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(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

It bears mentioning that while maybe we’re bad in Football right now (or maybe we just had a bad game), that nevertheless overall athletically Rice is elite (for a G5) Nearly half our sports are or have been nationally ranked top 25 in the last couple years. We were top in Directors Cup last year and near the top among AAC teams and all of G5s.

Men’s Basketball has improved back up to “mediocre” and has some good promise for this year with the entire core returning.

I am also keenly aware that football drives the bus and that our football is not where it needs to be to pull our weight in a league like the AAC.

But I’m quite proud of our athletics overall. That is all!

I think if Rice were willing to make the commitments Tulane and SMU made in terms of facilities, coaching budgets, and academic admissions exceptions they'd be for sure #10. All of those are things you guys can just make the choice to do tomorrow, but do you really want to?
A question in my mind about Rice for the last decade plus.
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(09-14-2021 10:02 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ha, thanks.

Apps focus and mission is to create value for the Western portion of NC and the greater state of NC.

Teachers, Nurses, Accountants, Renewable Energy Engineers, journalists, and physical therapists. These are what App does. App does it very well. Best teachers in the nation. A top accounting program in the state. Renewable energy program that has beaten MIT, Berkeley, Harvard, etc for years in solar completions. Nurses I'm every NC hospitals, etc etc etc.

App's goal is to out blue collar the rest of the UNC system. And they do it real well. Alumni are in about every meaningful aspect of every day life in NC. App's reputation in the state is top tier.

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What makes you think LaTex14 is a La Tech fan? I actually think LaTex said he actually wasn't a Tech fan...but that he lives in Texas and has Louisiana ties?

I wish more people would put their actual school in the "I root for" section instead of just "College sports", "the underdog", "expanded playoff", "alma mater", etc.

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I have to think Rice and UAB are 1-2 if I take the comments from Aresco about best all around additions at his word. It's the last two that are tricky, but I'm gonna lean GSU and Coastal with ODU on the outside looking in. I'd say Marshall, App St, Charlotte and Buffalo have excellent chances as well.

1. UAB
2. Rice
3. GSU
4. Coastal
5. Marshall
6. App St.
7. ODU
8. Buffalo
9. Charlotte

Somewhere in that order more or less.
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(09-14-2021 11:42 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I have to think Rice and UAB are 1-2 if I take the comments from Aresco about best all around additions at his word. It's the last two that are tricky, but I'm gonna lean GSU and Coastal with ODU on the outside looking in. I'd say Marshall, App St, Charlotte and Buffalo have excellent chances as well.

1. UAB
2. Rice
3. GSU
4. Coastal
5. Marshall
6. App St.
7. ODU
8. Buffalo
9. Charlotte

Somewhere in that order more or less.
Maybe 6 of those on a short list. They only need 4. Hell, they may cut it to 4 knowing any of those will accept
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(09-14-2021 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 07:59 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

It bears mentioning that while maybe we’re bad in Football right now (or maybe we just had a bad game), that nevertheless overall athletically Rice is elite (for a G5) Nearly half our sports are or have been nationally ranked top 25 in the last couple years. We were top in Directors Cup last year and near the top among AAC teams and all of G5s.

Men’s Basketball has improved back up to “mediocre” and has some good promise for this year with the entire core returning.

I am also keenly aware that football drives the bus and that our football is not where it needs to be to pull our weight in a league like the AAC.

But I’m quite proud of our athletics overall. That is all!

I think if Rice were willing to make the commitments Tulane and SMU made in terms of facilities, coaching budgets, and academic admissions exceptions they'd be for sure #10. All of those are things you guys can just make the choice to do tomorrow, but do you really want to?
A question in my mind about Rice for the last decade plus.

To be honest though I had the exact same questions about Tulane for just as long and then they all of a sudden decided to do it. Doesn't mean they've been great in either major sport but they've made major strides and committed major resources and they are not really a joke in either. They are actually quietly legit good in football right now, and with your former coach they've been improving in hoops a ton since the Dunlevey disaster. So while I'm openly skeptical Rice would do it, they absolutely could surprise me and do it.
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(09-14-2021 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 07:59 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

It bears mentioning that while maybe we’re bad in Football right now (or maybe we just had a bad game), that nevertheless overall athletically Rice is elite (for a G5) Nearly half our sports are or have been nationally ranked top 25 in the last couple years. We were top in Directors Cup last year and near the top among AAC teams and all of G5s.

Men’s Basketball has improved back up to “mediocre” and has some good promise for this year with the entire core returning.

I am also keenly aware that football drives the bus and that our football is not where it needs to be to pull our weight in a league like the AAC.

But I’m quite proud of our athletics overall. That is all!

I think if Rice were willing to make the commitments Tulane and SMU made in terms of facilities, coaching budgets, and academic admissions exceptions they'd be for sure #10. All of those are things you guys can just make the choice to do tomorrow, but do you really want to?
A question in my mind about Rice for the last decade plus.

To be honest though I had the exact same questions about Tulane for just as long and then they all of a sudden decided to do it. Doesn't mean they've been great in either major sport but they've made major strides and committed major resources and they are not really a joke in either. They are actually quietly legit good in football right now, and with your former coach they've been improving in hoops a ton since the Dunlevey disaster. So while I'm openly skeptical Rice would do it, they absolutely could surprise me and do it.
Thats the question in my mind. When do they decide to do it? Do they? Is the AAC enough of a carrot?
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(09-14-2021 12:42 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 07:59 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  It bears mentioning that while maybe we’re bad in Football right now (or maybe we just had a bad game), that nevertheless overall athletically Rice is elite (for a G5) Nearly half our sports are or have been nationally ranked top 25 in the last couple years. We were top in Directors Cup last year and near the top among AAC teams and all of G5s.

Men’s Basketball has improved back up to “mediocre” and has some good promise for this year with the entire core returning.

I am also keenly aware that football drives the bus and that our football is not where it needs to be to pull our weight in a league like the AAC.

But I’m quite proud of our athletics overall. That is all!

I think if Rice were willing to make the commitments Tulane and SMU made in terms of facilities, coaching budgets, and academic admissions exceptions they'd be for sure #10. All of those are things you guys can just make the choice to do tomorrow, but do you really want to?
A question in my mind about Rice for the last decade plus.

To be honest though I had the exact same questions about Tulane for just as long and then they all of a sudden decided to do it. Doesn't mean they've been great in either major sport but they've made major strides and committed major resources and they are not really a joke in either. They are actually quietly legit good in football right now, and with your former coach they've been improving in hoops a ton since the Dunlevey disaster. So while I'm openly skeptical Rice would do it, they absolutely could surprise me and do it.
Thats the question in my mind. When do they decide to do it?

Maybe never. It's why I would hope they only way they'd get added is if they made firm commitments in writing about things they would do, not just real empty promises. There's always been the assumption that the private schools would for sure vouch for them, but some of the SMU people make it sound like it's not a guarantee SMU would.
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(09-14-2021 12:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:42 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:58 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I think if Rice were willing to make the commitments Tulane and SMU made in terms of facilities, coaching budgets, and academic admissions exceptions they'd be for sure #10. All of those are things you guys can just make the choice to do tomorrow, but do you really want to?
A question in my mind about Rice for the last decade plus.

To be honest though I had the exact same questions about Tulane for just as long and then they all of a sudden decided to do it. Doesn't mean they've been great in either major sport but they've made major strides and committed major resources and they are not really a joke in either. They are actually quietly legit good in football right now, and with your former coach they've been improving in hoops a ton since the Dunlevey disaster. So while I'm openly skeptical Rice would do it, they absolutely could surprise me and do it.
Thats the question in my mind. When do they decide to do it?

Maybe never. It's why I would hope they only way they'd get added is if they made firm commitments in writing about things they would do, not just real empty promises. There's always been the assumption that the private schools would for sure vouch for them, but some of the SMU people make it sound like it's not a guarantee SMU would.
Truthfully all of the candidates will have to make commitments to spending, stadium improvements, facilities etc. None are at $50M annual budget and anda few need stadium improvements if Aresco and Co. waht to keep that separation. Will be an interesting few weeks.
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(09-14-2021 10:57 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
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(09-13-2021 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.

Buffalo is a flagship university with close to 30,000 students, first among equals among New York's four main SUNY campuses. (The other three are Albany, Stony Brook, and Binghamton.)

Buffalo may be too far outside the American's new footprint to be worth consideration, but is it neither small nor niche.

Yea I thought the same thing. Of all the reasons not to pick UB the top three, at this point

1 - Location
2 - Location
3 - Current Stadium

If the AAC wants to pick "footprint" schools then Buffalo makes little sense. Given the Bulls can and have used the Bills Stadium (and the Bills are angling for a new one which likely lands Downtown) then they check all the boxes

* Budget is already in AAC range (45 million last year)
* Academics would be near the top of the AAC
* Athletics has had good success for 5 years
* Market is right around #50 in the nation
* State Flagship^


^ - NY has no official flagship but UB has the largest enrollment, highest endowment, most history, highest Athletics, and is AAU/R1 university ranked in the top 50 public colleges nationally

Plus Buffalo offers a decent travel partner with Temple only being 380 miles away. 6 hour 17 minute drive according to Google. I know most AAC schools fly everywhere though.

And keeping the western schools in mind, Southwest already flies to Buffalo.
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(09-14-2021 11:42 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I have to think Rice and UAB are 1-2 if I take the comments from Aresco about best all around additions at his word. It's the last two that are tricky, but I'm gonna lean GSU and Coastal with ODU on the outside looking in. I'd say Marshall, App St, Charlotte and Buffalo have excellent chances as well.

1. UAB
2. Rice
3. GSU
4. Coastal
5. Marshall
6. App St.
7. ODU
8. Buffalo
9. Charlotte

Somewhere in that order more or less.

I don’t see Coastal being a realistic candidate.

I think it’s either Marshall or App State, because they have similar profiles.

I’d put Georgia State in a category with ODU and UNCC. If the conference wants to maintain a northern presence, then it becomes even more complicated.
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(09-14-2021 04:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:42 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I have to think Rice and UAB are 1-2 if I take the comments from Aresco about best all around additions at his word. It's the last two that are tricky, but I'm gonna lean GSU and Coastal with ODU on the outside looking in. I'd say Marshall, App St, Charlotte and Buffalo have excellent chances as well.

1. UAB
2. Rice
3. GSU
4. Coastal
5. Marshall
6. App St.
7. ODU
8. Buffalo
9. Charlotte

Somewhere in that order more or less.

I don’t see Coastal being a realistic candidate.

I think it’s either Marshall or App State, because they have similar profiles.

I’d put Georgia State in a category with ODU and UNCC. If the conference wants to maintain a northern presence, then it becomes even more complicated.

UMass and Buffalo are the pool of available northern schools. UMass football will put an immediate end to UMass’ consideration. Buffalo has a better resume but are they worth enough to justify expanding the conference footprint? I doubt it and I don’t think the conference will place any particular value on having members north of Temple.
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I don’t think Temple is a program you want to build around… aside from a rival for Army and/or Navy. Marshall is a good historical fit. I’m gonna say they lean toward Marshall to play things safe, but I also feel they need another Carolina school or two.

I can see Marshall with an App St. Or GSU ODU for a more southeast centric flair. I think USF has some pull, and Memphis so long as they remain sidelined from the Big 12. If they like GSU and/or Coastal, you can see the trigger be pulled in that direction. But yeah, Marshall is the safe pick and Aresco probably goes no further north than that.

Of the South Eastern schools, I’m gonna lean towards GSU. Coastal and App are too uni-dimensional.
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I removed USNWR from any consideration if they keep giving the cheaters in North Carolina high marks with fake classes.
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(09-14-2021 07:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I removed USNWR from any consideration if they keep giving the cheaters in North Carolina high marks with fake classes.

That’s soooo ten years ago
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