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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-14-2021 07:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  To summarize this thread: jilted AAC fanbois piling it on UConn

You gotta admit, no one needs to pile on UConn. They have been buried under a rock pile that their leadership created. There's no excuse to be losing to Holy Cross.

Google Pat Forde's article about the plight of UConn.

I can't blame anyone for noticing what's going on there.
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(09-14-2021 09:42 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 09:24 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 09:17 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 09:12 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 09:10 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  How? With the NIL and the court cases coming forward and the debt UConn has and that does not include if scholarships are raised.

What debt?

https://www.nhregister.com/uconn/article...885246.php

This article is outdated or incorrect?

That's not debt. It's paid in full every year. UConn did the same thing UCF did - funding sports with "athletics fees" or something similarly named that are baked into tuition.

Will that be sustainable in the future in football at $500,000 in UConn's present situation?

It shouldn't be like that going forward (COVID seasons aside) - one of the issues there is that was UConn's final season in the AAC and the school paid their exit fee in large part by foregoing any conference distribution from that year or the year prior. They've also made some other cuts elsewhere with the goal of getting total support from the school down to about $30 million or so.

That being said - yea, probably. If there's no trouble enrolling students, and UConn's more competitive than it's ever been, then they won't run out of that funding anytime soon.
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(09-14-2021 06:57 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The fix won't be easy but paying 5-6 million for a staff will get a lot of people interested in the head coaching position.

That would be a sign of a major commitment in UCONN football if it happens.
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(09-14-2021 07:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 06:57 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  Mathematically, it makes no sense for UConn to play in the MAC. With regards to basketball scheduling, we only get 11 non-conference games a year. At least 5 of them have to be big-name opponents. For instance, we play three games in Battle 4 Atlantis, one game in the Big 12-Big East challenge against WVU, and St. Bonaventure's (the best A-10 team) at a neutral site. That leaves six games. Every UConn fan's biggest issue with this year's schedule was the lack of a major home game OOC. There is no way that UConn could play even two MAC schools a year (one home and one away) and get the regular minimum of 16 home games a year.
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Is UConn playing WVU home or away this year in the challenge?? Why is UConn playing St. Bonaventure at a neutral site?? Also, you can't make an omelet if you don't want break any eggs (i.e. agreeing to play some MAC teams in basketball so the conference will take the football team). Therefore I disagree with you about not playing two MAC teams a year OOC. ...

But where does the assumption come from that two games annually would be enough? The previous deal, which never came to fruition because Temple left the year UMass entered, was 2H/2A per affiliate. Every MAC school participates two years out of three, every MAC school hosts once every three years. 1H/1A x2 doesn't seem likelt to attract the same interest from the schools that are more serious about MBB.

If UConn could well balk at two, and the MAC would likely require four, that right there is why it didn't happen in the first place when it would have saved UConn the cost of buying into those established contracts.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
In terms of the MAC taking UConn as a football only and UConn agreeing for some men's and women's basketball games: Right now UConn men's basketball probably isn't strong enough to be worth it for the MAC to make that deal and the UConn women haven't won a title since 2016. Paige Bueckers hasn't played in front of full capacity crowds yet, it would be interesting to see how popular she is this year. If UConn wanted the same deal right after they won the national championship in 2011 or 2014, it would have more attractive to the MAC. Unfortunately for the MAC, they also got Temple after John Chaney retired when Temple wasn't as good (two 2nd round appearances and no Sweet 16's under Fran Dunphy) and UMass men's basketball hasn't been relevant (ONE NCAA appearance since Calipari left). Is it worth adding Temple or UMass as a football member only? I still think it is worth getting East Coast exposure but it is certainly limited.

Should the MAC consider Temple and UMass as full invites? Why not? Should either consider the MAC all in?

UMass? They find a conference for football. The MAC right now for men's basketball is below the A-10. Not sure how the finances would work out. The MAC probably doesn't make much money for football but it's certainly non zero and could tip the scale in favor of the MAC. Travel would go up but the only New England team in the A-10 is Rhode Island and they are already traveling to Dayton, St. Louis, VCU (Richmond), and Davidson (Charlotte). If Temple goes with them, at least they'll have an Eastern team in the conference.

Temple? Travel expenses with the MAC vs. the AAC would go down. After Cincinnati and Houston leave the AAC, the AAC is going to be pretty weak in men's basketball, bordering on a one bid conference. Football is a consideration but if Temple's going to be blown out 61-14 by Rutgers how big of a concern should football be? Temple men's basketball has been irrelevant in the AAC and anyone in Philly knows basketball is the #1 sport there and it's been embarrassing recently. Are Miami Ohio and Ball State any more attractive than Tulsa and Tulane? No, but they're a lot closer. At least Temple could say the AAC was a decent conference when Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF were there. Now why are they flying to Texas multiple times a year for?
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Quick correction on the above post: UMass has been to 3 NCAAs since Calipari left, just two of them were the seasons immediately following his departure (he left in 1996, and UMass made both the 1997 and 1998 tournaments). So technicality there, since that was still with Cal recruits and such.
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While UMass and UConn could benefit with a FB only arrangement with another conference as the MAC, don't see how it financial benefits the conference especially the MAC.

There is a possibility, not likely that some day UMass could go all sports to another conference as the MAC. But that is not true for UConn. They will always be independent as their fans still wish and could go with FB only. The Big East is their conference and that will not change.

Noting UMass has been recruiting better, but currently has 10 starters out after opening with two ACC teams including the starting QB, RB and etc, UConn has recruited much better and once they get the coaching situation figured out could come off the floor.


---------extra financial stuff if you care to read -----

The A10 media contract is up for renewal last year and was kicked down the road and is at 5M with 14 teams. The revenue sharing is 25% of NCAA credits if you haven't earning any in the last 6 years. If you have then it's 75%. UMass is in the 25% pool with it's last NCAA credit earned in 2014. The MAC media contract is 10M with 12 teams, but the total NCAA credits are about 1/3 of the A10. The revenue sharing is more balanced so the difference is not huge. Without a conference the CFP payout is almost nothing compared to the MAC. Temple and the AAC is a different story. regarding media, NCAA credits and CFP money.
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(09-15-2021 05:54 AM)schmolik Wrote:  In terms of the MAC taking UConn as a football only and UConn agreeing for some men's and women's basketball games: Right now UConn men's basketball probably isn't strong enough to be worth it for the MAC to make that deal and the UConn women haven't won a title since 2016.

I think this is overanalyzing it. Many MAC basketball programs struggle to get brand name teams in their building. For the Bowling Green men, the most glamorous nonconference home opponents the past few seasons have been (or will be):

2021-22 Oakland
2020-21 Wright State
2019-20 Dartmouth, Oakland, or Cleveland State
2018-19 Drexel or Green Bay
2017-18 Evansville or San Jose State

In this context, games with UMass, UConn, or Temple are quite nice to have.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 09:44 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 05:54 AM)schmolik Wrote:  In terms of the MAC taking UConn as a football only and UConn agreeing for some men's and women's basketball games: Right now UConn men's basketball probably isn't strong enough to be worth it for the MAC to make that deal and the UConn women haven't won a title since 2016.

I think this is overanalyzing it. Many MAC basketball programs struggle to get brand name teams in their building. For the Bowling Green men, the most glamorous nonconference home opponents the past few seasons have been (or will be):

2021-22 Oakland
2020-21 Wright State
2019-20 Dartmouth, Oakland, or Cleveland State
2018-19 Drexel or Green Bay
2017-18 Evansville or San Jose State

In this context, games with UMass, UConn, or Temple are quite nice to have.

Perception is a hell of a thing. People will remember schools for things that happened a long time ago without realizing it might no longer apply.

So yeah, that's to say: UCONN especially, but Temple and UMass as well, bring that to the table for basketball. It's just a question on what any of that is worth, and if it's (plus any additional Northeast exposure) enough to warrant an invite for football only.

I personally thing it would be fun to have UMass, UCONN, and Buffalo in the same division of a conference. Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New York going at it on a yearly basis sounds fun.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 09:55 AM)e-parade Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 09:44 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 05:54 AM)schmolik Wrote:  In terms of the MAC taking UConn as a football only and UConn agreeing for some men's and women's basketball games: Right now UConn men's basketball probably isn't strong enough to be worth it for the MAC to make that deal and the UConn women haven't won a title since 2016.

I think this is overanalyzing it. Many MAC basketball programs struggle to get brand name teams in their building. For the Bowling Green men, the most glamorous nonconference home opponents the past few seasons have been (or will be):

2021-22 Oakland
2020-21 Wright State
2019-20 Dartmouth, Oakland, or Cleveland State
2018-19 Drexel or Green Bay
2017-18 Evansville or San Jose State

In this context, games with UMass, UConn, or Temple are quite nice to have.

Perception is a hell of a thing. People will remember schools for things that happened a long time ago without realizing it might no longer apply.

So yeah, that's to say: UCONN especially, but Temple and UMass as well, bring that to the table for basketball. It's just a question on what any of that is worth, and if it's (plus any additional Northeast exposure) enough to warrant an invite for football only.

I personally thing it would be fun to have UMass, UCONN, and Buffalo in the same division of a conference. Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New York going at it on a yearly basis sounds fun.

I doubt that Buffalo fans would share that feeling. They are much closer to the schools in Ohio than to either UConn or UMass. They are technically in New York, but their closest major city is Toronto.
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(09-15-2021 05:54 AM)schmolik Wrote:  In terms of the MAC taking UConn as a football only and UConn agreeing for some men's and women's basketball games: Right now UConn men's basketball probably isn't strong enough to be worth it for the MAC to make that deal and the UConn women haven't won a title since 2016. Paige Bueckers hasn't played in front of full capacity crowds yet, it would be interesting to see how popular she is this year. If UConn wanted the same deal right after they won the national championship in 2011 or 2014, it would have more attractive to the MAC. Unfortunately for the MAC, they also got Temple after John Chaney retired when Temple wasn't as good (two 2nd round appearances and no Sweet 16's under Fran Dunphy) and UMass men's basketball hasn't been relevant (ONE NCAA appearance since Calipari left). Is it worth adding Temple or UMass as a football member only? I still think it is worth getting East Coast exposure but it is certainly limited.

Should the MAC consider Temple and UMass as full invites? Why not? Should either consider the MAC all in?

UMass? They find a conference for football. The MAC right now for men's basketball is below the A-10. Not sure how the finances would work out. The MAC probably doesn't make much money for football but it's certainly non zero and could tip the scale in favor of the MAC. Travel would go up but the only New England team in the A-10 is Rhode Island and they are already traveling to Dayton, St. Louis, VCU (Richmond), and Davidson (Charlotte). If Temple goes with them, at least they'll have an Eastern team in the conference.

Temple? Travel expenses with the MAC vs. the AAC would go down. After Cincinnati and Houston leave the AAC, the AAC is going to be pretty weak in men's basketball, bordering on a one bid conference. Football is a consideration but if Temple's going to be blown out 61-14 by Rutgers how big of a concern should football be? Temple men's basketball has been irrelevant in the AAC and anyone in Philly knows basketball is the #1 sport there and it's been embarrassing recently. Are Miami Ohio and Ball State any more attractive than Tulsa and Tulane? No, but they're a lot closer. At least Temple could say the AAC was a decent conference when Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF were there. Now why are they flying to Texas multiple times a year for?

Give it up already. Travel expenses won’t go down for Temple in the MAC. Try looking at a map. There was a quote from a former Temple administrator in the Inquirer yesterday. Their response as to whether Temple would be willing to go back to the MAC as a football affiliate not even as a full member: “CAN NOT go back to the MAC or indy,” … “indy, MAC or drop football, drop football [is] the way to go.”. Anyone with a pulse or any interest in Temple athletics already knew this.
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(09-14-2021 12:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:28 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Keep on keeping on then. As I stated earlier I looked at your schedule through 2028 and as your program stands right now there my be 2 wins.

I mean, obviously "as the program stands right now" isn't the intention for the next decade. That's not really a meaningful argument.

What in football has UConn ever really done:
Winning program, No.
One IAA playoff (1998)
One BCS game (Lost 1.7 million on the game)
All time record 511-582-38 (.469 winning %)

You play in a 43K seat stadium 26 miles count them 26 miles off campus. That would be like Toledo playing football on Bowling Green's campus (Toledo to BUGS 31 miles). Who ever thought that was a good idea was out of their mind.

None of this points in the direction that UConn is going to be a sleeping giant. There are some programs that are just never going to succeed long term no matter what and UConn looks to be one of those.
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(09-15-2021 10:37 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:28 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Keep on keeping on then. As I stated earlier I looked at your schedule through 2028 and as your program stands right now there my be 2 wins.

I mean, obviously "as the program stands right now" isn't the intention for the next decade. That's not really a meaningful argument.

What in football has UConn ever really done:
Winning program, No.
One IAA playoff (1998)
One BCS game (Lost 1.7 million on the game)
All time record 511-582-38 (.469 winning %)

You play in a 43K seat stadium 26 miles count them 26 miles off campus. That would be like Toledo playing football on Bowling Green's campus (Toledo to BUGS 31 miles). Who ever thought that was a good idea was out of their mind.

None of this points in the direction that UConn is going to be a sleeping giant. There are some programs that are just never going to succeed long term no matter what and UConn looks to be one of those.

It would have been close to impossible for a major public university administration to pass on an opportunity to join a power football conference even if there was a high likelihood that the stay at the power level would be brief. Moving to the Rent was the only option for playing in the Big East. It was much easier for Villanova to pass on the opportunity which was the right decision for them. The VU admin just had to deal with a small number of loud mouths.

UConn’s record in football is just barely different from Temple’s. They aren’t at all likely to be a G5 powerhouse. However they have the resources to be competitive provided they don’t over schedule power conference teams. If they’re competitive and do a reasonable job containing expense UConn’s administration will be satisfied. Football just needs to stop being an embarrassment and it will eventually.
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After a quick look, their stadium is in Hartford, where UConn has a branch campus, a ton of alumni, and also plays basketball quite often. Something out of nothing it seems to me when considering the majority of fans that attend games are not current students.
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(09-14-2021 09:59 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 07:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  To summarize this thread: jilted AAC fanbois piling it on UConn

You gotta admit, no one needs to pile on UConn. They have been buried under a rock pile that their leadership created. There's no excuse to be losing to Holy Cross.

Google Pat Forde's article about the plight of UConn.

I can't blame anyone for noticing what's going on there.

Says no one needs to pile on, immediately proceeds to pile on...
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(09-15-2021 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  After a quick look, their stadium is in Hartford, where UConn has a branch campus, a ton of alumni, and also plays basketball quite often. Something out of nothing it seems to me when considering the majority of fans that attend games are not current students.

Stadium location is fine. UConn’s challenge is they are playing G5 football. Like the rest of the Northeast people in CT will show up if a team is playing at the highest level and winning with some consistency. Teams at lower levels struggle to get attention and attendance. There is nothing UConn can do to change that. For example, unlike Delaware UConn FCS football was an afterthought outside of the UMass and Yale games. Plus UConn football is in the awkward position of having UConn basketball in a high level conference. UConn made the right decision on conference affiliation. They just need football to stop being an embarrassment and they’ll be fine.
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(09-15-2021 11:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  After a quick look, their stadium is in Hartford, where UConn has a branch campus, a ton of alumni, and also plays basketball quite often. Something out of nothing it seems to me when considering the majority of fans that attend games are not current students.

Stadium location is fine. UConn’s challenge is they are playing G5 football. Like the rest of the Northeast people in CT will show up if a team is playing at the highest level and winning with some consistency. Teams at lower levels struggle to get attention and attendance. There is nothing UConn can do to change that. For example, unlike Delaware UConn FCS football was an afterthought outside of the UMass and Yale games. Plus UConn football is in the awkward position of having UConn basketball in a high level conference. UConn made the right decision on conference affiliation. They just need football to stop being an embarrassment and they’ll be fine.

They need to offer home and homes in men's and womens basketball to the MAC for FB only membership, that honestly would be their best outcome
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 10:37 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:37 PM)Bogg Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 12:28 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Keep on keeping on then. As I stated earlier I looked at your schedule through 2028 and as your program stands right now there my be 2 wins.

I mean, obviously "as the program stands right now" isn't the intention for the next decade. That's not really a meaningful argument.

What in football has UConn ever really done:
Winning program, No.
One IAA playoff (1998)
One BCS game (Lost 1.7 million on the game)
All time record 511-582-38 (.469 winning %)

You play in a 43K seat stadium 26 miles count them 26 miles off campus. That would be like Toledo playing football on Bowling Green's campus (Toledo to BUGS 31 miles). Who ever thought that was a good idea was out of their mind.

None of this points in the direction that UConn is going to be a sleeping giant. There are some programs that are just never going to succeed long term no matter what and UConn looks to be one of those.

I mean, Marshall's never done anything of significance and they're plugging along just fine as the JV program in a state with half the population of Connecticut.

The stadium location's a PIA for the students, no doubt, but they dropped it in Hartford to put it near the population center in the northern part of the state - when they were winning 6 or so games a year it was sold out regularly. Honestly not ideal, but between Rentschler and their on-campus practice center they've got better facilities than most of the G-level programs out there, and they don't play their games on Facebook. Maybe they'll hire the right coach or maybe they won't (again), but there's stuff there for a guy to build a program off of.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 11:09 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 11:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  After a quick look, their stadium is in Hartford, where UConn has a branch campus, a ton of alumni, and also plays basketball quite often. Something out of nothing it seems to me when considering the majority of fans that attend games are not current students.

Stadium location is fine. UConn’s challenge is they are playing G5 football. Like the rest of the Northeast people in CT will show up if a team is playing at the highest level and winning with some consistency. Teams at lower levels struggle to get attention and attendance. There is nothing UConn can do to change that. For example, unlike Delaware UConn FCS football was an afterthought outside of the UMass and Yale games. Plus UConn football is in the awkward position of having UConn basketball in a high level conference. UConn made the right decision on conference affiliation. They just need football to stop being an embarrassment and they’ll be fine.

They need to offer home and homes in men's and womens basketball to the MAC for FB only membership, that honestly would be their best outcome

UConn doesn’t need to do that. They’re not having trouble putting a schedule together. MAC teams are already on UConn’s future schedules.
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RE: It's getting desperate at UConn
(09-15-2021 11:14 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 11:09 AM)mvcfan76 Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 11:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 10:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  After a quick look, their stadium is in Hartford, where UConn has a branch campus, a ton of alumni, and also plays basketball quite often. Something out of nothing it seems to me when considering the majority of fans that attend games are not current students.

Stadium location is fine. UConn’s challenge is they are playing G5 football. Like the rest of the Northeast people in CT will show up if a team is playing at the highest level and winning with some consistency. Teams at lower levels struggle to get attention and attendance. There is nothing UConn can do to change that. For example, unlike Delaware UConn FCS football was an afterthought outside of the UMass and Yale games. Plus UConn football is in the awkward position of having UConn basketball in a high level conference. UConn made the right decision on conference affiliation. They just need football to stop being an embarrassment and they’ll be fine.

They need to offer home and homes in men's and womens basketball to the MAC for FB only membership, that honestly would be their best outcome

UConn doesn’t need to do that. They’re not having trouble putting a schedule together. MAC teams are already on UConn’s future schedules.

I think it has more to do with having a stable football home then just kind of squandering in irrelevance. There are some winnable MAC games even for uconn. Just my 0.02
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