(09-10-2021 05:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Since it's University Presidents that vote on schools there's zero chance Liberty gets in.

Simple

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So to sum up, regarding the question in the OP, while we could endlessly debate the existence of hell, Liberty doesn't have a snowball's chance in Death Valley of getting into the AAC.

While I do not support Liberty’s view of the world, I find it curious that fans of schools that support the Marxist burn loot murder movement, 1619 project and crt think that LU is extremist.

(09-13-2021 11:27 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  So to sum up, regarding the question in the OP, while we could endlessly debate the existence of hell, Liberty doesn't have a snowball's chance in Death Valley of getting into the AAC.

Amen, brother!

As a Liberty alumni I appreciate a real conversation taking place. Usually you’ll have 3-4 people on the opposite side that prevent a substantive conversation from occurring. I think Liberty to the AAC is a possibility but 2 factors will come to play. 1. ESPN: Liberty has a good relationship with ESPN and you can find almost every sport broadcast on ESPN 3.(football, baseball, basketball, volleyball and soccer) Liberty recently signed a new 5 year deal with them. ESPN will have at least some say so into conference realignment. Big 12 pres has called them out over it. ESPN would likely be an ally to Liberty joining. 2: If we can get a campus visit from other presidents in the AAC I think some of the negatives to Liberty would be diminished. The hallway, not hall for creation studies isn’t a big deal and if you’re a Christian of course you believe in creation. When I was there I was taught the theory of evolution and what the Bible says about human origin. If a site visit occurs I would feel really good about our chances.

On a different note, someone questioned whenever Willis graduates will Liberty be able to recruit at a high level. The answer is yes. We already have our next qb on campus. Kaiden Salter, rated the 46th best player last year had over 20 offers. He signed with TN, got into some trouble and then transferred to Liberty. Very similar to Willis, dual threat QB that can throw and run. Also got a DL 4*transfer from Auburn with 4 years left to play. We’ll be fine going forward.

(09-13-2021 12:37 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Sigh. Once again, Creation Studies falls into the School of Divinity and not Science Department. Young Earth Theory i just one of many origin theories and not generally viewed by the school as the preferred thought. In fact, it is tough to find many on LU faculty, staff or student body who espouse the Young Earth Theory. But I get that it makes a fun talking point even if it factually wrong in regard to LU. An absence of knowledge of the situation has never stopped anone from havng overheated opinions. Just take a look at national discourse these days on nearly every topic.

And yet Duke, for instance, has a Divinity School and doesn’t have a pseudo-scientific department hiding in it. Placing it organizationally in the divinity school doesn’t change the fact that the university has a “science” department trying to prove the world is 7,000 years old.

We actually do not have such a science department. We would likely lose SACS accreditation if we did. If you would go to most science classes at LU you would have a tough time distinguishing it from a class at UCF. Same textbooks. Same classroom experience. But once again, perception becomes reality in the absence of knowledge.

As for the chances, they are admittedly low. But when you compare budgets, facilities, competitiveness and connections in TV space we arguably would be the first or second choice. Sadly those are not the parameters on which the process if focused. Stereotypes. Sigh.

Liberty doesn’t seem to have any trouble scheduling, so they’ll be fine as an Independent. They’ll probably dominate their basketball league, which I’m guessing is the Atlantic Sun or of that ilk.

I do not believe they have a chance to gain membership in the AAC at this time.

(09-15-2021 06:28 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 12:37 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Sigh. Once again, Creation Studies falls into the School of Divinity and not Science Department. Young Earth Theory i just one of many origin theories and not generally viewed by the school as the preferred thought. In fact, it is tough to find many on LU faculty, staff or student body who espouse the Young Earth Theory. But I get that it makes a fun talking point even if it factually wrong in regard to LU. An absence of knowledge of the situation has never stopped anone from havng overheated opinions. Just take a look at national discourse these days on nearly every topic.

And yet Duke, for instance, has a Divinity School and doesn’t have a pseudo-scientific department hiding in it. Placing it organizationally in the divinity school doesn’t change the fact that the university has a “science” department trying to prove the world is 7,000 years old.

Does Liberty teach that the universe was created or does it teach that it was created and is only 7K years old? There's a big difference between the 2. There are several lines of thought related to the belief that God created the universe.

In the School of Divinity, we teach that the universe was created. How that occurred and over what period of time is open to discussion based on different theories. Inside science classes, origins make up a tiny portion of the educational experience at LU like most other schools. Evolution is presented as the prevailing school of thought in academia. The only difference is profs sometimes acknowledge that Christians view the same content through a different lens based on our worldview. It is not the big issue to those inside our community as it is to those outside.

And yes, our basketball program is actually better than nearly every other candidate for the AAC. We have won the ASUN three straight years and been regularly just outside the Top 25 for most of that time. But alas no one cares about hoops in this realignment.

The doctrinal statement still affirms that the universe was created in "six historical days," which is very much the classic young earth view. I think LU is a bit bipolar on this. We definitely have the older fundamentalist generation that will die on this hill, and as they die literally, there is a younger generation that will continue to poke holes in it.

(09-15-2021 10:23 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  In the School of Divinity, we teach that the universe was created. How that occurred and over what period of time is open to discussion based on different theories. Inside science classes, origins make up a tiny portion of the educational experience at LU like most other schools. Evolution is presented as the prevailing school of thought in academia. The only difference is profs sometimes acknowledge that Christians view the same content through a different lens based on our worldview. It is not the big issue to those inside our community as it is to those outside.

And yes, our basketball program is actually better than nearly every other candidate for the AAC. We have won the ASUN three straight years and been regularly just outside the Top 25 for most of that time. But alas no one cares about hoops in this realignment.

Oh I completely disagree about that part. I think the AAC very much cares about hoops in this realignment. I don't think it's the #1 thing driving the AAC choices, but I do think there are going to be some schools essentially eliminated from contention because of how bad their hoops programs are. The only program I could see with terrible hoops that might get in is Rice.

(09-13-2021 11:44 AM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 11:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-12-2021 08:21 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  Liberty has a Center for Creation Studies devoted to teaching a supposed "creation-evolution controversy."

Versus "CRT" today?

LOL - please define CRT, and please give concrete examples of where it is being taught, and what is wrong with what is being taught.

(09-15-2021 10:31 AM)Willflop Wrote:  The doctrinal statement still affirms that the universe was created in "six historical days," which is very much the classic young earth view. I think LU is a bit bipolar on this. We definitely have the older fundamentalist generation that will die on this hill, and as they die literally, there is a younger generation that will continue to poke holes in it.

Sounds like once Liberty is done being bipolar on this and the younger generation pokes the holes in it, Liberty will be in a much better place in terms of how other members of academia perceive them.

Also by that point hopefully the stench from Falwell and his supporters will be long gone.

I didn't think it was possible but ...

(09-15-2021 10:31 AM)Willflop Wrote:  The doctrinal statement still affirms that the universe was created in "six historical days," which is very much the classic young earth view. I think LU is a bit bipolar on this. We definitely have the older fundamentalist generation that will die on this hill, and as they die literally, there is a younger generation that will continue to poke holes in it.

I don't think a doctrinal statement, especially for a divinity school, is a big issue. Even the way that "Creation Studies" is presented isn't necessarily a big issue: "The Center for Creation Studies is an interdisciplinary education and research institute committed to the study of the origin of the universe, the earth, life, and diversification of species. This study draws upon knowledge from religion, science, philosophy, and history."

My understanding, however, is that the Creation Studies department does much more than that from a "research" perspective. They deny the age of dinosaur fossils, for instance, and try to prove that they are no more than 7,000 years old. There's an effort to prove the 7,000 years belief, which flies in the face of established scientific findings in multiple disciplines. That, to me, is a problem. Having a philosophy class where different views of the universe are taught isn't an issue - I imagine Notre Dame and many other highly respected, religiously-affiliated universities have that class. But what those schools don't have is a research department that denies actual science to push a theological view.

https://www.liberty.edu/champion/2018/03...eationist/

(09-13-2021 02:14 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 01:20 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 12:37 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Sigh. Once again, Creation Studies falls into the School of Divinity and not Science Department. Young Earth Theory i just one of many origin theories and not generally viewed by the school as the preferred thought.

Liberty University maintains a Creation Hall on the second floor of the Center for Natural Sciences near the center of campus "dedicated to promoting young-Earth creation to students, faculty, staff, and visitors." The hall "displays numerous replicas of ancient post-Flood humans and non-human primates, as well as fossils of organisms buried during Noah's flood and it's aftermath."

LOL, if this bothers you and doesn't match your world view then don't attend Liberty. If your LGBT and don't like their honor code, don't attend or seek employment at BYU or Liberty.
If you want to have sex before marriage, don't attend these types of private schools either. Those schools serve a certain demographic and are wildly successful at it.

Ok, good for them. But right now the decision is whether to associate our universities with theirs, so yeah— schools like SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USNA are going to weigh this stuff. That’s totally fair and makes sense.

(09-16-2021 11:00 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 02:14 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 01:20 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-13-2021 12:37 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  Sigh. Once again, Creation Studies falls into the School of Divinity and not Science Department. Young Earth Theory i just one of many origin theories and not generally viewed by the school as the preferred thought.

Liberty University maintains a Creation Hall on the second floor of the Center for Natural Sciences near the center of campus "dedicated to promoting young-Earth creation to students, faculty, staff, and visitors." The hall "displays numerous replicas of ancient post-Flood humans and non-human primates, as well as fossils of organisms buried during Noah's flood and it's aftermath."

LOL, if this bothers you and doesn't match your world view then don't attend Liberty. If your LGBT and don't like their honor code, don't attend or seek employment at BYU or Liberty.
If you want to have sex before marriage, don't attend these types of private schools either. Those schools serve a certain demographic and are wildly successful at it.

Ok, good for them. But right now the decision is whether to associate our universities with theirs, so yeah— schools like SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and USNA are going to weigh this stuff. That’s totally fair and makes sense.

Liberty has the freedom to be anti-equality, anti-science, etc.

But that freesom cuts both ways - other universities have the right to not want to be associated with that type of "thinking"

At Liberty we embrace that concept fully, dbackjon. We get there are repercussions for our stances. If that weren't the case, there would be little discussion of whether or not we were a top AAC candidate. On sorts alone we would be front of the line or close to it. But it is our philosophical differences that both make us stand out in good and bad ways.

But let the record show, we aren't asking to be in Sunday School together. We just want to play sports. Sometimes having a perceived villain in your league can be fun.

To the OP, no, they don’t.