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Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
I've been having some discussion about Liberty to the AAC in another thread and I tried to dismissed the notion of Liberty getting into the AAC but kept getting responses.

Does Liberty have a chance of getting into the AAC? I'd like to see it. It would put a Virginia school in 3 different conferences. Which is more for me to root for but I assumed the issues that prevented Liberty from getting into the SunBelt would also prevent them from getting into the AAC.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 04:27 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I've been having some discussion about Liberty to the AAC in another thread and I tried to dismissed the notion of Liberty getting into the AAC but kept getting responses.

Does Liberty have a chance of getting into the AAC? I'd like to see it. It would put a Virginia school in 3 different conferences. Which is more for me to root for but I assumed the issues that prevented Liberty from getting into the SunBelt would also prevent them from getting into the AAC.

Yes.

Those that say "no", probably said the Big 12 wouldn't take BYU.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
I don't think that even now the AAC has been laid that low. Although if the conference does break up, maybe Liberty could end up in something called the AAC.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
Liberty definitely has the resources to compete and make things interesting in the AAC but my gut tells me that Navy and the private schools are going to push academically stronger schools top of the list.

I’m not saying it’s the right move, but based on who has a voice in a conversation, that’s where I see their decision process leading. Rice and UAB
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
No.

BYU was obvious for the Big 12. Liberty is new and they are VERY different from every other Division I school except for maybe Grand Canyon.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 04:27 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I've been having some discussion about Liberty to the AAC in another thread and I tried to dismissed the notion of Liberty getting into the AAC but kept getting responses.

Does Liberty have a chance of getting into the AAC? I'd like to see it. It would put a Virginia school in 3 different conferences. Which is more for me to root for but I assumed the issues that prevented Liberty from getting into the SunBelt would also prevent them from getting into the AAC.

There are plenty of worse options if we stick to east-coast teams, but obviously not up to me. Liberty doesn't mind throwing money into football, they don't mind traveling and taking lower deals to put together a good schedule. We could do a lot worse.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
Now that Falwell Jr and their toxic leadership is gone I'm sure conferences would be more open.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 04:44 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Now that Falwell Jr and their toxic leadership is gone I'm sure conferences would be more open.

Maybe slightly, but that stink is really going to linger...
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Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
They should be Number ONE on the List,,!!


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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 04:54 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  They should be Number ONE on the List,,!!


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Freeze really got them going in a hurry. I hate to see how good they'd be if the institutional commitment is there to pay competitive salaries to players once schools can pay players.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 04:58 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
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Freeze really got them going in a hurry. I hate to see how good they'd be if the institutional commitment is there to pay competitive salaries to players once schools can pay players.

That would actually end college football. I think the ACC-B1G-PAC12 form a new league and keep it amateur. G5s and Big XII follows.

SEC is left alone in that regard.

NIL is one thing but schools directly giving out salaries is another.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
yes, no brainier
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 04:58 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:54 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  They should be Number ONE on the List,,!!


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Freeze really got them going in a hurry. I hate to see how good they'd be if the institutional commitment is there to pay competitive salaries to players once schools can pay players.

He did indeed get them going. IIRC, he showed a talent for doing that at Ole Miss as well. The Rebels didn't get many five star recruits before he got there.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 05:00 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:58 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 04:54 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  They should be Number ONE on the List,,!!


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Freeze really got them going in a hurry. I hate to see how good they'd be if the institutional commitment is there to pay competitive salaries to players once schools can pay players.

That would actually end college football. I think the ACC-B1G-PAC12 form a new league and keep it amateur. G5s and Big XII follows.

SEC is left alone in that regard.

NIL is one thing but schools directly giving out salaries is another.

This. Once this goes fully semi-pro and the universities that get and keep fans connected in the first place stop being involved, it will crumble like the XFL.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
I'd say about the same chance as a snowball in Death Valley in July.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-10-2021 04:29 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Yes.

Those that say "no", probably said the Big 12 wouldn't take BYU.

I said the Big 12 wouldn't take BYU. I'm still surprised about that one.

But that's because most people are thinking the religious thing is about Sunday games and Honor Code and stuff like that. I thought they wouldn't come to terms on BYUtv.

The difference between Liberty and BYU is vast. BYU is the unofficial official school of the world-wide Mormon population. It's named after the founder of the state, the leader of modern LDS Church. If you're an LDS person, you have a reverence for Brigham Young, and therefore probably root for the only Division I LDS university, which bears his name.

The LDS faith is more niche and laser focused and distinct from other branches of Christianity than the Baptists, which are a sub-sect of mainstream Christianity that's really not that different from any other branch of Christianity. No offense to Baptists or any sect of Christianity...hold on to your hats, I'm about to actually USE my theology minor.

There are really six categories that distinguish one of the the eight sects of Christian from any other. The CORE TENETS of all eight sects are the same, it's really more organization (how churches are governed/formed, who can be ministers) and an occasional difference of "how we define _____" that's different. For example, Catholics believe in transformation, at the Eucharist, the bread/wine BECOME the Body/Blood of Jesus Christ; while other sects believe it is SYMBOLIC, we take the bread/wine in REMEMBRANCE of the body/blood of Jesus Christ. And back before TV and the internet, that stuff mattered to people enough to form their own churches, but in 2021 it probably doesn't matter THAT MUCH to anyone (Forgiveness please if you feel different).


Anyway, the point is, there are 71 private, Christian Division I schools and eight that play Division I football.... But BYU and Notre Dame are really the ONLY TWO SCHOOLS where your religion is going to influence your fandom. And quite honestly, there are plenty of Catholics who root for someone else. The Catholics are pre-disposed to root for Notre Dame, mainly because their fathers and grandfathers rooted for Notre Dame when they were on TV every week and winning championships, but now everyone is on TV every week.


To bring this way too long post to a close (maybe day drinking was a bad idea), Liberty does not have the worldwide fan base that BYU has.

The Big 12, desperate for TV viewers with their big draws in A&M, Texas and Oklahoma leaving, needed the 16 million world-wide Mormons to tune in to Big 12 football.

If EVERY BAPTIST IN THE COUNTRY loved Liberty Football, then yes, Liberty would be a shoe-in for the AAC. In fact, if that were true, they'd basically BE NOTRE DAME: 70 million Catholics, 50 million Baptists.

But that's just not true of the denomination and their fandom. Liberty is not BYU.

Throw in the fact (which I should have recognized earlier while saying BYU was short-sighted) that the current cultural trend in the US is a much lower birthrate than previous generations except for the LDS community, and BYU is such a ridiculously more attractive school in realignment than Liberty.

I believe that Liberty wins enough to be in a better conference than they are, and SHOULD be a candidate. They've been really good in football and basketball, and a conference would be wise to take them on that alone. But the politics are a factor and BYU's viewership trumps that, while Liberty's doesn't.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
To the OP: as a football-only, yes.

Now with that said, I still don’t think it’s going to happen. But it’s not impossible. We’re way past that.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
Since it's University Presidents that vote on schools there's zero chance Liberty gets in.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
Yes.

Not a first tier candidate, but a candidate.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
I knew the Big 12 would want BYU. What I didn't expect was for BYU to accept the invite.
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