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What % jump in TV revenue do you believe warrants leaving for another conference?
Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?
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(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?

For Southern Miss/CUSA I would want to get out of your tv deal even if it wasn’t for more money.
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(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?
Depends on more than that. How much is the buyout from the current conference? How much is the buy in in the new conference? How stable is the new conference? How long to see a positive return on investment?

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(09-13-2021 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  How much is the buyout from the current conference? How much is the buy in in the new conference? How stable is the new conference? How long to see a positive return on investment?

For any school thinking of moving G-to-G, those are the correct questions.

There's no sense in pretending that a 25% increase in a G conference distribution should have the same weight in realignment decisions as a 25% increase in a P conference distribution.
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(09-13-2021 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?
Depends on more than that. How much is the buyout from the current conference? How much is the buy in in the new conference? How stable is the new conference? How long to see a positive return on investment?

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Yes, plus you have to factor in how much you like competing in that conference? E.g., if I was WV and the ACC called, I'd leave for the ACC even if the Big 12 was paying $5m or $10m more per team, just because it's a much better fit for my fan base.
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(09-13-2021 01:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?
Depends on more than that. How much is the buyout from the current conference? How much is the buy in in the new conference? How stable is the new conference? How long to see a positive return on investment?

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Yes, plus you have to factor in how much you like competing in that conference? E.g., if I was WV and the ACC called, I'd leave for the ACC even if the Big 12 was paying $5m or $10m more per team, just because it's a much better fit for my fan base.

Colorado moved to the Pac not knowing how much more it would be. It turned out to be less. They would have moved anyway as they made it up by connections with their California alums. They had easily more out of state alumni in California than any other state. Texas was 2nd. Arizona was 3rd and had more all the remaining Big 12 states combined.
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RE: What % jump in TV revenue do you believe warrants leaving for another conference?
No easy answer.

What are your buyouts in the current conference?
What are your travel and recruiting costs for the new conference?
What are the budgets of future members?
Etc, etc, ....
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At the G5 level I'd say it needs to be at probably close to double your current payout to even consider it, and then even that could be impacted by buyouts/travel costs/buy-in cost.
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I think it depends on the dollar amount and the buyout to get out of your current conference. A 50% increase on $1 million is $1.5 million, which probably isn't worth it if you have a $10 million exit fee, but a 50% increase on $20 million is $30 million and the move kinda pays for itself at that point.
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(09-13-2021 01:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?
Depends on more than that. How much is the buyout from the current conference? How much is the buy in in the new conference? How stable is the new conference? How long to see a positive return on investment?

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Yes, plus you have to factor in how much you like competing in that conference? E.g., if I was WV and the ACC called, I'd leave for the ACC even if the Big 12 was paying $5m or $10m more per team, just because it's a much better fit for my fan base.

Yeah, IMO the fit is really important. Texas A&M fit perfectly into the SEC. The fan base was enamored by the move…football attendance and donations increased immediately. TV revenue is an important factor, but it’s not the only variable. The program needs to be able to assimilate to the new conference.

On the other side, Maryland and Rutgers sold their decisions primarily as a means of means of capitalizing on the B1G media payouts. Eight years later, the increase in TV media payouts is hardly the panacea to their structural financial problems.
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(09-13-2021 02:34 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 01:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?
Depends on more than that. How much is the buyout from the current conference? How much is the buy in in the new conference? How stable is the new conference? How long to see a positive return on investment?

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Yes, plus you have to factor in how much you like competing in that conference? E.g., if I was WV and the ACC called, I'd leave for the ACC even if the Big 12 was paying $5m or $10m more per team, just because it's a much better fit for my fan base.

Yeah, IMO the fit is really important. Texas A&M fit perfectly into the SEC. The fan base was enamored by the move…football attendance and donations increased immediately. TV revenue is an important factor, but it’s not the only variable. The program needs to be able to assimilate to the new conference.

On the other side, Maryland and Rutgers sold their decisions primarily as a means of means of capitalizing on the B1G media payouts. Eight years later, the increase in TV media payouts is hardly the panacea to their structural financial problems.

Yes, TAMU to the SEC was a passionate move. Rutgers and Maryland to the B1G was a bloodless calculation of costs and benefits.

Which, thanks to the B1G's tight-fisted entrance fee and partial payouts, has been short on benefits for them, so far.
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(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?

I don’t think that’s completely true. As Bernadette Peters says in The Jerk, it’s not the money I’ll miss, it’s all the stuff.

Texas and OU could have walked and gotten raises long ago but the landscape has changed. It’s power five in name only. The B1G and SEC are getting the headlines for money and exposure and ACC has been the one fighting SEC for football titles.

Movie quote again. Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.

I will not be ignored.

Money is a great tool and resource but the aura of who you affiliate with matters. Would UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati have turned down Big XII if the money was on par with AAC? Probably not. The association with those brands carries its own value.

Arkansas State isn’t in the AAC hunt as far as I know but even if Memphis got raided out AState leadership would still opt to affiliate with Tulsa, SMU, Tulane and East Carolina.

I suspect there are some CUSA schools who look back and ask why did we go to 14 instead of 12 or 10. Why didn’t we patch the holes and wait to see how things shook out? USM, Marshall, Rice, UAB got sold the idea of 14 can keep us at a million per or closer to a million per than 10 or 12 would. Didn’t work that way and instead of big Christmas bonus to put in a pool they got a membership in the jelly of the month club.

When I was in college Twin Towers was the men’s dorm apparently modeled on a correctional facility. Delta Hall sucked but you moved to Delta if you could because it had less of a soul sucking institutional feeling.

In the grand scheme paying some money to show your supporters you care about athletics is a decent spend. Remember many G5 schools spend ridiculous amounts on a coach to keep them there when the salary is absolutely not enough to keep the coach there if offered a better profile job not seen as a graveyard.

Sun Belt exit is $2 million. Presume CUSA is similar. That might sound like a lot to get similar revenue and a change in exposure but I suspect a good number of CUSA and Sun Belt schools have spent $2 million in a year to a fire a head coach and staff and hire a new one in hopes of getting fans off their back and a wistful hope of increased donations and ticket sales. It’s just not a big deterrent.
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(09-13-2021 03:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?

I don’t think that’s completely true. As Bernadette Peters says in The Jerk, it’s not the money I’ll miss, it’s all the stuff.

Texas and OU could have walked and gotten raises long ago but the landscape has changed. It’s power five in name only. The B1G and SEC are getting the headlines for money and exposure and ACC has been the one fighting SEC for football titles.

Movie quote again. Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.

I will not be ignored.

Money is a great tool and resource but the aura of who you affiliate with matters. Would UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati have turned down Big XII if the money was on par with AAC? Probably not. The association with those brands carries its own value.

Arkansas State isn’t in the AAC hunt as far as I know but even if Memphis got raided out AState leadership would still opt to affiliate with Tulsa, SMU, Tulane and East Carolina.

I suspect there are some CUSA schools who look back and ask why did we go to 14 instead of 12 or 10. Why didn’t we patch the holes and wait to see how things shook out? USM, Marshall, Rice, UAB got sold the idea of 14 can keep us at a million per or closer to a million per than 10 or 12 would. Didn’t work that way and instead of big Christmas bonus to put in a pool they got a membership in the jelly of the month club.

When I was in college Twin Towers was the men’s dorm apparently modeled on a correctional facility. Delta Hall sucked but you moved to Delta if you could because it had less of a soul sucking institutional feeling.

In the grand scheme paying some money to show your supporters you care about athletics is a decent spend. Remember many G5 schools spend ridiculous amounts on a coach to keep them there when the salary is absolutely not enough to keep the coach there if offered a better profile job not seen as a graveyard.

Sun Belt exit is $2 million. Presume CUSA is similar. That might sound like a lot get similar revenue and a change in exposure but I suspect a good number of CUSA and Sun Belt schools have spent $2 million in a year to a fire a head coach and staff and hire a new one in hopes of getting fans off their back and a wistful hope of increased donations and ticket sales. It’s just not a big deterrent.

It wasn't 2 million, but South Alabama had a booster approach the AD at the conclusion of last season and offer to pay for our previous coach's buyout. Instead of suffering through another season with no signs of improvement and recognizing the staff's inability to recruit FBS-level players, our AD took that money and got us a new coach. That new staff is more expensive, but we now have a shiny new on-campus stadium and couldn't afford to continue to be mired in irrelevancy.
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(09-13-2021 03:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Didn’t work that way and instead of big Christmas bonus to put in a pool they got a membership in the jelly of the month club.

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(09-13-2021 04:01 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 03:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:00 PM)TTT Wrote:  Money is driving all of this. What % increase in TV money do you think is enough for a school to leave their current conference and join another?

What are the averages that G5 conferences (per school) are currently making per year from their respective TV deals?

I don’t think that’s completely true. As Bernadette Peters says in The Jerk, it’s not the money I’ll miss, it’s all the stuff.

Texas and OU could have walked and gotten raises long ago but the landscape has changed. It’s power five in name only. The B1G and SEC are getting the headlines for money and exposure and ACC has been the one fighting SEC for football titles.

Movie quote again. Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.

I will not be ignored.

Money is a great tool and resource but the aura of who you affiliate with matters. Would UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati have turned down Big XII if the money was on par with AAC? Probably not. The association with those brands carries its own value.

Arkansas State isn’t in the AAC hunt as far as I know but even if Memphis got raided out AState leadership would still opt to affiliate with Tulsa, SMU, Tulane and East Carolina.

I suspect there are some CUSA schools who look back and ask why did we go to 14 instead of 12 or 10. Why didn’t we patch the holes and wait to see how things shook out? USM, Marshall, Rice, UAB got sold the idea of 14 can keep us at a million per or closer to a million per than 10 or 12 would. Didn’t work that way and instead of big Christmas bonus to put in a pool they got a membership in the jelly of the month club.

When I was in college Twin Towers was the men’s dorm apparently modeled on a correctional facility. Delta Hall sucked but you moved to Delta if you could because it had less of a soul sucking institutional feeling.

In the grand scheme paying some money to show your supporters you care about athletics is a decent spend. Remember many G5 schools spend ridiculous amounts on a coach to keep them there when the salary is absolutely not enough to keep the coach there if offered a better profile job not seen as a graveyard.

Sun Belt exit is $2 million. Presume CUSA is similar. That might sound like a lot get similar revenue and a change in exposure but I suspect a good number of CUSA and Sun Belt schools have spent $2 million in a year to a fire a head coach and staff and hire a new one in hopes of getting fans off their back and a wistful hope of increased donations and ticket sales. It’s just not a big deterrent.

It wasn't 2 million, but South Alabama had a booster approach the AD at the conclusion of last season and offer to pay for our previous coach's buyout. Instead of suffering through another season with no signs of improvement and recognizing the staff's inability to recruit FBS-level players, our AD took that money and got us a new coach. That new staff is more expensive, but we now have a shiny new on-campus stadium and couldn't afford to continue to be mired in irrelevancy.

Changing is expensive. You don’t just pay the head coach to go away, you’ve got to pay assistants anything their contract calls for along with accrued leave, and the new guys pretty much always make more and you pay their moving expenses to come in. Adds up. $2 million is a pretty ordinary sum to fix what you think is a problem in G5.
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(09-13-2021 01:05 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  34.5%

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I think it depends on the college/university and their loyalty to their conference as well as geographical presence. I think Nebraska would leave the Big 10 for the SEC if they could make $1 more per year. But (I would hope) schools like Ohio State, Michigan, Illinois, etc. would have at least a little more loyalty. A move for Pittsburgh to the Big 10 they would do without much of a jump. But to the Pac 12? They'd have to account for extra travel expenses. Temple probably makes more money playing in the AAC than they did in the A-10. But they had to cancel baseball, softball, and other sports since they'd have to travel to Houston and Dallas rather than play St. Joseph's and LaSalle.
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If leaving CUSA or the BELT for AAC you likely will get 4 to 5X the money you now get. Plus more Viewership #s and BB credits. You go without even thinking about it.
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(09-13-2021 07:28 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  If leaving CUSA or the BELT for AAC you likely will get 4 to 5X the money you now get. Plus more Viewership #s and BB credits. You go without even thinking about it.

OP is a Southern Miss fan. You know we won't be invited, but rubbing it in is nice.
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