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(09-11-2021 07:01 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I think this was already posted elsewhere on the board but apparently not everyone has seen it:

Aresco said his conference plans to move "deliberately and expeditiously" to add two to four teams and beef up the league to 10 or 12 following the three departures. Aresco declined to name specific schools the AAC is interested in, but said it would only "entertain institutions that have shown an interest in us."

"We're not trying to poach, we're not trying to persuade," he said. "There have been schools that have shown interest in us. I'm trying not to create any instability in the system. We're just trying right now to regroup. We know we need to get bigger. That's just a fact of life based on what's happened, but I'm trying not to rile things up."

Aresco said the AAC would likely look for members in all sports, not just football, but that's also a possibility.


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That sounds like weeks to me, not months or years.

He says that geography matters less and less because travel is better. I would say he's 12 months behind on that. Gas prices have gone through the roof and Covid has changed travel.
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(09-11-2021 03:40 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  In terms of public announcements, I think they have to shitt or get off the pot by October 1. If nothing happens by then, it will just mean they got turned down by their 1st/2nd/3rd choices and don’t know what to do next.

I was told by a reliable person that AAC would be visiting a series of schools into mid-October.
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(09-11-2021 03:40 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  In terms of public announcements, I think they have to shitt or get off the pot by October 1. If nothing happens by then, it will just mean they got turned down by their 1st/2nd/3rd choices and don’t know what to do next.

I was told by a reliable person that AAC would be visiting a series of schools into mid-October.

Did your reliable source name any of the campuses the AAC is visiting. 04-jawdrop 02-13-banana02-13-banana COGS COGS 04-cheers
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(09-12-2021 10:21 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  If the AAC can't lure a couple of top MWC schools and if Army won't come then they don't have top brands to choose from like they did when they 1st formed.

The best football brands in CUSA are easy to spot; Marsall, UAB, La Tech. Other good teams are WKU, FAU, UTSA and UNT has had some recent success. USM has faded but everyone knows who they are.

I doubt that the AAC will take more than 2 out of CUSA.

5 teams have won championships since the realignment:
Rice
Marshall
WKU-2
FAU-2
UAB-2

USM won the last year before the realignment. Its been a pretty balanced league. LT, UNT and MTSU (as well as USM) have also been to the ccg, but not won.

ODU, UNCC, FIU, UTEP and UTSA are the schools who have not even been to the ccg.

UAB, MTSU, Marshall, UNT and ODU are the schools who have won the basketball tournament.
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(09-12-2021 03:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 10:21 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  If the AAC can't lure a couple of top MWC schools and if Army won't come then they don't have top brands to choose from like they did when they 1st formed.

The best football brands in CUSA are easy to spot; Marsall, UAB, La Tech. Other good teams are WKU, FAU, UTSA and UNT has had some recent success. USM has faded but everyone knows who they are.

I doubt that the AAC will take more than 2 out of CUSA.

5 teams have won championships since the realignment:
Rice
Marshall
WKU-2
FAU-2
UAB-2

USM won the last year before the realignment. Its been a pretty balanced league. LT, UNT and MTSU (as well as USM) have also been to the ccg, but not won.

ODU, UNCC, FIU, UTEP and UTSA are the schools who have not even been to the ccg.

UAB, MTSU, Marshall, UNT and ODU are the schools who have won the basketball tournament.

Winning is a factor in realignment, but not the only, or even the most important. Aresco spelled it all out for everyone.
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(09-12-2021 02:21 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 02:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  As much as it pains me to say it, App State is the most consistent and strongest football in NC. They have commitment and are use to winning no matter the level. If they get more money coming in, they will only improve and build more seats into Kidd-Brewer. Know many from Raleigh that make the trips to the Boone when they play.
Agree, I think that’s one program that could really benefit from AAC membership…$, exposure and brand building.

But wouldn’t the addition of App State to AAC further freeze East Carolina from reviving their football program?!?
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(09-12-2021 04:21 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 03:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 10:21 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  If the AAC can't lure a couple of top MWC schools and if Army won't come then they don't have top brands to choose from like they did when they 1st formed.

The best football brands in CUSA are easy to spot; Marsall, UAB, La Tech. Other good teams are WKU, FAU, UTSA and UNT has had some recent success. USM has faded but everyone knows who they are.

I doubt that the AAC will take more than 2 out of CUSA.

5 teams have won championships since the realignment:
Rice
Marshall
WKU-2
FAU-2
UAB-2

USM won the last year before the realignment. Its been a pretty balanced league. LT, UNT and MTSU (as well as USM) have also been to the ccg, but not won.

ODU, UNCC, FIU, UTEP and UTSA are the schools who have not even been to the ccg.

UAB, MTSU, Marshall, UNT and ODU are the schools who have won the basketball tournament.

Winning is a factor in realignment, but not the only, or even the most important. Aresco spelled it all out for everyone.

Yes. I was making the point that the differences aren't as clear cut as some on here are implying.
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(09-12-2021 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
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(09-12-2021 09:32 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The AAC already knows who has reached out. The big play if available is out west, but I doubt that happens.

My guess is 6 weeks from now you will know at least 2 schools and more than likely 4. Personal opinion Rice would be a terrible add.
any combo of ODU, Marshall, Buffalo, Ga St, UAB, Charlotte, and Maybe a F_U can make sense. Decent sized schools from decent Markets.

My 4, UAB, Marshall, ODU, and either Charlotte or Ga St.

Thanks for the input, it's garbage, and enjoy the B12.
ODU and Charlotte are garbage.

UAB is strong.

Georgia State, Marshall somewhere in between. Georgia State on the same path as Houston and UCF, but that’s still a decade away.

UAB is the best of bad options. “Strong” doesn’t exist. If they were strong they’d have been #12 already.
Ain't that how it works. Anyone who is all that in realignment would already be in said conference if they were "strong" . I am sure there are B12 fans vomiting into paper bags at taking three city school non land grant non flagship universities.

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(09-12-2021 12:30 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 12:24 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  ODU was on the (mostly) right path until it sat out the 2020 season.

And yeah I know that was not a voluntary decision. But even so, it’s going to hurt you for a long time.

No sitting out 2020 isn't what hurt our program although it added complexity to the recovery efforts. What hurt us bad was the decision to continue with an FCS coach who is terrible at FBS level for 2 long horrible years after the signs of trouble started showing during which his only accomplishment was an upset of VT at home. They should've cut his ass back in 2018 which they didn't and now we are seeing the lingering effects. Don't worry about us though we will be fine going forward.
I really wish you guys had gone with the original palms for your stadium. It looked like it was going to be badass.

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(09-12-2021 03:13 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 07:01 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I think this was already posted elsewhere on the board but apparently not everyone has seen it:

Aresco said his conference plans to move "deliberately and expeditiously" to add two to four teams and beef up the league to 10 or 12 following the three departures. Aresco declined to name specific schools the AAC is interested in, but said it would only "entertain institutions that have shown an interest in us."

"We're not trying to poach, we're not trying to persuade," he said. "There have been schools that have shown interest in us. I'm trying not to create any instability in the system. We're just trying right now to regroup. We know we need to get bigger. That's just a fact of life based on what's happened, but I'm trying not to rile things up."

Aresco said the AAC would likely look for members in all sports, not just football, but that's also a possibility.


https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...r-exit-fee

That sounds like weeks to me, not months or years.

He says that geography matters less and less because travel is better. I would say he's 12 months behind on that. Gas prices have gone through the roof and Covid has changed travel.
He's saying that in hopes of luring a MWC school or three. Not happening.

The more important part was about DNA and fit.

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(09-11-2021 11:17 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(09-11-2021 09:16 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  [quote='Milwaukee' pid='17628299' dateline='1631409961']

Quote:One thing I find troubling about what Aresco said is that he has no intention of discussing possible membership with any school that doesn't contact him first. That could easily have a devastating impact on the pool of potential members.

Only if you think there are schools that want to join the American, but have not reached out to Aresco or any of the AAC Presidents/Chancellors/etc. That just doesn’t sound real to me. Disagree if you like.

Ok, I will disagree on that point. You seem to think that all of the schools that have potential interest in joining the AAC have reached out or will soon reach out to Aresco.

I'm not at all convinced that they have or that they will, and here's why:

There are some "go-getters" in this world who know that for anything good to happen, they've got to go out and make things happen. In my view, the "go-getters" among the various university presidents are going to reach out to the AAC and let them know that they'd like to join.

Then, there are the "let them come to me" crowd. They don't believe in asking for anything, because they think that would make them look weak. Some of those are the proudest, and they often have the most to be proud of. They may also be a bit narcissistic, as many people are. Their pride and self-absorption prevents them from reaching out, and this could prevent them, including some of the best candidates from asking to be invited to join the AAC.

A third group includes people, including some university presidents who are overwhelmed with millions of responsibilities and simply don't have time to, or don't get around to requesting an invitation to the AAC because they've got so many other things on their mind. They figure that "if the AAC really wants our school to join, they'll be savvy enough to ask us. Besides, I've got a million other things to deal with right now."

What I'm suggesting is that the only university presidents who are going to make the initial contact with the AAC are those in group 1 - - the "go-getters."

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I'm pointing out what I think is a fallacy at the foundation of the idea that all the university presidents know that if they want to join the AAC, they have to contact Mike Aresco and express their interest in joining the conference.

That type of fallacy is sometimes described as the "perfect" or "complete information hypothesis." It assumes that everyone who is capable of making a decision does so rationally and is so well-informed that he has complete information about all the key variables, knows exactly what to do, and is smart enough to do it in a timely manner.

The argument against the "complete information hypothesis" is that hardly anyone has perfect or complete information, and that people don't make decisions the way computers do. Most people have all kinds of conflicting priorities, and they're often overwhelmed with myriad tasks and responsibilities, so they have to "triage" or focus on only a few of the most pressing things at any one time, and let everything else sort itself out.

There are also some other factors that could prevent some of the presidents from contacting Aresco, even if they'd seriously consider joining the AAC, if asked. For example, a couple of them might find it annoying that Aresco wasn't willing to contact them first with an invitation, and their annoyance might be enough to keep them from contacting him.

Some may simply have too little interest in athletics to follow the news carefully, and so they simply may not realize that there's a golden opportunity to join the AAC. By the time they hear about it, the AAC has already decided that they'll invite some other school.

A couple of others might be dealing with some kind of personal stress, illness, traumatic event, or emotional problems that make it harder than usual to make critical decisions for a period of time. Not everyone functions well, consistently, and many humans go through unproductive periods. If contacted, an emotionally distressed university president might be thrilled to get an invitation to join the AAC, but he/she might not be able to summon the will power to make the first contact.

These are some of the types of things that could prevent certain university presidents from being the first to contact the AAC to apply for membership. There may be others that I haven't listed, but the existence of such factors points out what I consider a potentially tragic logical flaw in Commissioner Aresco's reasoning, which is that he's not going to contact any schools, because he doesn't want to rock the boat, or to "rile" anything or anybody up.

What Aresco doesn't realize, I would subscribe, is that there may be many university presidents and ADs who would be very interested in considering an invitation to join the AAC if asked, but who won't get around to asking for one of a thousand different reasons.

Ok I think maybe you're reading the tea leaves a little too much here. It's a dick move to go poaching teams. Only talking to teams that "have expressed interest" is just something you say so you don't look like you're poaching. Texas and Oklahoma had to apply to joining the SEC, Houston/UCF/Cindy did the same thing to joining the Big 12, then those conferences accepted their applications.

The AAC is very likely starting some of the conversations through intermediaries. In other situations, like with Boise and SDSU, they already have an existing conversation they can follow up on.

Really the whole thing is just trying not to seem like an a-hole. It's just language. The AAC is talking to the teams they want to talk to.

Shorter version: I think you're getting way too hung up on one sentence.
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(09-12-2021 07:09 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 10:04 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 09:39 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(09-12-2021 09:32 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The AAC already knows who has reached out. The big play if available is out west, but I doubt that happens.

My guess is 6 weeks from now you will know at least 2 schools and more than likely 4. Personal opinion Rice would be a terrible add.
any combo of ODU, Marshall, Buffalo, Ga St, UAB, Charlotte, and Maybe a F_U can make sense. Decent sized schools from decent Markets.

My 4, UAB, Marshall, ODU, and either Charlotte or Ga St.

Thanks for the input, it's garbage, and enjoy the B12.
ODU and Charlotte are garbage.

UAB is strong.

Georgia State, Marshall somewhere in between. Georgia State on the same path as Houston and UCF, but that’s still a decade away.

UAB is the best of bad options. “Strong” doesn’t exist. If they were strong they’d have been #12 already.
Ain't that how it works. Anyone who is all that in realignment would already be in said conference if they were "strong" . I am sure there are B12 fans vomiting into paper bags at taking three city school non land grant non flagship universities.

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I'm sure they aren't thrilled, but you noticed they added 4 quickly because there were 4 who were pretty obviously the best of the bunch they could add with history, tradition, and massive recent success in both hoops and football. Even lowering the standards there aren't 4 obvious additions for the AAC that would say yes to an invite. UAB is the only one that comes close to meeting what I would assume are all the qualifications AAC presidents would be looking for (not necessarily in this order good academics, good market, good football history and current results, good basketball history and current results, good facilities/budget). It's a struggle to find other schools who even meet 3 of those 5 and usually at the places they fall short they fall way way way short.
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(09-13-2021 11:07 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Only talking to teams that "have expressed interest" is just something you say so you don't look like you're poaching. Texas and Oklahoma had to apply to joining the SEC, Houston/UCF/Cindy did the same thing to joining the Big 12, then those conferences accepted their applications.

The AAC is very likely starting some of the conversations through intermediaries.
In other situations, like with Boise and SDSU, they already have an existing conversation they can follow up on. The AAC is talking to the teams they want to talk to.

I hope you're right, and that the AAC is talking to the schools they want to.

However, unlike the Big 12 situation, when the internet was ablaze with stories and rumors, there don't seem to have seen any indications or hints, or rumors suggesting that the AAC has been talking with any of the schools they want to. "The silence has been deafening."

The main question is: if Aresco's phone has been ringing off the hook, why are Charlotte and Rice the only schools that have been mentioned as having discussions with the AAC thus far?
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(09-12-2021 02:11 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  As much as it pains me to say it, App State is the most consistent and strongest football in NC. They have commitment and are use to winning no matter the level. If they get more money coming in, they will only improve and build more seats into Kidd-Brewer. Know many from Raleigh that make the trips to the Boone when they play.
Agree, I think that’s one program that could really benefit from AAC membership…$, exposure and brand building.

But wouldn’t the addition of App State to AAC further freeze East Carolina from reviving their football program?!?

Appy is great program and everyone would love a road trip to ski country but their addition undercuts ECU and they bring a real small market. Southern Miss is in the same boat. They deserve to be in the American but it isn’t happening for them.
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(09-13-2021 12:17 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 11:07 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Only talking to teams that "have expressed interest" is just something you say so you don't look like you're poaching. Texas and Oklahoma had to apply to joining the SEC, Houston/UCF/Cindy did the same thing to joining the Big 12, then those conferences accepted their applications.

The AAC is very likely starting some of the conversations through intermediaries.
In other situations, like with Boise and SDSU, they already have an existing conversation they can follow up on. The AAC is talking to the teams they want to talk to.

I hope you're right, and that the AAC is talking to the schools they want to.

However, unlike the Big 12 situation, when the internet was ablaze with stories and rumors, there don't seem to have seen any indications or hints, or rumors suggesting that the AAC has been talking with any of the schools they want to. "The silence has been deafening."

The main question is: if Aresco's phone has been ringing off the hook, why are Charlotte and Rice the only schools that have been mentioned as having discussions with the AAC thus far?

Every member of the CUSA and the Sunbelt would be happy to join the American. UMass and UConn along with Liberty would be happy to join as well. Aresco might not like the choices he has but he certainly has about 30 schools to choose from.
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(09-11-2021 05:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I would say by early-November, at the latest.

To me, it is fascinating thinking about the voting blocks that remain within the AAC.

Temple, IMO, is likely on an island. They would love a Buffalo, a Marshall, Old Dominion, etc., in order to create at least one travel partner. They would also like a member that is competitive in hoops.

I think SMU, Tulsa, Wichita State and Navy are also a group. They would desire to keep more of a southwestern presence for many reasons.

ECU and USF are similar to me as well. They could care less about basketball, but would like a regional football partner that can support and sustain football.

Memphis can be similar with both SMU and USF in seeking a football power, but, differently, would also want a basketball program to help maintain the league as a high-major.

Thus, could it be where each block gets a pick? All - UAB. Temple - Marshall. Memphis/ECU/USF - Old Dominion. SMU/Tulsa/Navy/Wichita - Rice.

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(09-11-2021 05:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I would say by early-November, at the latest.

To me, it is fascinating thinking about the voting blocks that remain within the AAC.

Temple, IMO, is likely on an island. They would love a Buffalo, a Marshall, Old Dominion, etc., in order to create at least one travel partner. They would also like a member that is competitive in hoops.

I think SMU, Tulsa, Wichita State and Navy are also a group. They would desire to keep more of a southwestern presence for many reasons.

ECU and USF are similar to me as well. They could care less about basketball, but would like a regional football partner that can support and sustain football.

Memphis can be similar with both SMU and USF in seeking a football power, but, differently, would also want a basketball program to help maintain the league as a high-major.

Thus, could it be where each block gets a pick? All - UAB. Temple - Marshall. Memphis/ECU/USF - Old Dominion. SMU/Tulsa/Navy/Wichita - Rice.

Marshall doesn't help Temple's geography. Marshall is farther away from Temple than ECU is. Marshall is 510 miles from Temple, ECU is only 410 miles away. BTW I didn't even realize this but Buffalo is only barely closer to Temple than ECU is. Buffalo is 398 miles from Temple. ODU is actually the closest add you can make for them by far at only 280 miles away.
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(09-13-2021 01:15 PM)No Bull Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:17 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 11:07 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Only talking to teams that "have expressed interest" is just something you say so you don't look like you're poaching. Texas and Oklahoma had to apply to joining the SEC, Houston/UCF/Cindy did the same thing to joining the Big 12, then those conferences accepted their applications.

The AAC is very likely starting some of the conversations through intermediaries.
In other situations, like with Boise and SDSU, they already have an existing conversation they can follow up on. The AAC is talking to the teams they want to talk to.

I hope you're right, and that the AAC is talking to the schools they want to.

However, unlike the Big 12 situation, when the internet was ablaze with stories and rumors, there don't seem to have seen any indications or hints, or rumors suggesting that the AAC has been talking with any of the schools they want to. "The silence has been deafening."

The main question is: if Aresco's phone has been ringing off the hook, why are Charlotte and Rice the only schools that have been mentioned as having discussions with the AAC thus far?

Every member of the CUSA and the Sunbelt would be happy to join the American. UMass and UConn along with Liberty would be happy to join as well. Aresco might not like the choices he has but he certainly has about 30 schools to choose from.

Eh... I think some schools are weighing their options. AAC is just CUSA from the last go round. If the AAC adds schools with "potential" I think it will turn off the football schools. But as of right now the AAC east division aint too attractive. If there's a way the best of SB and CUSA east can get together it would be worth a serious look.
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RE: AAC Timetable
Ask yourself “who is voting?”

Navy
Temple
East Carolina
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
Southern Methodist
Tulsa
Wichita State

I’m still predicting Marshall, Old Dominion, UAB, and Rice. This is basically the C-USA 2.0 lineup with ODU in place of Southern Miss.

BUT, I think UMass is a stronger candidate than people would like to admit. They’re in the same boat as UNCC with the need to expand their stadium, but they’re a better school. I also place them ahead of Buffalo. If their basketball program can get their pulse back they’d be in my top 4 in place of Marshall or ODU.

Other bold predictions:

UNT and UTSA end up in the MWC. Maybe UTEP, but I think the MWC wants Central exposure.

UConn, UMass, Liberty, and NMSU become C-USA football affiliates. Possible FCS schools looked at for full membership. EKU?

Southern Miss might end up joining the Sun Belt with a Florida school.
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RE: AAC Timetable
(09-13-2021 03:35 PM)esayem Wrote:  Ask yourself “who is voting?”

Navy
Temple
East Carolina
South Florida
Memphis
Tulane
Southern Methodist
Tulsa
Wichita State

I’m still predicting Marshall, Old Dominion, UAB, and Rice. This is basically the C-USA 2.0 lineup with ODU in place of Southern Miss.

BUT, I think UMass is a stronger candidate than people would like to admit. They’re in the same boat as UNCC with the need to expand their stadium, but they’re a better school. I also place them ahead of Buffalo. If their basketball program can get their pulse back they’d be in my top 4 in place of Marshall or ODU.

Other bold predictions:

UNT and UTSA end up in the MWC. Maybe UTEP, but I think the MWC wants Central exposure.

UConn, UMass, Liberty, and NMSU become C-USA football affiliates. Possible FCS schools looked at for full membership. EKU?

Southern Miss might end up joining the Sun Belt with a Florida school.

That's exactly why I don't see it going to 12 with just C-USA school adds. No one is dying to recreate C-USA 2.0. What few comments you've gotten out of Aresco have said 10-12 teams and geography won't limit him. I take that as 12 is in play if MWC schools are interested and if not 10 is the number.
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