he was elected to end our Nation’s wars, not start new ones. I was proud to play a small role in achieving those goals."

Miller added: "I look forward to a full, non-partisan investigation of the accusations made by Woodward to guarantee that the genius of our Founders and following generations that established a system and culture of the subservience of our military – the most powerful force in our Nation – to civilian control endures."

And former chief of staff for the Department of Defense Kash Patel told Fox News that "the law governing the Joint Chiefs of Staff specifically forbids the chairman from exercising any operational command authority."

"Congress put this in the statute because the U.S. military is to be led by a civilian, the commander-in-chief," Patel continued. "Furthermore, by law, the national command authority goes from the president to the secretary of Defense to include anything relating troop deployments, operations in theaters of war, and nuclear command."

Patel added that if the calls with China are true, Milley "has violated the law regarding operational authority."

"Calling a foreign counterpart and discussing operational capabilities against that enemy is literally treasonous," Patel said. "The White House, nor the Office of the Secretary of Defense authorized the chairman to conduct any calls with Chinese officials regarding operations."

And deputy chief of staff to the Department of Defense Joe Francescon also told Fox News that it was "the policy at the time that there was no senior government engagement with China, owing to their bad acts and efforts."

Francescon added that it was the "blanket policy at the time not to have high-level engagement with the Chinese on matters like this," and added that Miller and his office were "not told in advance of any call to the Chinese specifically."

"At most, they were presented that Milley was calling foreign allies and partners to reassure them," he said.

But spokesman for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Col. Dave Butler is defending allegations of "secret" calls with his Chinese counterpart, saying the conversations are "vital" to "reducing tensions" and "avoiding unintended consequences or conflict," maintaining that the calls were coordinated with high-level defense officials.

"The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs regularly communicates with Chiefs of Defense across the world, including with China and Russia. These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict," Milley spokesman Col. Dave Butler said in a statement Wednesday.

Butler said that Milley's calls "with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability."

"All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense and the interagency," Butler said.

"Also in keeping with his responsibilities as senior military advisor to the President and Secretary of Defense, General Milley frequently conducts meetings with uniformed leaders across the Services to ensure all leaders are aware of current issues," Butler continued. "The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject."

Butler added: "General Milley continues to act and advise within his authority in the lawful tradition of civilian control of the military and his oath to the Constitution."

Meanwhile, a U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, maintained that Milley routinely calls his Chinese and Russian counterparts, and explained that he has been speaking to Li for about five years. The source said this is normal for the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

According to the official, there was full civilian oversight of the phone calls, including a representative of the State Department and Milley’s political adviser. Notes of the calls were taken and a summary note was sent to the Defense secretary and the intelligence community, the official said.

"This was not done like some sort of conspiratorial thing," another participant who overheard the conversation told Fox News.

According to those familiar, the October phone call had several topics, one of which focused on the election. The Chinese, according to the sources, were concerned about, what they saw as, instability in the U.S. system. Milley, according to a source, reassured his counterpart that the U.S. is a stable democracy.

Another source said the call was in the context of assuring adversaries that the United States were not planning any military action.

Fox News has learned that Milley had up to 20 phone calls with Li and NATO allies in the wake of the Jan. 6 riot in an effort to reassure them that the U.S. government was stable, and to reassure China that the U.S. did not plan a surprise attack – all in an effort to lower tensions with China during the interim period between the election and inauguration, and to project stability so that adversaries of the U.S. did not take advantage of the domestic turmoil during that period.

The White House is also defending Milley, with White House press secretary Jen Psaki saying the President "has worked side-by-side with Chairman Milley for almost eight months as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs has experienced with him has been that he is a patriot."

"He is somebody who is is has fidelity to the Constitution and he has confidence in his leadership. And the role he has played in his experience with him," Psaki said. "I can't speak to Anonymous, unconfirmed reports about prior conversations during the last administration."

Psaki added that the president "knows Gen. Milley," and said "they've worked side by side through a range of international events."

"The president has complete confidence in his leadership, his patriotism and his fidelity to our Constitution," Psaki said.

(09-15-2021 02:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 02:15 PM)fsquid Wrote:  This guy should die a traitor's death.

If its true he should be immediately arrested, court-martialed and face death by firing squad.

Such behavior cannot be tolerated at the highest ranks of the military.

Well he still gets a trial, we are not barbarians or the twitter mob.

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(09-15-2021 12:38 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 07:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  The problem is that there was no reason to make this call and Milley was not authorized by his boss to make this call.

So either he's trying to take some heat off Biden for Afghanistan or he's an idiot.

I think you are over the target. Sundance has a column today that speaks to this.

Quote:The headline stories today are large, and so is the background as these issues surface. Context becomes increasingly important as each aspect is reviewed. As you look at the stories, remember this context (emphasized as a reminder):

TEAM One – The Department of State is aligned with the CIA. Their media PR firms are CNN, CNNi and the Washington Post. Their ideology is favorable to the United Nations. Their internal corruption is generally driven by relationship with foreign actors. References: Hillary Clinton, Clinton Global Initiative, John McCain, Qatar, Muslim Brotherhood, Samantha Powers, Susan Rice, Cass Sunstein, Brookings Institute, Lawfare, China-centric, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Council on Foreign Relations.

TEAM Two – The White House is aligned with the Pentagon (DoD) and National Security Council (NSC). Their media PR firms are domestic in nature. New York Times, Politico, etc. Their internal corruption is generally driven by domestic influence. References: Barack Obama, George Bush, Wall St, Big Banks, Multinational Corporations, Defense Contractors, FBI (state police), Judicial Branch, and community activists writ large. [Presidential elections only affect Team Two (nationalism -v- globalism). In the modern era Team One is independent.]

Quote:Today CNN, via Bob Woodward [Article Here] and The Washingon Post, via Robert Costa [Article Here] collaborate on a designed hit against one of the key corrupt actors on Team Two, Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley. CTH previously said this was coming: “Look for Joint Chief’s Chairman Mark Milley to be the guy who gets canned to protect Joe Biden. Mark Milley knows this is likely.”

Quote:Yes, General Mark Milley is a power-hungry political manipulator and collaborator with the Deep State, in the effort to undermine President Donald J Trump. We already knew this…. So, why is The WaPo and CNN hitting him now?

The answer is in the problematic sunlight facing the Fourth Branch of Government in the aftermath of the Afghanistan mess. CTH has been writing about this, because we knew a time would come when the coordinating participants were going to fracture in order to protect themselves.

“The deepest, swampiest part of the Deep State is protecting its interests against the outcome of a crisis in Afghanistan they collectively created. The picture has now emerged of their plan to blame the White House, and by extension Joe Biden along with the Pentagon.” Link

“Modify the focus of your prism as you review all new events in/around Afghanistan to see the connective tissue between CNN, the State Department and CIA [strongest institution within the Intelligence Branch]. Then keep in mind, the Senate is in alignment with, and a facilitator for, the Intelligence Branch. As a consequence, the institution of the senate will align with the interests of the State Department; and, by default align with the CIA, intelligence community and CNN reporting.”

You think CNN and the Washington Post only recently came to the understanding that General Mark Milley was a corrupt, politically motivated actor, working on behalf of the interests of the Deep State [4th Branch]? Of course not. They are using the opportunity of this book by Woodward and Costa to hit Milley, place the blame for Afghanistan in his lap, and make him the scapegoat so that Joe Biden and the other participants can avoid further scrutiny. Their play is transparent.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blo...ent-trump/

Yea, but Nah, there's no such thing as the "Deep State". Nor The Swamp.

Call it by whatever name you like, but to deny that the entrenched bureaucracy is a real thing and a clear and present danger is simply stupid and worse horribly naive.

Day to day they have one end goal- Self preservation and protection from real scrutiny.

Dog and pony show "oversight"? Sure, bring it for 4-5 minutes per member, they can obfuscate anything for that brief moment. Real scrutiny? Wake me when I'm dead.

Remember This Milley Moment? "China Is Not An Enemy"

As a CJCS, Milley has no command authority and was not in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

(09-15-2021 08:18 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 08:15 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Trump never gave a order but libs welcome treasonous actions just on the fantasy that’s what Trump ‘could’ do in their TDS mind

Trump never threatened any military action against China. Trade war yes.

Trump was the least militaristic POTUS I can recall since Reagan term 1 perhaps.

But yea, he's gonna start raining nukes down, unprovoked militarily. Right.

Milly's a nut.

Go woke, get broke.

(09-15-2021 03:51 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  As a CJCS, Milley has no command authority and was not in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

So, did he have authority to contact the chinese?

(09-15-2021 04:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 03:51 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  As a CJCS, Milley has no command authority and was not in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

So, did he have authority to contact the chinese?

Yea, apparently the angle here is now- Milley has no responsibility to do or not do much of anything. Potted plant. Wasn't involved in this, no duty to do much of that.

Guess he just one day decided to become the Trump Whisperer and speak for the office of the POTUS without checking in first.

I tend to think that's likely a losing strategy, but Hey! Have at it.

(09-15-2021 04:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 04:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 03:51 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  As a CJCS, Milley has no command authority and was not in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

So, did he have authority to contact the chinese?

Yea, apparently the angle here is now- Milley has no responsibility to do or not do much of anything. Potted plant. Wasn't involved in this, no duty to do much of that.

Guess he just one day decided to become the Trump Whisperer and speak for the office of the POTUS without checking in first.

I tend to think that's likely a losing strategy, but Hey! Have at it.

Its funny the leftist talking points are so contradictory

1. "He just reiterated to others he was to be included in any chain of command orders regarding the nuke codes... because he is part of the chain of command.... meaning he would not have allowed it to go forward.

2. He doesnt command anything... potted plant he is

3. No treason he is a hero because he used his position errr command to stop ummmm something, anything...

4. He wasnt responsible for anything, no command of anything...

The levels people will go to support outright treason and the ongoing destruction of our institutions is sickening.




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(09-15-2021 03:22 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 02:39 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 02:15 PM)fsquid Wrote:  This guy should die a traitor's death.

If its true he should be immediately arrested, court-martialed and face death by firing squad.

Such behavior cannot be tolerated at the highest ranks of the military.

Well he still gets a trial, we are not barbarians or the twitter mob.

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It would be a Court Marshal.

"Well he still gets a trial, we are not barbarians or the twitter mob."

Speak for yourself

Gorka: Milley’s Communication with China Treason

(09-15-2021 05:15 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 04:39 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 04:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 03:51 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  As a CJCS, Milley has no command authority and was not in charge of the Afghanistan withdrawal.

So, did he have authority to contact the chinese?

Yea, apparently the angle here is now- Milley has no responsibility to do or not do much of anything. Potted plant. Wasn't involved in this, no duty to do much of that.

Guess he just one day decided to become the Trump Whisperer and speak for the office of the POTUS without checking in first.

I tend to think that's likely a losing strategy, but Hey! Have at it.

Its funny the leftist talking points are so contradictory

1. "He just reiterated to others he was to be included in any chain of command orders regarding the nuke codes... because he is part of the chain of command.... meaning he would not have allowed it to go forward.

2. He doesnt command anything... potted plant he is

3. No treason he is a hero because he used his position errr command to stop ummmm something, anything...

4. He wasnt responsible for anything, no command of anything...

The levels people will go to support outright treason and the ongoing destruction of our institutions is sickening.




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But given the events of the last two years not surprising, they've been telling us these things for years in snippets. We just haven't been paying attention, can't happen here in America, we are a by God constitutional republic filled with good American people. Pshhhhhh.