and Justice Will Flow Like a Mighty River


David Justice UT guy finally tells the truth what we Coogs all knew, all along.


"Houston Should Have Been Invited to the Big 12 Decades Ago
The Cougars' move is great news for UH fans, but it shouldn't have required UT taking a sledgehammer to the conference to make it happen.

Houston should have been invited

Mod please delete 2 of the same post apparent system error

Houston has noone to blame but themselves. Their athletics program was a dumpster fire at the wrong time-in the mid-90s. They were clearly #5 in the SWC and added no value to the Big 12. And they might well have snagged one of the power conference berths from 1997 to 2012 if they had been able to be consistent in football and basketball. Note that the Big East invited TCU, not Houston, just before the ACC raid. And when WVU and TCU were added, Houston just didn't add enough as a #12 to justify the Big 12 adding Louisville as #11.

So nice we posted it thrice!

(09-15-2021 12:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston has noone to blame but themselves. Their athletics program was a dumpster fire at the wrong time-in the mid-90s. They were clearly #5 in the SWC and added no value to the Big 12. And they might well have snagged one of the power conference berths from 1997 to 2012 if they had been able to be consistent in football and basketball. Note that the Big East invited TCU, not Houston, just before the ACC raid. And when WVU and TCU were added, Houston just didn't add enough as a #12 to justify the Big 12 adding Louisville as #11.

So Baylor was more deserving?

(09-15-2021 12:26 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Mod please delete 2 of the same post apparent system error

You guys know you can delete your own posts, right?

(09-15-2021 12:48 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston has noone to blame but themselves. Their athletics program was a dumpster fire at the wrong time-in the mid-90s. They were clearly #5 in the SWC and added no value to the Big 12. And they might well have snagged one of the power conference berths from 1997 to 2012 if they had been able to be consistent in football and basketball. Note that the Big East invited TCU, not Houston, just before the ACC raid. And when WVU and TCU were added, Houston just didn't add enough as a #12 to justify the Big 12 adding Louisville as #11.

So Baylor was more deserving?

Yes. They were. Better fan support and better success at the time of the dissolution.
Not particularly close.

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Houston has noone to blame but themselves. Their athletics program was a dumpster fire at the wrong time-in the mid-90s. They were clearly #5 in the SWC and added no value to the Big 12. And they might well have snagged one of the power conference berths from 1997 to 2012 if they had been able to be consistent in football and basketball. Note that the Big East invited TCU, not Houston, just before the ACC raid. And when WVU and TCU were added, Houston just didn't add enough as a #12 to justify the Big 12 adding Louisville as #11.
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Yep blame the victim for the crime. Classic

(09-15-2021 12:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:26 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Mod please delete 2 of the same post apparent system error

You guys know you can delete your own posts, right?

I tried really I did, Thanks

(09-15-2021 01:38 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  [quote='bullet' pid='17639912' dateline='1631727156']
Houston has noone to blame but themselves. Their athletics program was a dumpster fire at the wrong time-in the mid-90s. They were clearly #5 in the SWC and added no value to the Big 12. And they might well have snagged one of the power conference berths from 1997 to 2012 if they had been able to be consistent in football and basketball. Note that the Big East invited TCU, not Houston, just before the ACC raid. And when WVU and TCU were added, Houston just didn't add enough as a #12 to justify the Big 12 adding Louisville as #11.
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Yep blame the victim for the crime. Classic

That attitude is why UH is where it has been. Blaming others instead of doing like TCU and stepping up and picking themselves up.

Victim mentality is really dysfunctional.

(09-15-2021 01:40 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:26 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Mod please delete 2 of the same post apparent system error

You guys know you can delete your own posts, right?

I tried really I did, Thanks

Check your PMs

(09-15-2021 01:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 01:38 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  [quote='bullet' pid='17639912' dateline='1631727156']
Houston has noone to blame but themselves. Their athletics program was a dumpster fire at the wrong time-in the mid-90s. They were clearly #5 in the SWC and added no value to the Big 12. And they might well have snagged one of the power conference berths from 1997 to 2012 if they had been able to be consistent in football and basketball. Note that the Big East invited TCU, not Houston, just before the ACC raid. And when WVU and TCU were added, Houston just didn't add enough as a #12 to justify the Big 12 adding Louisville as #11.
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Yep blame the victim for the crime. Classic

That attitude is why UH is where it has been. Blaming others instead of doing like TCU and stepping up and picking themselves up.

Victim mentality is really dysfunctional.

See you got your Phd on. No one has any choice in being a victim. But to continue to live your life like one is a different matter.

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda

(09-15-2021 12:20 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  and Justice Will Flow Like a Mighty River

David Justice UT guy finally tells the truth what we Coogs all knew, all along.

"Houston Should Have Been Invited to the Big 12 Decades Ago
The Cougars' move is great news for UH fans, but it shouldn't have required UT taking a sledgehammer to the conference to make it happen.

Based on what?

Football performance? Houston has finished ranked in the final AP poll all of two times in the past 30 years. #8 in 2015 and #18 in 2011.

That's it, since the middle of the George HW Bush Administration.

Attendance? Houston has muddled around in the high-20s for most of those past 30 years as well.

In 2019, Houston attendance was about 25k fans per game. There's nothing big-time about that.

Heck, for a good 10 years, between 1996 and 2006, it was *below 20k* most years.

Blame it on being left out of the Big 12?

No - the last four years in the SWC, Houston football attendance never reached an average of 30k fans per season. During the entire 1980s, when Houston were in the SWC, attendance hovered *below* 30k fans per year. UH had one year, like in 1989 when David Klingler or whoever was running around throwing 10 TDs a game vs terribly weak competition when it exceeded 30k.

30k!

Look, I'm happy for Houston. I stated before the L8 made their selections that if I was the L8, Houston would have been in my top 4 for sure, and arguably in the top two, along with BYU.

But the record just isn't strong, it's more the kind of thing USF used to benefit from - the "growing school in a big growing city in a great state" kind of thing. Not earned on the field.

And no, no way should Houston have gotten an invite while TX and OU were in the conference. There was just no need for UH and UH didn't have the track record to back it up. UH is worthy as backfill for a conference that won't be "power" once TX and OU are gone, but not more than that. Not IMO.

Maybe UH will take this opportunity and blossom? Let's hope so.

(09-15-2021 02:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-15-2021 12:20 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  and Justice Will Flow Like a Mighty River

David Justice UT guy finally tells the truth what we Coogs all knew, all along.

"Houston Should Have Been Invited to the Big 12 Decades Ago
The Cougars' move is great news for UH fans, but it shouldn't have required UT taking a sledgehammer to the conference to make it happen.

Based on what?

Football performance? Houston has finished ranked in the final AP poll all of two times in the past 30 years. #8 in 2015 and #18 in 2011.

That's it, since the middle of the George HW Bush Administration.

Attendance? Houston has muddled around in the high-20s for most of those past 30 years as well.

In 2019, Houston attendance was about 25k fans per game. There's nothing big-time about that.

Heck, for a good 10 years, between 1996 and 2006, it was *below 20k* most years.

Blame it on being left out of the Big 12?

No - the last four years in the SWC, Houston football attendance never reached an average of 30k fans per season. During the entire 1980s, when Houston were in the SWC, attendance hovered *below* 30k fans per year. UH had one year, like in 1989 when David Klingler or whoever was running around throwing 10 TDs a game vs terribly weak competition when it exceeded 30k.

30k!

Look, I'm happy for Houston. I stated before the L8 made their selections that if I was the L8, Houston would have been in my top 4 for sure, and arguably in the top two, along with BYU.

But the record just isn't strong, it's more the kind of thing USF used to benefit from - the "growing school in a big growing city in a great state" kind of thing. Not earned on the field.

And no, no way should Houston have gotten an invite while TX and OU were in the conference. There was just no need for UH and UH didn't have the track record to back it up. UH is worthy as backfill for a conference that won't be "power" once TX and OU are gone, but not more than that. Not IMO.

Maybe UH will take this opportunity and blossom? Let's hope so.

Wassup Quo, been a long time since we chatted, my friend. Guy was crying and a stranger ask why he was crying . Man answered my wife ran off with my best friend. Stranger said she did! The man still crying said, I sure do miss him.

(09-15-2021 12:20 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  and Justice Will Flow Like a Mighty River


David Justice UT guy finally tells the truth what we Coogs all knew, all along.


"Houston Should Have Been Invited to the Big 12 Decades Ago
The Cougars' move is great news for UH fans, but it shouldn't have required UT taking a sledgehammer to the conference to make it happen.

Houston should have been invited

Richard Justice, David played MLB.