(09-12-2021 02:01 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 01:50 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 01:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-11-2021 10:22 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The Texas schools should be split.

No. Don't repeat the Pac-12's mistake.

You think the Pac-12's divisions are a mistake? I don't see an issue with them. How would you have done them?

Ideally, the PAC-12 would have no divisions. Instead, 3 scheduling pods:

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Cal, Stanford, Southern Cal, UCLA
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah

play the other 3 teams in your pod each season. Play 2/4 or 3/4 of the teams in the other pods. Total 8 or 9, depending what they want to do.

Right, that would be the first choice, and it might happen if every conference gets the ability to play a 1 vs 2 CCG.

If there have to be divisions, the right way to do it is the geographically correct way, with the PNW teams, Colorado, and Utah in the north division and the California and Arizona teams in the south division.

The OP keeps it simple, and simple is almost always the best solution. Keep divisions, no pods, no permanent crossovers. With an 8 game league schedule and 12 teams, every school in the eastern division gets one home game against a Texas team and one away game every year. Consistent schedules build rivalries, and rivalries build attendance.

(09-12-2021 03:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  Then you have random tiebreakers and the flukes of scheduling that determines who gets into the CCG on a regular basis. Requiring divisions means championships almost always get decided on the field.

You could have three way tie in the division, meaning OOC or fluke tie breaker may come into play. Like 2008-9 or whatever the year was in the Big 12.

As a Houston dude, this is what I like to see take place

West: Baylor, BYU, Houston, Oklahoma, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech,

East: Cincinnati, ISU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, UCF, West Virginia

The OP is right. Keep the Texas schools, OSU, and BYU together in the West. The real question is will they have an 8 or 9-game schedule.

National
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Boise State
BYU
Iowa State
WVU
Cincinati
Memphis
UCF

Central
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Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor
Houston

(09-12-2021 06:29 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  The OP is right. Keep the Texas schools, OSU, and BYU together in the West. The real question is will they have an 8 or 9-game schedule.

It will be 8 games. They're going to want more OOC slots for games with P4 schools.

(09-12-2021 05:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 03:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  Then you have random tiebreakers and the flukes of scheduling that determines who gets into the CCG on a regular basis. Requiring divisions means championships almost always get decided on the field.

You could have three way tie in the division, meaning OOC or fluke tie breaker may come into play. Like 2008-9 or whatever the year was in the Big 12.

Yes. That is extremely rare. But all you have to do is look at the short history of the 11 team Big 10 to see how significant the schedule differences were. And they did have one year with two unbeatens.

(09-12-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 05:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 03:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  Then you have random tiebreakers and the flukes of scheduling that determines who gets into the CCG on a regular basis. Requiring divisions means championships almost always get decided on the field.

You could have three way tie in the division, meaning OOC or fluke tie breaker may come into play. Like 2008-9 or whatever the year was in the Big 12.

Yes. That is extremely rare. But all you have to do is look at the short history of the 11 team Big 10 to see how significant the schedule differences were. And they did have one year with two unbeatens.

It’s no more rare than the scenarios we are discussing. It’s more rare to have three way ties with no divisions than with, as there is no guarantee the top three schools will have played each other in the regular season.

You want the best two teams in your CCG. Although that may be less relevant when dealing with playoff expansion, but as of now, playing the next best team in your conference is the preferable scenario as opposed to playing a 9-3 school.

(09-11-2021 12:38 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(09-11-2021 10:22 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The Texas schools should be split.

I agree. You do not want to recreate the SWC. We all know how that ended. Plus the other schools need to have an equal opportunity to recruit the State of Texas.

Also, BYU should be in a separate division from West Virginia and UCF because of travel for the non -football teams.

West Division: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and TCU.

East Division: West Virginia, UCF, Cincy, Iowa State, Baylor and Houston.

My prediction there is no should, be Texas School will be split two in each division.

(09-12-2021 09:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-11-2021 12:38 PM)texoma Wrote:  [quote='Big Frog II' pid='17624521' dateline='1631373756']
The Texas schools should be split.

I agree. You do not want to recreate the SWC. We all know how that ended. Plus the other schools need to have an equal opportunity to recruit the State of Texas.

Also, BYU should be in a separate division from West Virginia and UCF because of travel for the non -football teams.

West Division: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and TCU.

East Division: West Virginia, UCF, Cincy, Iowa State, Baylor and Houston.

Divisions for football don’t have to match Olympic sports structure or scheduling. For football, BYU would probably prefer UCF and WVU...But, we look forward to whatever shakes out on the divisional alignment front.

(09-11-2021 11:03 AM)Huan Wrote:  Big XII divisions should be zippered to allow "equivalent" access, exposure and travel. There should be an annual cross division games to maintain rivalries. Each team will then play 6 division games, the annual cross division games, and 2 rotating cross division games for a total of 9 conference games. Listed are annual cross division games.

WEST : EAST

KSU : KU
OSU : ISU
TTU: UH
TCU: Baylor
UC : WVU
BYU : UCF
UT : OU

Without ou the divisions are balanced with 2 Texas teams, one Kansas team, and one Ohio region team.

THIS... ...a plane can go east-west as easy as north-south... and this is more of an 'east-west' conference at this point - plus, the split of Texas is accomplished here... one of the issues CUSA has (well, especially for UAB) is that all the Texas teams are in the West Division, as we are (the extreme eastern edge of the Western Division ) - in CUSA's case, perhaps a North-South division would make more sense, but it's really sorta jacked up either way as it is REALLY east-west (UTEP to ODU is quite a ways across, looking at their offset latitude points)... anyway, this arrangement for the BIG XII is the way to go, I would think...

(09-12-2021 08:55 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 05:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 03:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  Then you have random tiebreakers and the flukes of scheduling that determines who gets into the CCG on a regular basis. Requiring divisions means championships almost always get decided on the field.

You could have three way tie in the division, meaning OOC or fluke tie breaker may come into play. Like 2008-9 or whatever the year was in the Big 12.

Yes. That is extremely rare. But all you have to do is look at the short history of the 11 team Big 10 to see how significant the schedule differences were. And they did have one year with two unbeatens.

It’s no more rare than the scenarios we are discussing. It’s more rare to have three way ties with no divisions than with, as there is no guarantee the top three schools will have played each other in the regular season.

You want the best two teams in your CCG. Although that may be less relevant when dealing with playoff expansion, but as of now, playing the next best team in your conference is the preferable scenario as opposed to playing a 9-3 school.

And maybe you have a 5 way tie for 2nd and several of the schools haven't played each other and you have a random artifical tiebreaker.

(09-12-2021 10:31 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 09:08 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(09-11-2021 12:38 PM)texoma Wrote:  [quote='Big Frog II' pid='17624521' dateline='1631373756']
The Texas schools should be split.

I agree. You do not want to recreate the SWC. We all know how that ended. Plus the other schools need to have an equal opportunity to recruit the State of Texas.

Also, BYU should be in a separate division from West Virginia and UCF because of travel for the non -football teams.

West Division: BYU, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and TCU.

East Division: West Virginia, UCF, Cincy, Iowa State, Baylor and Houston.

Divisions for football don’t have to match Olympic sports structure or scheduling. For football, BYU would probably prefer UCF and WVU...But, we look forward to whatever shakes out on the divisional alignment front.

A lot of conferences are ignoring divisions for sports other than football.