(09-14-2021 11:27 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:32 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

The site lines might be top ten, but not the stadium as a whole. Certainly not the game day amenities.

What if we upgraded concessions??? If sightlines are what you want we have them. Do people want to eat steak and not watch the game? What amenities would you like? A pointless waterfall?

The only upside to building an OCS is to upgrade the One Campus experience.

I just don't see it being feasible for a new aluminum stadium being better the the Liberty Bowl as far as watching the game goes.

(09-14-2021 11:27 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:32 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

The site lines might be top ten, but not the stadium as a whole. Certainly not the game day amenities.

What if we upgraded concessions??? If sightlines are what you want we have them. Do people want to eat steak and not watch the game? What amenities would you like? A pointless waterfall?

Chairbacks everywhere. I actually like the party deck things they installed this year but you can tell they are temporary. If they rebuild them into permanent fixtures then fine. Upgraded press boxes and suites. Those guys are so high up. But yeah no, it ain't top 10.

(09-14-2021 11:27 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:32 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

The site lines might be top ten, but not the stadium as a whole. Certainly not the game day amenities.

What if we upgraded concessions??? If sightlines are what you want we have them. Do people want to eat steak and not watch the game? What amenities would you like? A pointless waterfall?

Our own stadium on our campus for starters. Kinda like everyone else (minus the very few exceptions). It would make a huge difference. Instead, we have to rent one from the city. It’s a university that happens to be located in Memphis (Jackson was also strongly considered). It’s not the University of the City of Memphis.

(09-14-2021 12:10 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:27 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

The site lines might be top ten, but not the stadium as a whole. Certainly not the game day amenities.

What if we upgraded concessions??? If sightlines are what you want we have them. Do people want to eat steak and not watch the game? What amenities would you like? A pointless waterfall?

Our own stadium on our campus for starters. Kinda like everyone else (minus the very few exceptions). It would make a huge difference. Instead, we have to rent one from the city. It’s a university that happens to be located in Memphis (Jackson was also strongly considered). It’s not the University of the City of Memphis.

It sounds to me like USF and Memphis got the same memo from the Big XII.....OCS

(09-14-2021 11:56 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:27 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

The site lines might be top ten, but not the stadium as a whole. Certainly not the game day amenities.

What if we upgraded concessions??? If sightlines are what you want we have them. Do people want to eat steak and not watch the game? What amenities would you like? A pointless waterfall?

Chairbacks everywhere. I actually like the party deck things they installed this year but you can tell they are temporary. If they rebuild them into permanent fixtures then fine. Upgraded press boxes and suites. Those guys are so high up. But yeah no, it ain't top 10.

I have not been an OCS advocate, but I do think the specifications for the next LBMS upgrade should be a serious rebuild that would make it a comparable facility to what other schools are building new. It should include new (and lower) press box and suites, covered party decks, 100% chairback seating, and cosmetic improvements. I'm positive all that will run well north of the proposed $50M. Who knows, it might show that it would be more cost effective to build a new one. And if a new one needs to be built, I think most of us agree that it should be build on or adjacent to the campus. But it will take public funding....the city deciding that it would be better off going in on an OCS than continuing to keep LBMS alive.

(09-14-2021 06:37 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 01:25 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 09:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  40 or 50 million more to the Liberty Bowl?

UAB built stadium in concert with State of Alabama?

https://www.aldailynews.com/uab-to-pay-2...n-stadium/

On campus means on campus, I shall not be careful. If he means something like UAB downtown near the law school, why bother

Was anything he said verified by the author?

He's retiring anyway.

Actually he isn’t retiring. He is stepping down from his role as president and taking a year sabbatical. He will return to the university in another capacity, likely as a regents research professor.

And UAB will lease the new stadium not own it. So it’s new not their own OCS.

Yeah I know. That's in the link I posted. He is full of shite. The bjcc and city taxes. Not the State. The city built a new stadium, not uab.

Why so harsh? The guy has a lot to keep up with in his head. So what if he got mixed up whether Alabama or the city of Birmingham paid for it? Whether state or municipal funding, his point was that it took public funding to make it happen.

And in our case, it probably would take some state funding to make it happen. How likely do you think it is that the City of Memphis is going to drop $200M on a new football stadium? Especially on campus, which is what everyone here wants?

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:32 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 01:54 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  The Liberty Bowl has got to be a top 10 stadium in college football. It doesn't get the props it deserves. Does Oregon's stadium suck? Its the same thing! It's not like it's far from campus. South Carolina isn't on campus either

Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your're lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

You obviously haven’t been around. It’s old and dated. We all have great memories here, but face it, it either needs major renovation or build a new stadium. Why sink 100 million into the LB when that gets you about half way to a new stadium.

You really need to see it from an outside perspective, and most people from good schools see at as a dump.

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:32 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 01:54 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  The Liberty Bowl has got to be a top 10 stadium in college football. It doesn't get the props it deserves. Does Oregon's stadium suck? Its the same thing! It's not like it's far from campus. South Carolina isn't on campus either

Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your're lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

Maybe in 1990, in 2021 not so much.

I got an idea tho. Let's erect scaffolding all around and put black drapes on it. Insta party deck.

it's cheaper to build new than to retro fit something to LBS. if you want a cheap on campus stadium then you'll have the bounce house version 2 which is no better than a glorified trailer park.

the plain truth is the city doesn't have the money to repair LBS the way it should be upgraded. the university doesn't have the funds on hand and there isn't a plan in place at the moment to have a campaign to raise money for an OCS. the university should have had that already that card in their back pocket. they've had years to put something together but instead they stood there with their hands in their pockets just hoping someone would one day pick up the phone to give them an invitation.

when you fail to plan then you'll plan to fail and that's where we are at this point and that is just one of the few reasons they didn't get the invite.

(09-14-2021 01:26 PM)TigerinFL Wrote:  it's cheaper to build new than to retro fit something to LBS. if you want a cheap on campus stadium then you'll have the bounce house version 2 which is no better than a glorified trailer park.

the plain truth is the city doesn't have the money to repair LBS the way it should be upgraded. the university doesn't have the funds on hand and there isn't a plan in place at the moment to have a campaign to raise money for an OCS. the university should have had that already that card in their back pocket. they've had years to put something together but instead they stood there with their hands in their pockets just hoping someone would one day pick up the phone to give them an invitation.

when you fail to plan then you'll plan to fail and that's where we are at this point and that is just one of the few reasons they didn't get the invite.

Totally agree.

But, we are where are now, so all you can do is move forward. I’d like the university to bring a plan to build an OCS. Start raising funds. We typically wait until we get passed over (again) and then start talking about this stuff. And then we rarely deliver.

If we do nothing (again), we’ll keep getting passed over. I think the importance of getting into a top conference is so important to the city and university. We get no respect from the rest of the state. Always seen as second or third tier. We’ve finally got our football respectable, let’s get a new stadium and make it where we just can’t be ignored any longer.

(09-14-2021 01:10 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:32 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 01:54 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  The Liberty Bowl has got to be a top 10 stadium in college football. It doesn't get the props it deserves. Does Oregon's stadium suck? Its the same thing! It's not like it's far from campus. South Carolina isn't on campus either

Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your're lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

You obviously haven’t been around. It’s old and dated. We all have great memories here, but face it, it either needs major renovation or build a new stadium. Why sink 100 million into the LB when that gets you about half way to a new stadium.

You really need to see it from an outside perspective, and most people from good schools see at as a dump.

Maybe I need perspective. The steep decks in Starkville are pretty much like falling off a cliff. Vaught Hemingway is a dump as well. The people who say this is a dump only remember the horse stables outside the fairgrounds

(09-14-2021 12:10 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:27 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

The site lines might be top ten, but not the stadium as a whole. Certainly not the game day amenities.

What if we upgraded concessions??? If sightlines are what you want we have them. Do people want to eat steak and not watch the game? What amenities would you like? A pointless waterfall?

Our own stadium on our campus for starters. Kinda like everyone else (minus the very few exceptions). It would make a huge difference. Instead, we have to rent one from the city. It’s a university that happens to be located in Memphis (Jackson was also strongly considered). It’s not the University of the City of Memphis.

(09-14-2021 01:40 PM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 01:10 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:16 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:51 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:32 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

Not even top ten I've been to

It's much better than Vaught Hemingway in Oxford or the absolute dump down in Starkville. But your're lying to yourself if the LB isn't a top stadium

You obviously haven’t been around. It’s old and dated. We all have great memories here, but face it, it either needs major renovation or build a new stadium. Why sink 100 million into the LB when that gets you about half way to a new stadium.

You really need to see it from an outside perspective, and most people from good schools see at as a dump.

Maybe I need perspective. The steep decks in Starkville are pretty much like falling off a cliff. Vaught Hemingway is a dump as well. The people who say this is a dump only remember the horse stables outside the fairgrounds

Unfortunately, those stadiums you mention are from teams that are on the inside. We’re not. We want to get accepted into a better conference. We haven’t put forth the resources in our facilities like the 3 AAC schools that are leaving us.

The Liberty Bowl is too big, too outdated. I could live with an incredibly updated Liberty Bowl, but why spend the money on a facility in an undesirable location when we can build a new one? I’m not saying we’ll be able to raise the funds, but we can expect to get left out when others move up and we don’t. Watch out for USF and others to move past us.

I get it. I'm just saying the only difference between our stadium and Oregon's is press boxes and we're about to spend that money on those. It's considered top 10. We have a great place at the liberty bowl and I wish people would realize it. But I wouldn't waste my time trying to bend to the bid 12s wishes. They will fold

(09-14-2021 01:54 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  The Liberty Bowl has got to be a top 10 stadium in college football. It doesn't get the props it deserves. Does Oregon's stadium suck? Its the same thing! It's not like it's far from campus. South Carolina isn't on campus either

Not close to top 10. Suites are bad & too high, concessions are very limited, limited seat backs,has no RV accommodations & very limited hours before & after games & too large. No restaurants within walking distance. The one thing the LB has always had are great sight lines.

But the adequacy of the LB is not the issue, it's ownership & location.

(09-14-2021 01:56 PM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  I get it. I'm just saying the only difference between our stadium and Oregon's is press boxes and we're about to spend that money on those. It's considered top 10. We have a great place at the liberty bowl and I wish people would realize it. But I wouldn't waste my time trying to bend to the bid 12s wishes. They will fold

This isn’t just about the Big 12. Could be the ACC if enough teams leave. But it’s certainly about not getting stuck in the mess we’re in now. The AAC is in shambles and looks like C-USA. It’s really terrible without the 3 that are leaving, and there aren’t any decent candidates to replace them with. I really doubt any MWC team would go here, so it leaves us with C-USA and the Sunbelt. Ouch…

You’re comparing our stadium with others that are already in top conferences. When you’re trying to move up, you need to be a top candidate. Look at Louisville, TCU, Houston, UCF, and Cinci and you’ll see they put big money into renovations or new stadiums. We are still talking about press boxes (for how long)?

(09-14-2021 01:56 PM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  I get it. I'm just saying the only difference between our stadium and Oregon's is press boxes and we're about to spend that money on those. It's considered top 10. We have a great place at the liberty bowl and I wish people would realize it. But I wouldn't waste my time trying to bend to the bid 12s wishes. They will fold

I've been to the Liberty Bowl and this is the first time I have ever heard that place described as a top ten college stadium. It has more in common with Legion Field, the Independence Bowl, and the old Orange Bowl then it does with any Big XII stadium.

(09-14-2021 03:30 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 01:56 PM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  I get it. I'm just saying the only difference between our stadium and Oregon's is press boxes and we're about to spend that money on those. It's considered top 10. We have a great place at the liberty bowl and I wish people would realize it. But I wouldn't waste my time trying to bend to the bid 12s wishes. They will fold

I've been to the Liberty Bowl and this is the first time I have ever heard that place described as a top ten college stadium.

It's a good place to watch a game. There is not a bad seat. Its infinitely better than the cold concrete empty behemoth it was 30 years ago.

It's just not a college football stadium. Its a monument to a failed attempt to get an NFL team and a testament to the stupidity/gullibility/incompetence of university leadership.

Memphis v errrybody. Stupidist shite ever for a National univ. Very cool for a high school.

Frick it. The right people are in charge now but it's an uphill battle.

Who the hell other than the Grizzlies has adopted your stupid Memphis v. Errbody quote you use so much? Certainly not UofM.

(09-14-2021 02:01 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 01:54 AM)Oceana Tiger Wrote:  The Liberty Bowl has got to be a top 10 stadium in college football. It doesn't get the props it deserves. Does Oregon's stadium suck? Its the same thing! It's not like it's far from campus. South Carolina isn't on campus either

Not close to top 10. Suites are bad & too high, concessions are very limited, limited seat backs,has no RV accommodations & very limited hours before & after games & too large. No restaurants within walking distance. The one thing the LB has always had are great sight lines.

But the adequacy of the LB is not the issue, it's ownership & location.

Autzen stadium in Oregon is ranked #7 and it's the same exact stadium literally. Besides press boxes. We are spending 50 million to upgrade them. You can't control restaurants in the area but in my opinion the best places to eat are less that a mile away from the bowl