Can someone help me out what is the US News and World Report ranking for your membership?

Doing work for my boss.

Thanks

(09-13-2021 04:35 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  Can someone help me out what is the US News and World Report ranking for your membership?

Doing work for my boss.

Thanks

I am a bit lazy to do any actual work, so here's a link for the 2022 edition:

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

Fine, I went and did it, anyway:

Rice - 17
UAB - 148
FIU - 162
Charlotte - 227
ODU - 263
FAU, LaTech, UNT - 277
Marshall, MTSU - 288
WKU, UTSA, UTEP, USM - 299-391

Rice: 17
UAB: 148
FIU: 162
Charlotte: 227
ODU: 263
LaTech: 277
UNT: 277
FAU: 277
Marshall: 288
MTSU: 288

Unranked National (300+):
- Southern Miss
- UTSA
- UTEP
- WKU

(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Fine, I went and did it, anyway:

Rice - 17
UAB - 148
FIU - 162
Charlotte - 227
ODU - 263
FAU, LaTech, UNT - 277
Marshall, MTSU - 288
WKU, UTSA, UTEP, USM - 299-391

Beat me to it haha

This is interesting to me because Charlotte's last Chancellor would not participate in this--so USNWR ranked us the best they could. I think our new Chancellor did submit data, but I am not certain of that. Either way, we are always hurt by two metrics that I don't see changing.

We are the fastest growing university in the NC system. Our growth exceeds that of the other 16 universities combined. This keeps our acceptance rate higher than universities with low, or negative growth (looking at you ECU), and that penalizes us in the algorithm.

The other thing is graduation rate in 4 years. Many of our students work and go to school, so it often takes longer to graduate. In fact, we have lots of non-traditional students that maybe didn't finish college and went to work, started families, etc., and they come back to get their degree on top of that. I think this is probably not uncommon in major urban areas. Regardless, it hurts our numbers.

I don't think either of these items is worrisome, but I do wish it didn't ding us.

US News Report displays an interesting piece of information that I do not think is being used to determine the ranking, namely the median starting salary of alumni. For FAU it is $48,000. For FIU it is $47,000. However, FIU is ranked 115 spots ahead of us. I would have thought that being prepared to enter work force should mean something.

clt says the aac seems to pay attention to this report….

(09-13-2021 05:04 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  US News Report displays an interesting piece of information that I do not think is being used to determine the ranking, namely the median starting salary of alumni. For FAU it is $48,000. For FIU it is $47,000. However, FIU is ranked 115 spots ahead of us. I would have thought that being prepared to enter work force should mean something.

Could also be dependent on the type of degrees more prominently awarded. I would assume an engineering heavy or nursing heavy school, although maybe not ranked as high, would likely leave students with a higher starting salary than a school that predominantly graduates teachers, art majors, etc.

(09-13-2021 06:41 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 05:04 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  US News Report displays an interesting piece of information that I do not think is being used to determine the ranking, namely the median starting salary of alumni. For FAU it is $48,000. For FIU it is $47,000. However, FIU is ranked 115 spots ahead of us. I would have thought that being prepared to enter work force should mean something.

Could also be dependent on the type of degrees more prominently awarded. I would assume an engineering heavy or nursing heavy school, although maybe not ranked as high, would likely leave students with a higher starting salary than a school that predominantly graduates teachers, art majors, etc.

Well, FAU is predominantly an engineering/business school.

(09-13-2021 05:04 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  US News Report displays an interesting piece of information that I do not think is being used to determine the ranking, namely the median starting salary of alumni. For FAU it is $48,000. For FIU it is $47,000. However, FIU is ranked 115 spots ahead of us. I would have thought that being prepared to enter work force should mean something.

I know it's hard for you to accept that FIU is a superior university, but I encourage you to read the rankings. There's a ton of information provided:

FIU: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/fiu-9635

FAU: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/flo...rsity-1481

Compared to FAU, FIU students have better test scores, the school is more selective, has a better social mobility ranking, has a greater frequency of smaller class sizes (and less lecture-hall style classes), and has a better 4- and 6-year graduation rate (among other factors). I'm not sure what else you want? The median salaries you mentioned are quite comparable, and as others have pointed out, these salaries largely depend on the distribution of majors graduated.

FAU is a fine school. I'm glad you take pride in it, as you should. But I don't think many out there realize that FIU is one of the better academic institutions in C-USA (and also an R1 university). FIU does a tremendous job providing a quality education to a very diverse student body. The name "International" in FIU is the focus of many jokes, but it is truly representative of the school. I take great pride in being a Panther.

Have a nice day.

Shhhh! We have spotted the rare FIU Panther.

(09-14-2021 08:51 AM)Fish Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 05:04 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  US News Report displays an interesting piece of information that I do not think is being used to determine the ranking, namely the median starting salary of alumni. For FAU it is $48,000. For FIU it is $47,000. However, FIU is ranked 115 spots ahead of us. I would have thought that being prepared to enter work force should mean something.

I know it's hard for you to accept that FIU is a superior university, but I encourage you to read the rankings. There's a ton of information provided:

FIU: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/fiu-9635

FAU: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/flo...rsity-1481

Compared to FAU, FIU students have better test scores, the school is more selective, has a better social mobility ranking, has a greater frequency of smaller class sizes (and less lecture-hall style classes), and has a better 4- and 6-year graduation rate (among other factors). I'm not sure what else you want? The median salaries you mentioned are quite comparable, and as others have pointed out, these salaries largely depend on the distribution of majors graduated.

FAU is a fine school. I'm glad you take pride in it, as you should. But I don't think many out there realize that FIU is one of the better academic institutions in C-USA (and also an R1 university). FIU does a tremendous job providing a quality education to a very diverse student body. The name "International" in FIU is the focus of many jokes, but it is truly representative of the school. I take great pride in being a Panther.

Have a nice day.

I have no problem accepting that FIU is a higher-ranked school. Trust me, I can live with that. I have not offered a single doubt in that and I did not intend to.

(09-14-2021 09:17 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 08:51 AM)Fish Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 05:04 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  US News Report displays an interesting piece of information that I do not think is being used to determine the ranking, namely the median starting salary of alumni. For FAU it is $48,000. For FIU it is $47,000. However, FIU is ranked 115 spots ahead of us. I would have thought that being prepared to enter work force should mean something.

I know it's hard for you to accept that FIU is a superior university, but I encourage you to read the rankings. There's a ton of information provided:

FIU: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/fiu-9635

FAU: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/flo...rsity-1481

Compared to FAU, FIU students have better test scores, the school is more selective, has a better social mobility ranking, has a greater frequency of smaller class sizes (and less lecture-hall style classes), and has a better 4- and 6-year graduation rate (among other factors). I'm not sure what else you want? The median salaries you mentioned are quite comparable, and as others have pointed out, these salaries largely depend on the distribution of majors graduated.

FAU is a fine school. I'm glad you take pride in it, as you should. But I don't think many out there realize that FIU is one of the better academic institutions in C-USA (and also an R1 university). FIU does a tremendous job providing a quality education to a very diverse student body. The name "International" in FIU is the focus of many jokes, but it is truly representative of the school. I take great pride in being a Panther.

Have a nice day.

I have no problem accepting that FIU is a higher-ranked school. Trust me, I can live with that. I have not offered a single doubt in that and I did not intend to.

Ah my apologies then. I read that as banter and decided to mess with an FAU fan. Cheers!

(09-14-2021 09:13 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Shhhh! We have spotted the rare FIU Panther.

Bigfoot isn't real. Stop perpetuating that lie.

(09-14-2021 09:13 AM)Nugget49er Wrote:  Shhhh! We have spotted the rare FIU Panther.

+3

That is hilarious!

(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Fine, I went and did it, anyway:

Rice - 17
UAB - 148
FIU - 162
Charlotte - 227
ODU - 263
FAU, LaTech, UNT - 277
Marshall, MTSU - 288
WKU, UTSA, UTEP, USM - 299-391

LA Tech's release:
https://www.latech.edu/2021/09/14/louisi...-rankings/

(09-14-2021 09:34 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Fine, I went and did it, anyway:

Rice - 17
UAB - 148
FIU - 162
Charlotte - 227
ODU - 263
FAU, LaTech, UNT - 277
Marshall, MTSU - 288
WKU, UTSA, UTEP, USM - 299-391

LA Tech's release:
https://www.latech.edu/2021/09/14/louisi...-rankings/

Not according to USNWR's own site where LaTech are ranked 277th.

Oh, wait, your link only includes public universities. That's convenient.

(09-15-2021 06:56 AM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 09:34 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 04:47 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Fine, I went and did it, anyway:

Rice - 17
UAB - 148
FIU - 162
Charlotte - 227
ODU - 263
FAU, LaTech, UNT - 277
Marshall, MTSU - 288
WKU, UTSA, UTEP, USM - 299-391

LA Tech's release:
https://www.latech.edu/2021/09/14/louisi...-rankings/

Not according to USNWR's own site where LaTech are ranked 277th.

Oh, wait, your link only includes public universities. That's convenient.

Yeah, I caught that almost right away after we released the presser. I'm like, geesh, now we're spinning the news releases...

Well, Tech is a public university with advantages/disadvantages differing from private schools. Makes sense to compare oneself to your peers, dosen't it? But, yeah, the overall ranking should also be included for reference.

I don't have the numbers, nor a link, but about a year ago I saw an article where Tech's graduates enjoyed the highest median earned income of any PUBLIC university in the state. Higher than LSU grads too. And, as I recall, higher than every private college too, sans Tulane. That is where the rubber meets the road, how are your grads doing in the real world?