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RE: Sunbelt and MWC schools aren’t expansion candidates
(Yesterday 03:57 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Whether I like it or not I'll believe a small market school is added when I see it. It took the Big East getting raided down to basically no one and ECU averaging close to 50k a game while actually being good at the time to get a FB only invite behind Tulane. Not an insult to any of the small market teams out there but ECU was a different animal at that time and they still tried to avoid adding us like the plague. I am also guessing the fact that we've been pretty awful ever since joining and struggle to keep up financially is not going to be lost on the presidents of other schools. If ECU struggles to run 50 million+ budgets I don't see any way App or Marshall will be able to do it.

Yep. I remember hearing ECU was joining and their average attendance at the time was mid 40k and they were the “knock off the big guy” darling of college sports.

Love ECU, but in the college football world, they are considered to be the 5th best school in their state… so why would we then go and add the 6th?

I don’t want APp state for one reason (other than market and very few watch them). I don’t want ECU to struggle in their comeback. I see them rising and I don’t want competition. I want a strong ECU. I don’t care at all about App state.
ECU is our brother. App is a school trying to take our brothers place. Hard pass for me.
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(Yesterday 01:32 PM)b2b Wrote:  So as good as ULL has been lately they only draw 15-20K per game?

25k this past weekend for Nicholls St. probably have close to 20k tomorrow night for Ohio. One of our problems with attendance is playing 2-3 home games on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday nights.

Hudspeth also alienated the majority of the fans base with certain political opinions. So the fan base has a wait an see type attitude at the moment. We do support Napier and had a great atmosphere there Saturday. But a terrible fan experience due to horrible concessions. That’s partly due to hurricane IDA and bandwidth issues.

Doesn’t help tomorrow’s attendance that Hurricane/TS Nicholas has dropped 8-14” of rain on us since yesterday. But I still think we draw close to 20k.
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(Yesterday 03:12 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:02 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:47 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 08:39 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 08:21 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  And yet they, UAB and Marshall are all being seriously considered.

Tulane, ECU, and Temple we’re all added and none were the current hot team. Hell, Memphis at the time wasn’t great… but they had so much more than just a couple winning seasons.

You don’t build for the future by adding a flash in the pan.

you can choose to go marketz and thats a fair strategy. If you want a big TV market where no one cares or watches then definitely look elsewhere.

But App is not a flash in the pan. Inviting CCU on their 1 good season would be a flash in the pan invite. We have 2 losing seasons over the last 30 years.

But if you are going to go marketz, stay away from Marshall.


Huntington is the #75 TV Market with 427k homes....and we actually control this market. We are also the #2 team in our state and get a lot of casual eyeballs because of that. WV only has two D1 teams... WVU and Marshall.

Is our market huge compared to Houston? No. Is our market huge when compared to Boone, NC? Yes.

Either way, marketz are over rated. Both Marshall and App draw eyeballs above our market because we have actual brands that casual fans recognize.
I am sorry....but you keep bragging about running the #75 market.

That's like claiming your backyard in the name of Spain. Nice thought but um...


I should hope you dominate the #75 market

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I wouldn’t be so cocky. Marshall’s viewership numbers dwarf everyone in the Sunbelt.
They may have the 75th market but it looks like every damn one of them is turning on the game.

I’ve heard their name along with some MWC teams and UAB the most. The people I talk to all give at a minimum of $50k a year on a recurring basis.

Would be interesting if it was Marshall, UAB, and 6 MWC schools.
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(Yesterday 03:56 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I love when people don’t read, respond emotionally and don’t make any sense at all. Then we get to hear it 400 more times in multiple threads.

UAB will get in over App state everyday and twice on Sunday. It won’t be close.
Your last sentence is correct but what of the other 3 spots? UAB is in. I don't think there's any debating that. The debate comes in for #2-4.

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(Yesterday 05:17 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(Yesterday 03:56 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I love when people don’t read, respond emotionally and don’t make any sense at all. Then we get to hear it 400 more times in multiple threads.

UAB will get in over App state everyday and twice on Sunday. It won’t be close.
Your last sentence is correct but what of the other 3 spots? UAB is in. I don't think there's any debating that. The debate comes in for #2-4.

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I don’t have hard sources. I know a lot of people due to years of work and travel. Most of them are college football alumni who are donors.

These are bigger donors and alot of time what I hear has come true. I was telling everyone here that the AAC would be raided by the big 12. I even said who would be taken. Given, it was freaking obvious but it’s also what all the alumni were saying.

I’ve heard UAB, Marshal and Rice are the non MWC teams that were hearing a lot about. I’ve got a good buddy who is a marshal donor… like, he was a fan before the airplane crash. All he’s told me is they are confident. UABs name comes up a lot and I think there’s true interest. We hear Rice too but like I’ve said elsewhere, I don’t know if rice is because the AAC wants them, or if Rice is just being aggressive.

Only team I’ve heard from the MWC is CSU but if they come over, it could trigger more. Nothing at all will be direct with the conference. Right now it’s all media consultants working behind the scenes cause the second Aresco gets involved directly, the news will leak.

I get the sense it’s gonna be a bit. The American knows that the sunbelt and cusa will be there when we want. None of them are going anywhere until the American makes it’s move… and right now I think they are working the MWC. They have to, cause that’s where the money is, and until they say a definitive no, then we won’t have any other signings.
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(Yesterday 03:26 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:50 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 08:21 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 08:08 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 07:58 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I don’t see any Louisiana school being added. With Tulane rising, there is no need to create any impediment. We also cover most of the state with Tulane already.

We’re gonna look for new markets and Louisiana isn’t large enough to have multiple schools. Look at the AAC. Two states got multiple teams… Texas and florida. The #2 and 3 largest population states.

It’s another reason that I don’t see App State. Marshal, Rice, UAB all give us new markets. No overlap… and no overlap is better than even moderate overlap.

Rice gives us nothing, no fans, no market. Aside from baseball, they seem to care less about athletics. Marshall, App St, UAB even Coastal Car or Louisiana would be much better choices.

And yet they, UAB and Marshall are all being seriously considered.

Tulane, ECU, and Temple we’re all added and none were the current hot team. Hell, Memphis at the time wasn’t great… but they had so much more than just a couple winning seasons.

You don’t build for the future by adding a flash in the pan.

And you don't build for the future adding Rice, who brings no fans, no market (who watches Rice?) & doesn't win - past, present or future. And BTW, our university president made clear the criteria, Rice doesn't fit it....I'm a donor too, lol.

It’s not like I am advocating for them. Every person I have talked to has heard their name. It could be because we are looking for a solid academic add with an amazing market… like we did when we took Tulane. That’s working out for us pretty well. Love Tulane!

I honestly don’t care if they get in or not, but I think many people on here are gonna be surprised as to who is added.

Everyone is trying to add one single definition of what will be added. Look at last time. How much did Tulane and ECU have in common? SMU and UCF, what was the commonality there.

Teams will be added that fit what the PRESIDENTS want. ADs have no true say in all of this.

We have I think 5 or 6 teams that are right at the top 100 and higher. Tulane, SMU, USF, Temple and Navy all have high academic ratings. It’s gonna be important to those presidents that we maintain that. It won’t be ignored.

Let’s be honest, if we had to take App State or UAB… um, it’s a no brainer. UAB has solid tv numbers and their academics are right in line with those schools. That’s not my personal opinion or me knocking app state. It’s what a president of an academic institute is gonna look at. Two similar types of teams, but one “fits” better.

Also, geography is gonna okay a role. We’re not gonna pack 4 super eastern teams in. That will just piss off our western teams.

So much will go into this, and the “obvious” choices many times won’t make it. Look at all the “hot” schools that never got invited to the AAC.


I think that if AD’s truly had no say, then the SEC would have had a ton of teams ahead of Oklahoma.


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Oklahoma is one of the top 10 most valuable programs in the nation. It’s also one of the very few who would make a move. No big 10 team is coming.
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(Yesterday 03:12 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:02 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 10:47 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 08:39 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 08:21 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  And yet they, UAB and Marshall are all being seriously considered.

Tulane, ECU, and Temple we’re all added and none were the current hot team. Hell, Memphis at the time wasn’t great… but they had so much more than just a couple winning seasons.

You don’t build for the future by adding a flash in the pan.

you can choose to go marketz and thats a fair strategy. If you want a big TV market where no one cares or watches then definitely look elsewhere.

But App is not a flash in the pan. Inviting CCU on their 1 good season would be a flash in the pan invite. We have 2 losing seasons over the last 30 years.

But if you are going to go marketz, stay away from Marshall.


Huntington is the #75 TV Market with 427k homes....and we actually control this market. We are also the #2 team in our state and get a lot of casual eyeballs because of that. WV only has two D1 teams... WVU and Marshall.

Is our market huge compared to Houston? No. Is our market huge when compared to Boone, NC? Yes.

Either way, marketz are over rated. Both Marshall and App draw eyeballs above our market because we have actual brands that casual fans recognize.
I am sorry....but you keep bragging about running the #75 market.

That's like claiming your backyard in the name of Spain. Nice thought but um...


I should hope you dominate the #75 market

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I wouldn’t be so cocky. Marshall’s viewership numbers dwarf everyone in the Sunbelt.
They may have the 75th market but it looks like every damn one of them is turning on the game.

I’ve heard their name along with some MWC teams and UAB the most. The people I talk to all give at a minimum of $50k a year on a recurring basis.
I wouldn't say dwarf and if you're #75 DMA and dominating it you've reached your ceiling. And they opened the door counselor.

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Quote:Huntington is the #75 TV Market with 427k homes....and we actually control this market. We are also the #2 team in our state and get a lot of casual eyeballs because of that. WV only has two D1 teams... WVU and Marshall.

Is our market huge compared to Houston? No. Is our market huge when compared to Boone, NC? Yes.

Either way, marketz are over rated. Both Marshall and App draw eyeballs above our market because we have actual brands that casual fans recognize.
I am sorry....but you keep bragging about running the #75 market.

That's like claiming your backyard in the name of Spain. Nice thought but um...


I should hope you dominate the #75 market

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I wouldn’t be so cocky. Marshall’s viewership numbers dwarf everyone in the Sunbelt.
They may have the 75th market but it looks like every damn one of them is turning on the game.

I’ve heard their name along with some MWC teams and UAB the most. The people I talk to all give at a minimum of $50k a year on a recurring basis.
[/quote]I wouldn't say dwarf and if you're #75 DMA and dominating it you've reached your ceiling. And they opened the door counselor.

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No, their numbers are way higher. It’s not even really close. Marshal is an older school with a lot alumni. I personally don’t care if they get in or not, but everyone is hearing their name. I don’t hear anyone saying georgia state. Not a single person.
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(Yesterday 08:30 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Oklahoma is one of the top 10 most valuable programs in the nation. It’s also one of the very few who would make a move. No big 10 team is coming.


Top 10 most valuable in academics? If not, they consulted their ADs.


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(Yesterday 08:53 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  
Quote:Huntington is the #75 TV Market with 427k homes....and we actually control this market. We are also the #2 team in our state and get a lot of casual eyeballs because of that. WV only has two D1 teams... WVU and Marshall.

Is our market huge compared to Houston? No. Is our market huge when compared to Boone, NC? Yes.

Either way, marketz are over rated. Both Marshall and App draw eyeballs above our market because we have actual brands that casual fans recognize.
I am sorry....but you keep bragging about running the #75 market.

That's like claiming your backyard in the name of Spain. Nice thought but um...


I should hope you dominate the #75 market

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I wouldn’t be so cocky. Marshall’s viewership numbers dwarf everyone in the Sunbelt.
They may have the 75th market but it looks like every damn one of them is turning on the game.

I’ve heard their name along with some MWC teams and UAB the most. The people I talk to all give at a minimum of $50k a year on a recurring basis.
[/quote]I wouldn't say dwarf and if you're #75 DMA and dominating it you've reached your ceiling. And they opened the door counselor.

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Quote:No, their numbers are way higher. It’s not even really close. Marshal is an older school with a lot alumni. I personally don’t care if they get in or not, but everyone is hearing their name. I don’t hear anyone saying georgia state. Not a single person.

So I say something about Marshall and you equate that to my pimping GSU?


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(Yesterday 05:04 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  
(Yesterday 01:32 PM)b2b Wrote:  So as good as ULL has been lately they only draw 15-20K per game?

25k this past weekend for Nicholls St. probably have close to 20k tomorrow night for Ohio. One of our problems with attendance is playing 2-3 home games on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday nights.

Hudspeth also alienated the majority of the fans base with certain political opinions. So the fan base has a wait an see type attitude at the moment. We do support Napier and had a great atmosphere there Saturday. But a terrible fan experience due to horrible concessions. That’s partly due to hurricane IDA and bandwidth issues.

Doesn’t help tomorrow’s attendance that Hurricane/TS Nicholas has dropped 8-14” of rain on us since yesterday. But I still think we draw close to 20k.
Correct on all points Geaux. I would also add that while keeping in mind how Hud drove attendance at the end, more importantly for this discussion how we was able to increase the excitement and thus attendance during his ‘hot’ years. Shows the potential of the relatively large population base that UL has to draw on, unlike e.g. LTUR stuck in ruston.
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(Today 04:43 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Correct on all points Geaux. I would also add that while keeping in mind how Hud drove attendance at the end, more importantly for this discussion how we was able to increase the excitement and thus attendance during his ‘hot’ years. Shows the potential of the relatively large population base that UL has to draw on, unlike e.g. LTUR stuck in ruston.

"LTUR" is not in the discussion here. Please stop dragging us into EVERY conversation. You look obsessed.

UL-Lafayette should be able to get "promoted" to a perceived better conference on its own merits, without constantly dragging Tech's perceived shortcomings up. UL-Lafayette is a better institution than you're representing them to be.
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