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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-19-2021 05:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Liberty is an academic joke. Liberty has low attendance, so it's supposed fan base is a joke.

Memphis and Boise State were passed over by the Big 12, and we all know academics almost certainly played a role. All it takes to keep Liberty out of a conference is another schools being acceptable to the Presidents and in the vicinity of Liberty in athletics, A good example of that would be Coastal Carolina for the SBC a few years back. Liberty has not leapfrogged CCU and CCU is not in consideration for the American, not even in the top ten list.

Liberty needs to show they are acceptable to a lower standard conference like the SBC or C-USA before they can even think about the AAC.

For your reading enjoyment. Coastal's average attendance in 2019 was 10,306. Liberty's was 17,047.

Why do a number of you guys get so upset about this topic?

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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
Because LU is a lightning rod that gets fans riled. Just look at how posters react when the school is mentioned on this board. Even myself being a LU fan, longer than most LU fans, as I attended FB games in the 1970s, I get banged on and negative rapped on the LU board when writing posts as these. Because, there are some over zealous LU fans who drink the Kool-Aid, lack free thinking, unlike Curtis, who view the school realistically rather than through rose colored glasses. And it still makes for great theatre.
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(09-19-2021 05:30 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Because LU is a lightning rod that gets fans riled. Just look at how posters react when the school is mentioned on this board. Even myself being a LU fan, longer than most LU fans, as I attended FB games in the 1970s, I get banged on and negative rapped on the LU board when writing posts as these. Because, there are some over zealous LU fans who drink the Kool-Aid, lack free thinking, unlike Curtis, who view the school realistically rather than through rose colored glasses. And it still makes for great theatre.
Ya know, none of this is personal. But let's not pretend to be ignorant of who makes ultimate decisions about conference invites and what their background motivations are. There is a reason why Rutgers and Maryland got added to the B1G and why Pitt and Syracuse are in the ACC despite none of them putting any fear into anyone in decades. If the decisions were based upon performance now , sure maybe Liberty makes a short list. But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall, ECU and USM in 2012. They are not changing their thinking in 2021-22. Liberty isn't even R2 when the AAC has access to a number of R1s as candidates. So sit down an have a beer and take it like a man like everyone else.

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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-19-2021 07:53 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 05:30 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Because LU is a lightning rod that gets fans riled. Just look at how posters react when the school is mentioned on this board. Even myself being a LU fan, longer than most LU fans, as I attended FB games in the 1970s, I get banged on and negative rapped on the LU board when writing posts as these. Because, there are some over zealous LU fans who drink the Kool-Aid, lack free thinking, unlike Curtis, who view the school realistically rather than through rose colored glasses. And it still makes for great theatre.
Ya know, none of this is personal. But let's not pretend to be ignorant of who makes ultimate decisions about conference invites and what their background motivations are. There is a reason why Rutgers and Maryland got added to the B1G and why Pitt and Syracuse are in the ACC despite none of them putting any fear into anyone in decades. If the decisions were based upon performance now , sure maybe Liberty makes a short list. But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall, ECU and USM in 2012. They are not changing their thinking in 2021-22. Liberty isn't even R2 when the AAC has access to a number of R1s as candidates. So sit down an have a beer and take it like a man like everyone else.

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"But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall,..."

So the heading of this post, "Does Liberty have a snowball chance in hell..." is not about Liberty. Funny how two people can read the same, exact, identical item, and how one interpretation can be the exact opposite of the other.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
I think that the ADs of universities and conference commissioners recognize what Liberty has done over the last decade.

And I think University Presidents are basically just "more successful" high school girls, who will look down their nose at Liberty and not want to be associated with them.
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(09-19-2021 08:19 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 07:53 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 05:30 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Because LU is a lightning rod that gets fans riled. Just look at how posters react when the school is mentioned on this board. Even myself being a LU fan, longer than most LU fans, as I attended FB games in the 1970s, I get banged on and negative rapped on the LU board when writing posts as these. Because, there are some over zealous LU fans who drink the Kool-Aid, lack free thinking, unlike Curtis, who view the school realistically rather than through rose colored glasses. And it still makes for great theatre.
Ya know, none of this is personal. But let's not pretend to be ignorant of who makes ultimate decisions about conference invites and what their background motivations are. There is a reason why Rutgers and Maryland got added to the B1G and why Pitt and Syracuse are in the ACC despite none of them putting any fear into anyone in decades. If the decisions were based upon performance now , sure maybe Liberty makes a short list. But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall, ECU and USM in 2012. They are not changing their thinking in 2021-22. Liberty isn't even R2 when the AAC has access to a number of R1s as candidates. So sit down an have a beer and take it like a man like everyone else.

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"But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall,..."

So the heading of this post, "Does Liberty have a snowball chance in hell..." is not about Liberty. Funny how two people can read the same, exact, identical item, and how one interpretation can be the exact opposite of the other.

Is reading hard for you? I just dont get it.

Academic, institutional fit, cultural fit and market were important criteria in 2012. They still are to these AAC presidents. How do you not comprehend that Liberty isnt a fit for the AAC?

About your only chance is CUSA and that's only if they become desparate which would cause them to throw THEIR criteria list in the garbage. SBC is a no go likely because they are in the process of becoming even more insular than before and have zero interest in a private school.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-20-2021 09:18 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 08:19 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 07:53 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 05:30 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Because LU is a lightning rod that gets fans riled. Just look at how posters react when the school is mentioned on this board. Even myself being a LU fan, longer than most LU fans, as I attended FB games in the 1970s, I get banged on and negative rapped on the LU board when writing posts as these. Because, there are some over zealous LU fans who drink the Kool-Aid, lack free thinking, unlike Curtis, who view the school realistically rather than through rose colored glasses. And it still makes for great theatre.
Ya know, none of this is personal. But let's not pretend to be ignorant of who makes ultimate decisions about conference invites and what their background motivations are. There is a reason why Rutgers and Maryland got added to the B1G and why Pitt and Syracuse are in the ACC despite none of them putting any fear into anyone in decades. If the decisions were based upon performance now , sure maybe Liberty makes a short list. But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall, ECU and USM in 2012. They are not changing their thinking in 2021-22. Liberty isn't even R2 when the AAC has access to a number of R1s as candidates. So sit down an have a beer and take it like a man like everyone else.

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"But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall,..."

So the heading of this post, "Does Liberty have a snowball chance in hell..." is not about Liberty. Funny how two people can read the same, exact, identical item, and how one interpretation can be the exact opposite of the other.

Is reading hard for you? I just dont get it.

Academic, institutional fit, cultural fit and market were important criteria in 2012. They still are to these AAC presidents. How do you not comprehend that Liberty isnt a fit for the AAC?

About your only chance is CUSA and that's only if they become desparate which would cause them to throw THEIR criteria list in the garbage. SBC is a no go likely because they are in the process of becoming even more insular than before and have zero interest in a private school.
Years ago SBC posters said
- LU would never become FBS
- then LU would never be able to schedule when becoming Indy
- then LU would never go to post season play
- and now LU will only receive a C-USA bid (which is preferable to SBC)

South America, fortunately others make the important choice and not you or I.
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(09-20-2021 09:25 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:18 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 08:19 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 07:53 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 05:30 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Because LU is a lightning rod that gets fans riled. Just look at how posters react when the school is mentioned on this board. Even myself being a LU fan, longer than most LU fans, as I attended FB games in the 1970s, I get banged on and negative rapped on the LU board when writing posts as these. Because, there are some over zealous LU fans who drink the Kool-Aid, lack free thinking, unlike Curtis, who view the school realistically rather than through rose colored glasses. And it still makes for great theatre.
Ya know, none of this is personal. But let's not pretend to be ignorant of who makes ultimate decisions about conference invites and what their background motivations are. There is a reason why Rutgers and Maryland got added to the B1G and why Pitt and Syracuse are in the ACC despite none of them putting any fear into anyone in decades. If the decisions were based upon performance now , sure maybe Liberty makes a short list. But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall, ECU and USM in 2012. They are not changing their thinking in 2021-22. Liberty isn't even R2 when the AAC has access to a number of R1s as candidates. So sit down an have a beer and take it like a man like everyone else.

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"But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall,..."

So the heading of this post, "Does Liberty have a snowball chance in hell..." is not about Liberty. Funny how two people can read the same, exact, identical item, and how one interpretation can be the exact opposite of the other.

Is reading hard for you? I just dont get it.

Academic, institutional fit, cultural fit and market were important criteria in 2012. They still are to these AAC presidents. How do you not comprehend that Liberty isnt a fit for the AAC?

About your only chance is CUSA and that's only if they become desparate which would cause them to throw THEIR criteria list in the garbage. SBC is a no go likely because they are in the process of becoming even more insular than before and have zero interest in a private school.
Years ago SBC posters said
- LU would never become FBS
- then LU would never be able to schedule when becoming Indy
- then LU would never go to post season play
- and now LU will only receive a C-USA bid (which is preferable to SBC)

South America, fortunately others make the important choice and not you or I.

Again, tell me where my analysis is wrong? Still waiting to hear why the AAC would pick Libery over R1s not in a cow pasture and without baggage. 07-coffee3


And proving that you're a poor academic fit, i am failing you in geography.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-19-2021 08:19 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 07:53 PM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 05:30 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  Because LU is a lightning rod that gets fans riled. Just look at how posters react when the school is mentioned on this board. Even myself being a LU fan, longer than most LU fans, as I attended FB games in the 1970s, I get banged on and negative rapped on the LU board when writing posts as these. Because, there are some over zealous LU fans who drink the Kool-Aid, lack free thinking, unlike Curtis, who view the school realistically rather than through rose colored glasses. And it still makes for great theatre.
Ya know, none of this is personal. But let's not pretend to be ignorant of who makes ultimate decisions about conference invites and what their background motivations are. There is a reason why Rutgers and Maryland got added to the B1G and why Pitt and Syracuse are in the ACC despite none of them putting any fear into anyone in decades. If the decisions were based upon performance now , sure maybe Liberty makes a short list. But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall, ECU and USM in 2012. They are not changing their thinking in 2021-22. Liberty isn't even R2 when the AAC has access to a number of R1s as candidates. So sit down an have a beer and take it like a man like everyone else.

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"But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall,..."

So the heading of this post, "Does Liberty have a snowball chance in hell..." is not about Liberty. Funny how two people can read the same, exact, identical item, and how one interpretation can be the exact opposite of the other.

Not sure how you came to this conclusion based on the statement.

Tulane and Tulsa were invited over Marshall, despite not performing as well on the field historically, for other reasons.

Everyone in this thread who is saying Liberty does not have a snowballs chance is saying that because of non-performance based reasons.


The Tulane/Tulsa over Marshall example was given for very relevant historical context to make the same point everyone has been making all along about this topic: There is much more to be considered here than just performance on the field, and everything outside of performance on the field is outweighing the benefits of said performance.
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(09-20-2021 09:33 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:25 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:18 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 08:19 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 07:53 PM)panama Wrote:  Ya know, none of this is personal. But let's not pretend to be ignorant of who makes ultimate decisions about conference invites and what their background motivations are. There is a reason why Rutgers and Maryland got added to the B1G and why Pitt and Syracuse are in the ACC despite none of them putting any fear into anyone in decades. If the decisions were based upon performance now , sure maybe Liberty makes a short list. But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall, ECU and USM in 2012. They are not changing their thinking in 2021-22. Liberty isn't even R2 when the AAC has access to a number of R1s as candidates. So sit down an have a beer and take it like a man like everyone else.

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"But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall,..."

So the heading of this post, "Does Liberty have a snowball chance in hell..." is not about Liberty. Funny how two people can read the same, exact, identical item, and how one interpretation can be the exact opposite of the other.

Is reading hard for you? I just dont get it.

Academic, institutional fit, cultural fit and market were important criteria in 2012. They still are to these AAC presidents. How do you not comprehend that Liberty isnt a fit for the AAC?

About your only chance is CUSA and that's only if they become desparate which would cause them to throw THEIR criteria list in the garbage. SBC is a no go likely because they are in the process of becoming even more insular than before and have zero interest in a private school.
Years ago SBC posters said
- LU would never become FBS
- then LU would never be able to schedule when becoming Indy
- then LU would never go to post season play
- and now LU will only receive a C-USA bid (which is preferable to SBC)

South America, fortunately others make the important choice and not you or I.

Again, tell me where my analysis is wrong? Still waiting to hear why the AAC would pick Libery over R1s not in a cow pasture and without baggage. 07-coffee3


And proving that you're a poor academic fit, i am failing you in geography.
I respect you as a dedicated and avid fan for your team. I disagree with your assessment of other programs, of which you and I know nothing of, but can only speculate. This is like a dog chasing his tail. Never ending and no agreement in sight. I am going to say I agree that we disagree and move on.
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(09-20-2021 09:41 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:33 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:25 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:18 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-19-2021 08:19 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  "But the reality is that this thread is about whether not Liberty has a shot a conference that invited Tulane and Tulsa over Marshall,..."

So the heading of this post, "Does Liberty have a snowball chance in hell..." is not about Liberty. Funny how two people can read the same, exact, identical item, and how one interpretation can be the exact opposite of the other.

Is reading hard for you? I just dont get it.

Academic, institutional fit, cultural fit and market were important criteria in 2012. They still are to these AAC presidents. How do you not comprehend that Liberty isnt a fit for the AAC?

About your only chance is CUSA and that's only if they become desparate which would cause them to throw THEIR criteria list in the garbage. SBC is a no go likely because they are in the process of becoming even more insular than before and have zero interest in a private school.
Years ago SBC posters said
- LU would never become FBS
- then LU would never be able to schedule when becoming Indy
- then LU would never go to post season play
- and now LU will only receive a C-USA bid (which is preferable to SBC)

South America, fortunately others make the important choice and not you or I.

Again, tell me where my analysis is wrong? Still waiting to hear why the AAC would pick Libery over R1s not in a cow pasture and without baggage. 07-coffee3


And proving that you're a poor academic fit, i am failing you in geography.
I respect you as a dedicated and avid fan for your team. I disagree with your assessment of other programs, of which you and I know nothing of, but can only speculate. This is like a dog chasing his tail. Never ending and no agreement in sight. I am going to say I agree that we disagree and move on.

Youre not even providing an argument as to why you think Liberty would be invited. You arent saying where you think that AAC Presidents would disregard institutional fit , cultural fit, academics and market or where Liberty would meet any of those criteria? And I am not talking about other programs. I am tallking specifially about "Liberty" to be clear.

And I highly disagree with your...disagreement. LOL. We can quantify who Liberty is where they are located, how they operate. We can also quantify who the AAC are and in general how college presidents think and operate. This is not some unsolvable puzzle. Conferences have a DNA and the AAC certainly has one. I get that you dont want to discuss it because logical analysis leads to the conclusion of oh crap, Liberty DOESNT fit.

But keep hope alive and work on your geography studies.07-coffee3
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(09-20-2021 09:49 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:41 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:33 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:25 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:18 AM)panama Wrote:  Is reading hard for you? I just dont get it.

Academic, institutional fit, cultural fit and market were important criteria in 2012. They still are to these AAC presidents. How do you not comprehend that Liberty isnt a fit for the AAC?

About your only chance is CUSA and that's only if they become desparate which would cause them to throw THEIR criteria list in the garbage. SBC is a no go likely because they are in the process of becoming even more insular than before and have zero interest in a private school.
Years ago SBC posters said
- LU would never become FBS
- then LU would never be able to schedule when becoming Indy
- then LU would never go to post season play
- and now LU will only receive a C-USA bid (which is preferable to SBC)

South America, fortunately others make the important choice and not you or I.

Again, tell me where my analysis is wrong? Still waiting to hear why the AAC would pick Libery over R1s not in a cow pasture and without baggage. 07-coffee3


And proving that you're a poor academic fit, i am failing you in geography.
I respect you as a dedicated and avid fan for your team. I disagree with your assessment of other programs, of which you and I know nothing of, but can only speculate. This is like a dog chasing his tail. Never ending and no agreement in sight. I am going to say I agree that we disagree and move on.

Youre not even providing an argument as to why you think Liberty would be invited. You arent saying where you think that AAC Presidents would disregard institutional fit , cultural fit, academics and market or where Liberty would meet any of those criteria? And I am not talking about other programs. I am tallking specifially about "Liberty" to be clear.

And I highly disagree with your...disagreement. LOL. We can quantify who Liberty is where they are located, how they operate. We can also quantify who the AAC are and in general how college presidents think and operate. This is not some unsolvable puzzle. Conferences have a DNA and the AAC certainly has one. I get that you dont want to discuss it because logical analysis leads to the conclusion of oh crap, Liberty DOESNT fit.

But keep hope alive and work on your geography studies.07-coffee3
In my attempt to make peace, your unhinged anger gets in your way. You are one unhappy camper full of bluster without merit to back it up. Sort of like the drunk at the bar who has had too much to drink and just babbles incoherently hearing only what they are spouting. I will not respond again so go ahead, throw hour tantrum. Stamp your feet. Pucker your lower lip in disapproval. That is how you are acting. Bye, and respond away as you wish. You'll only get keyboard approval. So far you are a hopeless, listless cause.
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RE: Does Liberty have a snowballs chance in hell of getting into the AAC?
(09-20-2021 10:10 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:49 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:41 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:33 AM)panama Wrote:  
(09-20-2021 09:25 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  Years ago SBC posters said
- LU would never become FBS
- then LU would never be able to schedule when becoming Indy
- then LU would never go to post season play
- and now LU will only receive a C-USA bid (which is preferable to SBC)

South America, fortunately others make the important choice and not you or I.

Again, tell me where my analysis is wrong? Still waiting to hear why the AAC would pick Libery over R1s not in a cow pasture and without baggage. 07-coffee3


And proving that you're a poor academic fit, i am failing you in geography.
I respect you as a dedicated and avid fan for your team. I disagree with your assessment of other programs, of which you and I know nothing of, but can only speculate. This is like a dog chasing his tail. Never ending and no agreement in sight. I am going to say I agree that we disagree and move on.

Youre not even providing an argument as to why you think Liberty would be invited. You arent saying where you think that AAC Presidents would disregard institutional fit , cultural fit, academics and market or where Liberty would meet any of those criteria? And I am not talking about other programs. I am tallking specifially about "Liberty" to be clear.

And I highly disagree with your...disagreement. LOL. We can quantify who Liberty is where they are located, how they operate. We can also quantify who the AAC are and in general how college presidents think and operate. This is not some unsolvable puzzle. Conferences have a DNA and the AAC certainly has one. I get that you dont want to discuss it because logical analysis leads to the conclusion of oh crap, Liberty DOESNT fit.

But keep hope alive and work on your geography studies.07-coffee3
In my attempt to make peace, your unhinged anger gets in your way. You are one unhappy camper full of bluster without merit to back it up. Sort of like the drunk at the bar who has had too much to drink and just babbles incoherently hearing only what they are spouting. I will not respond again so go ahead, throw hour tantrum. Stamp your feet. Pucker your lower lip in disapproval. That is how you are acting. Bye, and respond away as you wish. You'll only get keyboard approval. So far you are a hopeless, listless cause.
LOL
LOL
LOL

Who is angry? I am asking you questions.

Is this how you generally go through life when people ask you questions?

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LOL. This was fun.
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