(09-25-2021 10:30 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: Until Boise finds a home for Olympic sports, they will not get a look in the Big 12. I’d be shocked. Memphis and USF far more likely.
I’m not sure BYU needs a travel partner, but ideally that partner would be closer to the core of the conference than further. I think SMU is probably more likely than Boise all sports. Take USF/Memphis and call it a day.
And yet Boise States basketball has consistently won 20 games a year since Leon Rice arrived a decade ago. BSU is an all sports invite.
Yeah, the football only argument might have made sense a decade+ ago. Bball is respectable if not great. Looks like T&F and Cross Country are both pretty decent.
(09-25-2021 10:30 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: Until Boise finds a home for Olympic sports, they will not get a look in the Big 12. I’d be shocked. Memphis and USF far more likely.
I’m not sure BYU needs a travel partner, but ideally that partner would be closer to the core of the conference than further. I think SMU is probably more likely than Boise all sports. Take USF/Memphis and call it a day.
And yet Boise States basketball has consistently won 20 games a year since Leon Rice arrived a decade ago. BSU is an all sports invite.
Yeah, the football only argument might have made sense a decade+ ago. Bball is respectable if not great. Looks like T&F and Cross Country are both pretty decent.
Well, look at that…someone who actually does research.
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(09-26-2021 03:37 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: One final thing. The rumor concerning Boise State, Memphis, SMU and South Florida still being on the radar is one of the best PSYOP campaigns ever, being extremely low cost and low risk (one AD shooting off his mouth, while a couple school CEOs say it's over quietly), but highly successful. It has essentially stymied AAC expansion plans, effectively taking San Diego State and Boise State off the table. The remaining expansion candidates all diminish the AAC. Mission accomplished.
There is no chance of further expansion until we have a clear timeline for the OU UT exits. If the hold for SEC play is Fall 25’, then we don’t need news until Spring of 23’. 16 teams is not going to happen.
Once they committed to Fla, I figured USF had the edge over the field. We know Memphis is a lock for 13. There is really no other realistic options.
If they lose TCU to the PAC, they have a backfill available. If Houston goes, they can look at CSU/Tulane, or bite the bullet with Boise. Taking USF and Memphis best positions the Big 12 well into the future, into 2030 TV cycle even. Every region is solidified, including the eastern footprint, and a national brand in a western time zone. It’s a slam dunk, although there is no impetus to add for a couple more years. But they will add those two barring scandals or piss poor play in the next couple of years.
TCU is not going to the PAC 12 - the Pac 12 would be better off taking SMU - better accademic school and better football team!
Oklahoma State president, Kayse Shrum, met with Boise State officials when the two schools' football teams met two weeks ago in Boise. They specifically discussed Big XII expansion. If Boise isn't in a hurry to the AAC, then it's possible those talks went very well.
Like I said before, how the HECK can we know what happens with the AAC and MWC when the Big 12 has yet to decide whether they'll take additional programs and the threat of them doing so remains?
This tug-o-war between the MWC and AAC, while somewhat entertaining, is like two dwarves arguing who is taller.
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Like I said before, how the HECK can we know what happens with the AAC and MWC when the Big 12 has yet to decide whether they'll take additional programs and the threat of them doing so remains?
This tug-o-war between the MWC and AAC, while somewhat entertaining, is like two dwarves arguing who is taller.
Precisely right. The cocksureness of some of the posters on here is hilarious.
Anyone wondering why the Big XII is looking at Memphis and Boise State should watch this presentation from Tony Altimore, who appeared on the Sic'em 365 show. Incredible stats presented!
(10-01-2021 09:02 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote: Anyone wondering why the Big XII is looking at Memphis and Boise State should watch this presentation from Tony Altimore, who appeared on the Sic'em 365 show. Incredible stats presented!
I hate to be that guy since I plan on watching this soon, but as someone who hasn’t seen this entire video do you have a time stamp or general timeframe when he specifically speaks on Boise St and Memphis?
I actually skimmed through all 200+ pages of the presentation and saw a ton about academic and institutional fit. Without actually hearing his interpretation of the data it seemed like schools such as SMU, USF, Tulane, Temple, and Army would be recommendations going forward.
Side note, those projections for potential 16 team PAC, ACC, B1G conferences were…interesting I guess lol.
(10-02-2021 10:50 AM)Charlie Broadway Wrote: I hate to be that guy since I plan on watching this soon, but as someone who hasn’t seen this entire video do you have a time stamp or general timeframe when he specifically speaks on Boise St and Memphis?
I actually skimmed through all 200+ pages of the presentation and saw a ton about academic and institutional fit. Without actually hearing his interpretation of the data it seemed like schools such as SMU, USF, Tulane, Temple, and Army would be recommendations going forward.
Side note, those projections for potential 16 team PAC, ACC, B1G conferences were…interesting I guess lol.
Start at 6:30 when he talks about the candidates for a potential Round 2.
(10-03-2021 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Boise State is now 2-3 on the season, first time they've had a losing record after five games in 20 years.
I am biased against them but I am also logical in my thinking.
New coach if he is a miss the talk of moving up ends.
I think Boise gets a lot of consideration by sports fans.
The last big Big 12 study for expansion that did not happen New mexico and Colorado St made the final 12 Boise did not.
If Memphis had Cincinnati's academics they get in over Houston.
The Big 12 wanted to expand their markets but with institutional fits with good athletic programs. BYU was number one in athletic fan base and academics . Which allowed it to overcome the religious hurdle. Cincinnati was a no brainer. UCF had everything and was the fastest riser great market recruiting and academics. Those strengths overcame the geography. Houston got in over Memphis because of academics former SWC history. Boise can't get into the playoffs because of a weak conference schedule. Even with a run of Access Bowl's like UCF has had won't push football high enough to overcome. Worst academics of any of the top twenty candidates. Worst recruiting of any of the top twenty candidates. A below average stadium for the Big 12 and silly blue field.
I think UAB is hurt by that goofy dragon on their helmet .
They look like a USFL team otherwise everything else is looking up .
They need a re brand less goofy dragon if possible
(10-03-2021 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Boise State is now 2-3 on the season, first time they've had a losing record after five games in 20 years.
I am biased against them but I am also logical in my thinking.
New coach if he is a miss the talk of moving up ends.
I think Boise gets a lot of consideration by sports fans.
The last big Big 12 study for expansion that did not happen New mexico and Colorado St made the final 12 Boise did not.
If Memphis had Cincinnati's academics they get in over Houston.
The Big 12 wanted to expand their markets but with institutional fits with good athletic programs. BYU was number one in athletic fan base and academics . Which allowed it to overcome the religious hurdle. Cincinnati was a no brainer. UCF had everything and was the fastest riser great market recruiting and academics. Those strengths overcame the geography. Houston got in over Memphis because of academics former SWC history. Boise can't get into the playoffs because of a weak conference schedule. Even with a run of Access Bowl's like UCF has had won't push football high enough to overcome. Worst academics of any of the top twenty candidates. Worst recruiting of any of the top twenty candidates. A below average stadium for the Big 12 and silly blue field.
I think UAB is hurt by that goofy dragon on their helmet .
They look like a USFL team otherwise everything else is looking up .
They need a re brand less goofy dragon if possible
Houston was the no brainer. They're the one with a sustained period of relative success in a power conference. Memphis is in a smaller metro, is a smaller school, has less resources and had never even been ranked in football before the last 5 years. Good basketball program, but football is purely speculative. Good potential. Might even have been the best addition after BYU in 5-10 years. But its still speculative.
(10-02-2021 10:50 AM)Charlie Broadway Wrote: I hate to be that guy since I plan on watching this soon, but as someone who hasn’t seen this entire video do you have a time stamp or general timeframe when he specifically speaks on Boise St and Memphis?
I actually skimmed through all 200+ pages of the presentation and saw a ton about academic and institutional fit. Without actually hearing his interpretation of the data it seemed like schools such as SMU, USF, Tulane, Temple, and Army would be recommendations going forward.
Side note, those projections for potential 16 team PAC, ACC, B1G conferences were…interesting I guess lol.
Start at 6:30 when he talks about the candidates for a potential Round 2.
Thanks for replying, I’m still finishing up the video.
Sounds like Boise’s best chance of overcoming the “institutional fit” hurdle is to continue emphasizing their research and hope Dickey can work some magic. He’s an AD rather than a president so I’m not sure how much clout he has. The note about Memphis getting a new president soon is an added wrinkle that I haven’t seen message boarders discuss.
I’m starting to view conference realignment like the nfl draft. This message board talk that we engage in is just like discussing the upcoming draft while still in January. None of this means anything and we’re mostly uninformed. Then the media weighs in with their sources and it reminds me of combine season. The picture gets clearer but is still incomplete. You can’t take the media as gospel because they’re getting their info from scouts rather than coaches/gms. Same with realignment. Can’t take the media as gospel because they’re talking to folks in athletic departments rather than actual presidents.
The draft and conference realignment doesn’t REALLY take shape until the decision makers are involved. All of sudden guys start “rising” up draft boards or Tilman Fertitta is suddenly not an issue. I say all of that to say this:
Those charts on that report are eye opening. I know Boise St and Memphis have the most traction amongst sports fans and I totally get Big 12 ADs preferring them but it’s the university presidents that make those decisions. I don’t claim to know what they’re thinking but how can anyone view this report and be confident either of those schools will get the call?
(10-03-2021 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Boise State is now 2-3 on the season, first time they've had a losing record after five games in 20 years.
Boise State still has games at BYU, at Colorado State, at Fresno State, and at San Diego State. That is a challenging road schedule. It feels like the other MWC schools are catching up to Boise State. Carson Strong of Nevada is considered by some as the No. 1 quarterback prospect in the 2022 NFL draft, so they loss to a good Nevada team. But they don’t have this juggernaut look anymore. The brand has lost some of its luster and you have to question why the Big 12 would consider adding them.
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Boise and Memphis still on Big 12 radar?
