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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
Temple and UMass were given full invites to the MAC and turned it down. Doubt the MAC offers again
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
Why would Uconn football even want to be in the MAC?

They already make more TV money, have a better schedule and better home games than any MAC team.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 11:17 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  
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(09-15-2021 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  After a quick look, their stadium is in Hartford, where UConn has a branch campus, a ton of alumni, and also plays basketball quite often. Something out of nothing it seems to me when considering the majority of fans that attend games are not current students.

Stadium location is fine. UConn’s challenge is they are playing G5 football. Like the rest of the Northeast people in CT will show up if a team is playing at the highest level and winning with some consistency. Teams at lower levels struggle to get attention and attendance. There is nothing UConn can do to change that. For example, unlike Delaware UConn FCS football was an afterthought outside of the UMass and Yale games. Plus UConn football is in the awkward position of having UConn basketball in a high level conference. UConn made the right decision on conference affiliation. They just need football to stop being an embarrassment and they’ll be fine.

They need to offer home and homes in men's and womens basketball to the MAC for FB only membership, that honestly would be their best outcome

UConn doesn’t need to do that. They’re not having trouble putting a schedule together. MAC teams are already on UConn’s future schedules.

I think it has more to do with having a stable football home then just kind of squandering in irrelevance. There are some winnable MAC games even for uconn. Just my 0.02

Are you trying to imply MAC teams aren't squandering in irrelevance?
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 11:41 AM)ccbfan Wrote:  Why would Uconn football even want to be in the MAC?

They already make more TV money, have a better schedule and better home games than any MAC team.

Strictly speaking I think the MAC gets a bit more in TV money, but it comes with the mid-week games requirement, which aren't what UConn needs right now.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 11:45 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 11:41 AM)ccbfan Wrote:  Why would Uconn football even want to be in the MAC?

They already make more TV money, have a better schedule and better home games than any MAC team.

Strictly speaking I think the MAC gets a bit more in TV money, but it comes with the mid-week games requirement, which aren't what UConn needs right now.

Temple got none of the MAC’s TV revenue as a football affiliate. I expect that they’d do the same with any other affiliate. There isn’t enough money in that contract to share it with affiliates because MAC ADs need whatever external revenue they can find.

I don’t feel like finding the articles but my recollection is that Steinbrecher made comments to the effect that the MAC experiment with football affiliates was finished when UMass left anyway.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
Jon Steinbrecher said when UConn left the AAC, it would have to make financial sense for the MAC. Now I've been creative to see if there was a way as taking a small piece of a normal cut and if ESPN would give a little more. Nope, still not enough. Then thought of the crazy unlike, unprovable scenario to get around other media deals. Require UMass and UConn play at a neutral cite with the MAC collect the gates, say in Cleveland for some familiarity with the MAC tourney site. Still perhaps get closer to even but not financially beneficial to the MAC.

Bottom line is don't see it making financial sense for the MAC and UConn wants no part of it. Believe UMass would jump at a chance for FB only. Created this thread and poll on UMassHoops site to see what the larger variety of fans think. The basic premise was to ask if CUSA offered a FB only, should we wait if it was still possible to get this from the MAC. Presumably we keep improving and help the MAC in the distribution of the performance part of the CFP.

Here is a thread and poll.
https://www.umasshoops.com/newboard/view...=2&t=16601
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 11:28 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Temple and UMass were given full invites to the MAC and turned it down. Doubt the MAC offers again

The deal was if one of the two left, it had an exit fee to pay and after a set number of years elapsed, the MAC could give the other one an option to join as full members or else leave.

Temple was the one who left, so only UMass got the ultimatum.

But it was an ongoing deal ... if neither had left, both would still be FB only members of the MAC today.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
The initial MAC suggestions a few years ago was because Uconn was having problems scheduling and a MAC schedule would have gave a solution.

Uconn's schedule is now 90% set until 2026 and better than any MAC team's.

Plus Uconn football alone is only getting a little bit less money than a MAC team's entire sports contract. I highly doubt the MAC will be willing to give Uconn a full share fore just football. Plus to understand how small the MAC TV contract is. Uconn woman's contract from SNY was worth more than it.

There's really 0 reason for Uconn to join the MAC.
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UConn needs to become an incubator for young upcoming coaches. They need younger more energetic coaches and a staff that can make inroads with local high school programs. UConn is a state flagship, nice stadium. No reason they can’t be flirting with .500 year in and year out. Transfer portal will help too.

Also, maybe a coaching staff that thinks outside of the box, lacrosse players, power fowards. The NFL is full of guys that converted from basketball and lacrosse once they got to college.
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(09-15-2021 10:29 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Give it up already. Travel expenses won’t go down for Temple in the MAC. Try looking at a map.

You need to look at a map.

Philly to schools in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and New York vs. Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Florida. Temple's furthest MAC trip would be Northern Illinois, 822 miles away. How many AAC trips are within 822 miles? ONE. East Carolina (410). Not USF (1,033). Not Memphis (1,008). How many AAC teams are West of the Mississippi? Three (SMU, Tulsa, Wichita State, I'll count Tulane as on the river). How many MAC teams are West of the Mississippi? ZERO.
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(09-15-2021 01:45 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 10:29 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Give it up already. Travel expenses won’t go down for Temple in the MAC. Try looking at a map.

You need to look at a map.

Philly to schools in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and New York vs. Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Florida. Temple's furthest MAC trip would be Northern Illinois, 822 miles away. How many AAC trips are within 822 miles? ONE. East Carolina (410). Not USF (1,033). Not Memphis (1,008). How many AAC teams are West of the Mississippi? Three (SMU, Tulsa, Wichita State, I'll count Tulane as on the river). How many MAC teams are West of the Mississippi? ZERO.

Temple flew everywhere except Buffalo, Kent and Akron. There are no savings because the teams are going to be on planes in either conference. I should have said look at a map and have a clue about how ADs handle travel.

The travel is actually better in the AAC because the members with the exception of ECU are in or near cities with non-stop air service from PHL. That isn’t close to true in the MAC. This is all beside the point because as Temple has publicly stated they aren’t interested in being a MAC affiliate let alone a full member.

Villanova should join the CAA as a full member because the travel is better and they won’t have to cross the Mississippi to play Creighton in soccer. It makes as much sense as Temple joining the MAC.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 11:42 AM)ccbfan Wrote:  
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(09-15-2021 11:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Stadium location is fine. UConn’s challenge is they are playing G5 football. Like the rest of the Northeast people in CT will show up if a team is playing at the highest level and winning with some consistency. Teams at lower levels struggle to get attention and attendance. There is nothing UConn can do to change that. For example, unlike Delaware UConn FCS football was an afterthought outside of the UMass and Yale games. Plus UConn football is in the awkward position of having UConn basketball in a high level conference. UConn made the right decision on conference affiliation. They just need football to stop being an embarrassment and they’ll be fine.

They need to offer home and homes in men's and womens basketball to the MAC for FB only membership, that honestly would be their best outcome

UConn doesn’t need to do that. They’re not having trouble putting a schedule together. MAC teams are already on UConn’s future schedules.

I think it has more to do with having a stable football home then just kind of squandering in irrelevance. There are some winnable MAC games even for uconn. Just my 0.02

Are you trying to imply MAC teams aren't squandering in irrelevance?
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(09-15-2021 02:12 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 01:45 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 10:29 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Give it up already. Travel expenses won’t go down for Temple in the MAC. Try looking at a map.

You need to look at a map.

Philly to schools in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and New York vs. Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Florida. Temple's furthest MAC trip would be Northern Illinois, 822 miles away. How many AAC trips are within 822 miles? ONE. East Carolina (410). Not USF (1,033). Not Memphis (1,008). How many AAC teams are West of the Mississippi? Three (SMU, Tulsa, Wichita State, I'll count Tulane as on the river). How many MAC teams are West of the Mississippi? ZERO.

Temple flew everywhere except Buffalo, Kent and Akron. There are no savings because the teams are going to be on planes in either conference. I should have said look at a map and have a clue about how ADs handle travel.

The travel is actually better in the AAC because the members with the exception of ECU are in or near cities with non-stop air service from PHL. That isn’t close to true in the MAC. This is all beside the point because as Temple has publicly stated they aren’t interested in being a MAC affiliate let alone a full member.

Villanova should join the CAA as a full member because the travel is better and they won’t have to cross the Mississippi to play Creighton in soccer. It makes as much sense as Temple joining the MAC.

You do realize football teams don’t fly commercial right…… they all fly charters. So everywhere is a nonstop.
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(09-15-2021 05:22 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 02:12 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 01:45 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 10:29 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Give it up already. Travel expenses won’t go down for Temple in the MAC. Try looking at a map.

You need to look at a map.

Philly to schools in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and New York vs. Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Florida. Temple's furthest MAC trip would be Northern Illinois, 822 miles away. How many AAC trips are within 822 miles? ONE. East Carolina (410). Not USF (1,033). Not Memphis (1,008). How many AAC teams are West of the Mississippi? Three (SMU, Tulsa, Wichita State, I'll count Tulane as on the river). How many MAC teams are West of the Mississippi? ZERO.

Temple flew everywhere except Buffalo, Kent and Akron. There are no savings because the teams are going to be on planes in either conference. I should have said look at a map and have a clue about how ADs handle travel.

The travel is actually better in the AAC because the members with the exception of ECU are in or near cities with non-stop air service from PHL. That isn’t close to true in the MAC. This is all beside the point because as Temple has publicly stated they aren’t interested in being a MAC affiliate let alone a full member.

Villanova should join the CAA as a full member because the travel is better and they won’t have to cross the Mississippi to play Creighton in soccer. It makes as much sense as Temple joining the MAC.

You do realize football teams don’t fly commercial right…… they all fly charters. So everywhere is a nonstop.

You do realize that this is a (pointless) discussion of Temple joining the MAC as a full member, right? Do the other teams than men’s basketball fly charter?
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(09-15-2021 05:44 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You do realize that this is a (pointless) discussion of Temple joining the MAC as a full member, right? Do the other teams than men’s basketball fly charter?

Yes, Temple will not join the MAC all-sports, so discussion of what happens to travel costs is beside the point. The issue would be if the AAC basketball drops far enough that Temple asks to return to the A10.

There, unless the conference realignment drains the supply of independent schools, playing independent might be a stronger option than when they last joined the A10 Olympic Sports, MAC FB.
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(Yesterday 04:31 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 05:44 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You do realize that this is a (pointless) discussion of Temple joining the MAC as a full member, right? Do the other teams than men’s basketball fly charter?

Yes, Temple will not join the MAC all-sports, so discussion of what happens to travel costs is beside the point. The issue would be if the AAC basketball drops far enough that Temple asks to return to the A10.

There, unless the conference realignment drains the supply of independent schools, playing independent might be a stronger option than when they last joined the A10 Olympic Sports, MAC FB.

Yeah, but even this assumes Temple is thinking with basketball definitively and demonstrative first, like UMass. I think there is a lot more riding on football success at a top level than what is held in Amherst.

At this point, losing Cincy and Houston is a tough hit for both sports. UCF a big blow toward football strength. Temple, if it isn’t going out and exploring options, is probably looking at Memphis and Wichita a bit more nervously now?

Then again, who’s to say the A10 will be winners in this round?
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(Yesterday 06:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
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(09-15-2021 05:44 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You do realize that this is a (pointless) discussion of Temple joining the MAC as a full member, right? Do the other teams than men’s basketball fly charter?

Yes, Temple will not join the MAC all-sports, so discussion of what happens to travel costs is beside the point. The issue would be if the AAC basketball drops far enough that Temple asks to return to the A10.

There, unless the conference realignment drains the supply of independent schools, playing independent might be a stronger option than when they last joined the A10 Olympic Sports, MAC FB.

Yeah, but even this assumes Temple is thinking with basketball definitively and demonstrative first, like UMass. I think there is a lot more riding on football success at a top level than what is held in Amherst.

Yes, I wasn't saying I thought it likely ... if they are even 50:50 football:MBB they stick with the AAC ... but joining the MAC all-sports doesn't even get on the table in an "all options on the table" discussion.

Quote:At this point, losing Cincy and Houston is a tough hit for both sports. UCF a big blow toward football strength. Temple, if it isn’t going out and exploring options, is probably looking at Memphis and Wichita a bit more nervously now?

They do have plenty to be nervous about, but they'll likely be focusing right now on whether the AAC invites do them any good. It would have to be a real bad realignment from their pespective before they even start looking at the "all options on yhe table" options.

Quote: Then again, who’s to say the A10 will be winners in this round?

No way to tell for sure, but the 4-team Big12 move, with the looming possibility of two more down the track, seems like it reduces the risk that any A10 schools would contemplate taking an AAC Olympic-sports invite. So there is substantial possibility the A10 is not hit by this round.
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(09-15-2021 05:44 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You do realize that this is a (pointless) discussion of Temple joining the MAC as a full member, right? Do the other teams than men’s basketball fly charter?

Yes, Temple will not join the MAC all-sports, so discussion of what happens to travel costs is beside the point. The issue would be if the AAC basketball drops far enough that Temple asks to return to the A10.

There, unless the conference realignment drains the supply of independent schools, playing independent might be a stronger option than when they last joined the A10 Olympic Sports, MAC FB.

Yeah, but even this assumes Temple is thinking with basketball definitively and demonstrative first, like UMass. I think there is a lot more riding on football success at a top level than what is held in Amherst.

At this point, losing Cincy and Houston is a tough hit for both sports. UCF a big blow toward football strength. Temple, if it isn’t going out and exploring options, is probably looking at Memphis and Wichita a bit more nervously now?

Then again, who’s to say the A10 will be winners in this round?

UMass can’t afford to put all of their teams on planes for every opponent except Buffalo. Their decision regarding MAC membership was as much financial as about basketball.

Temple’s options are AAC or A10. That’s it. If Temple ever gets to the point of considering going back to the A10 they’ll also be thinking about dropping football. The Linc lease is expensive and Temple would get a lower conference revenue distribution in the A10. I don’t know whether they’d choose football independent or to end football but I’m certain ending football would be a legitimate possibility.
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(Yesterday 06:58 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
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(09-15-2021 05:44 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  You do realize that this is a (pointless) discussion of Temple joining the MAC as a full member, right? Do the other teams than men’s basketball fly charter?

Yes, Temple will not join the MAC all-sports, so discussion of what happens to travel costs is beside the point. The issue would be if the AAC basketball drops far enough that Temple asks to return to the A10.

There, unless the conference realignment drains the supply of independent schools, playing independent might be a stronger option than when they last joined the A10 Olympic Sports, MAC FB.

Yeah, but even this assumes Temple is thinking with basketball definitively and demonstrative first, like UMass. I think there is a lot more riding on football success at a top level than what is held in Amherst.

At this point, losing Cincy and Houston is a tough hit for both sports. UCF a big blow toward football strength. Temple, if it isn’t going out and exploring options, is probably looking at Memphis and Wichita a bit more nervously now?

Then again, who’s to say the A10 will be winners in this round?

UMass can’t afford to put all of their teams on planes for every opponent except Buffalo. Their decision regarding MAC membership was as much financial as about basketball.

Temple’s options are AAC or A10. That’s it. If Temple ever gets to the point of considering going back to the A10 they’ll also be thinking about dropping football. The Linc lease is expensive and Temple would get a lower conference revenue distribution in the A10. I don’t know whether they’d choose football independent or to end football but I’m certain ending football would be a legitimate possibility.

LostInSpace. That was UMass's official reason for not going all sports. It was a way of turning down the invite. If you are talking about all sports, which is possible, but not likely have a few comments on travel and distances. Our football travel costs went up 100k when we left the MAC, not down. Yes we can bus to URI, Fordham, LaSalle and St. Joes. The later two are long bus rides for teams and believe the basketball team still flies. Olean is like Buffalo. Dayton and Duquesne are like several Ohio teams. St Louis and Davidson are like to the western MAC. The metro DC and Northern Virginia universities are a very long bus ride. Richmond is like Kent State or Akron. So overall the travel would be a little higher, but the MAC money is double for the media contract. The CFP money greatly out weighs the large NCAA credit pool and the revenue. Travel was just a polite way of saying no thank you back then. Maybe off some on the comparisons but you get the point travel is not a huge issue. It would be for all the other G5 conferences.
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