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(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

It bears mentioning that while maybe we’re bad in Football right now (or maybe we just had a bad game), that nevertheless overall athletically Rice is elite (for a G5) Nearly half our sports are or have been nationally ranked top 25 in the last couple years. We were top in Directors Cup last year and near the top among AAC teams and all of G5s.

Men’s Basketball has improved back up to “mediocre” and has some good promise for this year with the entire core returning.

I am also keenly aware that football drives the bus and that our football is not where it needs to be to pull our weight in a league like the AAC.

But I’m quite proud of our athletics overall. That is all!
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(09-14-2021 07:59 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

It bears mentioning that while maybe we’re bad in Football right now (or maybe we just had a bad game), that nevertheless overall athletically Rice is elite (for a G5) Nearly half our sports are or have been nationally ranked top 25 in the last couple years. We were top in Directors Cup last year and near the top among AAC teams and all of G5s.

Men’s Basketball has improved back up to “mediocre” and has some good promise for this year with the entire core returning.

I am also keenly aware that football drives the bus and that our football is not where it needs to be to pull our weight in a league like the AAC.

But I’m quite proud of our athletics overall. That is all!



Rice would be an excellent all-round addition to the AAC. I would be 100 percent happy to have RU join.
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(09-14-2021 04:51 AM)schmolik Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.

LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.

Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.

App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.

If you're saying Buffalo out of the AAC footprint, you're saying Temple is as well. Depending on who these new members are, Temple leaving might not be the worst idea. If your closest geographical member is East Carolina, you don't belong in the conference. Buffalo would at least give Temple a Northeast partner they haven't had since UConn left. I'm sure no in the AAC cares if Temple leaves but if they do they should at least consider who they invite.

OP hasn’t added UMass to his list at #68, the second highest rated school available behind Rice. They have history with Temple and would make just as good of an eastern partner if they make the commitment to upgrade their stadium.

UMass has actually expressed interest in the American in the past. I don’t remember reading anywhere that UB has.
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(09-13-2021 08:40 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  Ranked Candidates:
Rice: 17 - R1
Buffalo: 93 - R1
UAB: 148 - R1
Charlotte: 227 - R2
GA State: 239 - R1
ODU: 263 - R2
LaTech: 277 - R2
UNT: 277 - R1
FAU: 277 - R2
Marshall: 288 - R2

Unranked (300+):
-Southern Miss - R1
-UTSA - R2
-WKU - D/PU (3rd Tier)
-ULL - R2
-Arkansas State - R2
-Liberty - D/PU

Regional (Not Listed):
-App State - M1 (4th Tier)
-Coastal Carolina - M1

Let me know if I missed anyone!
Not including any MWC teams because Big-12 expansion will likely keep them from moving to AAC.

Louisiana should be Carnegie R1 after the 2021 rankings are published. Also, for some untold reason the genius people in Martin Hall do not believe in submitting actual data to USNWR for academic rankings.

The only thing I’m actually jealous of LaTech about is their administrations ability and willingness to market LaTech. Kudos to them for that.
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(09-13-2021 11:53 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.

I think you are wrong on the MWC ability to keep schools. But I'll go with the premise here, and say after trying for 6 months Boise State, Army and Air Force all decline. So Colorado State, San Diego State and Fresno State stay home as well. Rice and UAB are still there ripe for the picking, even if the accepted some other conference (think TCU's 2011 u-turn from Big East bound to Big 12)

BTW, to really understand who is picking you should give the rankings of the American schools voting:

Tulane (also AAU), SMU, Tulsa, Temple, South Florida especially as they are 75% of the votes (6 of 8 in football and 6 of 8 in Olympic sports)

Keep dreaming. If anyone from the MW joins the AAC before the end of the year, Ill stop posting on this site.

By join I mean announces officially.

Why a university in San Diego would place its athletic future in a southeastern conference where the top performers openly want to leave is beyond me.
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(09-13-2021 08:40 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  Ranked Candidates:
Rice: 17 - R1
Buffalo: 93 - R1
UAB: 148 - R1
Charlotte: 227 - R2
GA State: 239 - R1
ODU: 263 - R2
LaTech: 277 - R2
UNT: 277 - R1
FAU: 277 - R2
Marshall: 288 - R2

Unranked (300+):
-Southern Miss - R1
-UTSA - R2
-WKU - D/PU (3rd Tier)
-ULL - R2
-Arkansas State - R2
-Liberty - D/PU

Regional (Not Listed):
-App State - M1 (4th Tier)
-Coastal Carolina - M1

Let me know if I missed anyone!
Not including any MWC teams because Big-12 expansion will likely keep them from moving to AAC.

Marshall is on the rise, previously being Regional and Non-ranked. This is a big step in the right direction compared to the last round of Realignment. We were in a very similar boat academics wise with App State. There is nothing wrong with being a regional university, it actually has its advantages, but it doesn't help in conference realignment.
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(09-14-2021 08:37 AM)Surbadger Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 08:40 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  Ranked Candidates:
Rice: 17 - R1
Buffalo: 93 - R1
UAB: 148 - R1
Charlotte: 227 - R2
GA State: 239 - R1
ODU: 263 - R2
LaTech: 277 - R2
UNT: 277 - R1
FAU: 277 - R2
Marshall: 288 - R2

Unranked (300+):
-Southern Miss - R1
-UTSA - R2
-WKU - D/PU (3rd Tier)
-ULL - R2
-Arkansas State - R2
-Liberty - D/PU

Regional (Not Listed):
-App State - M1 (4th Tier)
-Coastal Carolina - M1

Let me know if I missed anyone!
Not including any MWC teams because Big-12 expansion will likely keep them from moving to AAC.

Marshall is on the rise, previously being Regional and Non-ranked. This is a big step in the right direction compared to the last round of Realignment. We were in a very similar boat academics wise with App State. There is nothing wrong with being a regional university, it actually has its advantages, but it doesn't help in conference realignment.

I have the same feeling about Buffalo, except regarding Athletics. Our institutional stature has always been really good (though now we are top 100 overall and top 50 public universities) but neither of the revenue sports had any kind of real success.

Now we have had two straight hoops coaches take the team dancing (no clue if Whitesell keeps that going) and two bowl wins and a ranking in football over the last couple of years.

The only thing really cutting against Buffalo right now is our Stadium (which the Bills have a new 60K seat stadium on Order, hopefully Downtown or in Amherst by the campus) and our Location (which the AAC has said is not that important this time around).

Personally I'm on the fence about the move for Buffalo (if UB is asked).

The revenue profile for the AAC is likely not going to stay at 7 million per year given the losses they took and may take soon if the B12 goes to 14/16. The Travel would be a lot more for us, and really the prestige of the remaining members is not.... Great.

Memphis, Temple, and Navy might move the needle for us but The rest of the AAC seems to be on par (interest wise) as the MAC schools would be.

I suppose it depends on who else they offer.
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(09-14-2021 01:46 AM)2Buck Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:14 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

Will be interesting to see what the AAC President prioritize. Buffalo and Rice might be too good to ignore academically. They have the money to improve facilities.

LaTech was also better than I expected.
They don’t do anything great, but do everything good. Good football, basketball, baseball. Their only negative is Ruston is so small.

Feel like this helps the case for GA State, and Charlotte. Solid academics and market size. If you are looking to move east, might take them over ODU or FAU.

App State and Coastal are basically untouchable academically. Just awful.

You have no idea what you're talking about. App State is simply classified as a Masters level because they focus on undergrad instead of doctoral programs. For a lot of state schools (especially in states with public ivies like UNC) there's a glut of state schools with doctoral programs. Has nothing to do with the quality of education offered by the schools. If App were in a doctoral Carnegie Mellon classification they'd probably be close to 200 or above. In fact, Charlotte is generally much easier to get into than App. Being an "R1" doesn't mean sh!t in terms of quality of education. Now AAU is a totally different story.
Ha, thanks.

Apps focus and mission is to create value for the Western portion of NC and the greater state of NC.

Teachers, Nurses, Accountants, Renewable Energy Engineers, journalists, and physical therapists. These are what App does. App does it very well. Best teachers in the nation. A top accounting program in the state. Renewable energy program that has beaten MIT, Berkeley, Harvard, etc for years in solar completions. Nurses I'm every NC hospitals, etc etc etc.

App's goal is to out blue collar the rest of the UNC system. And they do it real well. Alumni are in about every meaningful aspect of every day life in NC. App's reputation in the state is top tier.

**** La Tech fans opinions.
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(09-13-2021 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.

Buffalo is a flagship university with close to 30,000 students, first among equals among New York's four main SUNY campuses. (The other three are Albany, Stony Brook, and Binghamton.)

Buffalo may be too far outside the American's new footprint to be worth consideration, but is it neither small nor niche.
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(09-13-2021 08:40 PM)LaTex14 Wrote:  Ranked Candidates:
Rice: 17 - R1
Buffalo: 93 - R1
UAB: 148 - R1
Charlotte: 227 - R2
GA State: 239 - R1
ODU: 263 - R2
LaTech: 277 - R2
UNT: 277 - R1
FAU: 277 - R2
Marshall: 288 - R2

Unranked (300+):
-Southern Miss - R1
-UTSA - R2
-WKU - D/PU (3rd Tier)
-ULL - R2
-Arkansas State - R2
-Liberty - D/PU

Regional (Not Listed):
-App State - M1 (4th Tier)
-Coastal Carolina - M1

Let me know if I missed anyone!
Not including any MWC teams because Big-12 expansion will likely keep them from moving to AAC.

Current AAC rankings for comparison.

#42 Tulane
#68 SMU
#103 Temple
#103 USF
#136 Tulsa
#148 UCF
#148 Cincinnati
#179 Houston
#213 ECU
#249 Memphis
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(09-14-2021 10:09 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.

Buffalo is a flagship university with close to 30,000 students, first among equals among New York's four main SUNY campuses. (The other three are Albany, Stony Brook, and Binghamton.)

Buffalo may be too far outside the American's new footprint to be worth consideration, but is it neither small nor niche.

Yea I thought the same thing. Of all the reasons not to pick UB the top three, at this point

1 - Location
2 - Location
3 - Current Stadium

If the AAC wants to pick "footprint" schools then Buffalo makes little sense. Given the Bulls can and have used the Bills Stadium (and the Bills are angling for a new one which likely lands Downtown) then they check all the boxes

* Budget is already in AAC range (45 million last year)
* Academics would be near the top of the AAC
* Athletics has had good success for 5 years
* Market is right around #50 in the nation
* State Flagship^


^ - NY has no official flagship but UB has the largest enrollment, highest endowment, most history, highest Athletics, and is AAU/R1 university ranked in the top 50 public colleges nationally
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I opined in another thread that the AAC would only add UAB and Marshall. However more recently Aresco has said four additions are more likely then two. Based on the data in this thread I could see Rice and Georgia State being the other two.
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FIU is #162 and R1, right in the middle of the Cincinnati-Houston area.
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Ranked Candidates:
Rice: 17 - R1
UMass: 68 R1
Buffalo: 93 - R1
UAB: 148 - R1
FIU: 162 - R1
Charlotte: 227 - R2
GA State: 239 - R1
ODU: 263 - R2
LaTech: 277 - R2
UNT: 277 - R1
FAU: 277 - R2
Marshall: 288 - R2

Unranked (300+):
-Southern Miss - R1
-UTSA - R2
-WKU - D/PU (3rd Tier)
-ULL - R2
-Arkansas State - R2
-Liberty - D/PU

Regional (Not Listed):
-App State - M1 (4th Tier)
-Coastal Carolina - M1
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(09-14-2021 10:02 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ha, thanks.

Apps focus and mission is to create value for the Western portion of NC and the greater state of NC.

Teachers, Nurses, Accountants, Renewable Energy Engineers, journalists, and physical therapists. These are what App does. App does it very well. Best teachers in the nation. A top accounting program in the state. Renewable energy program that has beaten MIT, Berkeley, Harvard, etc for years in solar completions. Nurses I'm every NC hospitals, etc etc etc.

App's goal is to out blue collar the rest of the UNC system. And they do it real well. Alumni are in about every meaningful aspect of every day life in NC. App's reputation in the state is top tier.

**** La Tech fans opinions.

What makes you think LaTex14 is a La Tech fan? I actually think LaTex said he actually wasn't a Tech fan...but that he lives in Texas and has Louisiana ties?
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(09-14-2021 10:33 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:02 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ha, thanks.

Apps focus and mission is to create value for the Western portion of NC and the greater state of NC.

Teachers, Nurses, Accountants, Renewable Energy Engineers, journalists, and physical therapists. These are what App does. App does it very well. Best teachers in the nation. A top accounting program in the state. Renewable energy program that has beaten MIT, Berkeley, Harvard, etc for years in solar completions. Nurses I'm every NC hospitals, etc etc etc.

App's goal is to out blue collar the rest of the UNC system. And they do it real well. Alumni are in about every meaningful aspect of every day life in NC. App's reputation in the state is top tier.

**** La Tech fans opinions.

What makes you think LaTex14 is a La Tech fan? I actually think LaTex said he actually wasn't a Tech fan...but that he lives in Texas and has Louisiana ties?
Fair.

His opinions are garbage
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(09-14-2021 10:40 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:33 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:02 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ha, thanks.

Apps focus and mission is to create value for the Western portion of NC and the greater state of NC.

Teachers, Nurses, Accountants, Renewable Energy Engineers, journalists, and physical therapists. These are what App does. App does it very well. Best teachers in the nation. A top accounting program in the state. Renewable energy program that has beaten MIT, Berkeley, Harvard, etc for years in solar completions. Nurses I'm every NC hospitals, etc etc etc.

App's goal is to out blue collar the rest of the UNC system. And they do it real well. Alumni are in about every meaningful aspect of every day life in NC. App's reputation in the state is top tier.

**** La Tech fans opinions.

What makes you think LaTex14 is a La Tech fan? I actually think LaTex said he actually wasn't a Tech fan...but that he lives in Texas and has Louisiana ties?
Fair.

His opinions are garbage

Annnnd...just how long have you been reading fan boards? HAHA!
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(09-14-2021 10:33 AM)chuckk3 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:02 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Ha, thanks.

Apps focus and mission is to create value for the Western portion of NC and the greater state of NC.

Teachers, Nurses, Accountants, Renewable Energy Engineers, journalists, and physical therapists. These are what App does. App does it very well. Best teachers in the nation. A top accounting program in the state. Renewable energy program that has beaten MIT, Berkeley, Harvard, etc for years in solar completions. Nurses I'm every NC hospitals, etc etc etc.

App's goal is to out blue collar the rest of the UNC system. And they do it real well. Alumni are in about every meaningful aspect of every day life in NC. App's reputation in the state is top tier.

**** La Tech fans opinions.

What makes you think LaTex14 is a La Tech fan? I actually think LaTex said he actually wasn't a Tech fan...but that he lives in Texas and has Louisiana ties?

I wish more people would put their actual school in the "I root for" section instead of just "College sports", "the underdog", "expanded playoff", "alma mater", etc.
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(09-14-2021 10:15 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
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(09-13-2021 10:02 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Rice and Buffalo are also AAU schools. Buffalo is pretty far away and rather small niche. It's Rice and UAB that are in footprint and bring rankings.

Buffalo is a flagship university with close to 30,000 students, first among equals among New York's four main SUNY campuses. (The other three are Albany, Stony Brook, and Binghamton.)

Buffalo may be too far outside the American's new footprint to be worth consideration, but is it neither small nor niche.

Yea I thought the same thing. Of all the reasons not to pick UB the top three, at this point

1 - Location
2 - Location
3 - Current Stadium

If the AAC wants to pick "footprint" schools then Buffalo makes little sense. Given the Bulls can and have used the Bills Stadium (and the Bills are angling for a new one which likely lands Downtown) then they check all the boxes

* Budget is already in AAC range (45 million last year)
* Academics would be near the top of the AAC
* Athletics has had good success for 5 years
* Market is right around #50 in the nation
* State Flagship^


^ - NY has no official flagship but UB has the largest enrollment, highest endowment, most history, highest Athletics, and is AAU/R1 university ranked in the top 50 public colleges nationally

Plus Buffalo offers a decent travel partner with Temple only being 380 miles away. 6 hour 17 minute drive according to Google. I know most AAC schools fly everywhere though.
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(09-14-2021 07:59 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 10:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One of the reasons I believe UAB will be added for sure.

While their ranking isn't as high as USF, Temple, SMU, and Tulane, it's not bad and will not be a drag on the conference.

Rice is too bad athletically to be added, and Buffalo is too far out of the footprint.

It bears mentioning that while maybe we’re bad in Football right now (or maybe we just had a bad game), that nevertheless overall athletically Rice is elite (for a G5) Nearly half our sports are or have been nationally ranked top 25 in the last couple years. We were top in Directors Cup last year and near the top among AAC teams and all of G5s.

Men’s Basketball has improved back up to “mediocre” and has some good promise for this year with the entire core returning.

I am also keenly aware that football drives the bus and that our football is not where it needs to be to pull our weight in a league like the AAC.

But I’m quite proud of our athletics overall. That is all!

I think if Rice were willing to make the commitments Tulane and SMU made in terms of facilities, coaching budgets, and academic admissions exceptions they'd be for sure #10. All of those are things you guys can just make the choice to do tomorrow, but do you really want to?
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