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Conference Realignment
I've admittedly not been active on this board for a long time, but with the news of Big 12 expansion today, I wanted to come back and check the fan pulse on UT and conference realignment.

It does not seem like UT is considered an immediate serious candidate for AAC expansion. Regardless, this is still a topic that affects nearly every FBS program.

So...

Do UT fans want to leave the MAC?

Is there any word if the university is actively trying to leave?

If so, is there a preferred conference destination?

How do you think things will play out in the MAC over this next decade?
09-10-2021 12:21 PM
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-10-2021 12:21 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  I've admittedly not been active on this board for a long time, but with the news of Big 12 expansion today, I wanted to come back and check the fan pulse on UT and conference realignment.

It does not seem like UT is considered an immediate serious candidate for AAC expansion. Regardless, this is still a topic that affects nearly every FBS program.

So...

Do UT fans want to leave the MAC?

Is there any word if the university is actively trying to leave?

If so, is there a preferred conference destination?

How do you think things will play out in the MAC over this next decade?

Would love to leave if it makes economic and competitive sense, but I’m afraid upward conference mobility has come and gone for Toledo.

If anyone moves up I’m guessing Buffalo, we don’t seem to have the will or resources.
09-10-2021 01:22 PM
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RE: Conference Realignment
and there is no better conference with a Midwest footprint
09-10-2021 01:30 PM
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RE: Conference Realignment
I like Pete Thamel's idea of the G5 starting to look to make more "sense" instead of "cents" seeing as how most all of the media rights contracts will be within a couple hundred thousand dollars now. No sense in having a conference that goes from Pennsylvania to Texas or southern Florida to damn near New Mexico if there is no monetary reason to do so...realign with more care to geography, potential rivalries, and regional feel. No way it'll happen, but it makes far more sense than just having dominoes continue to fall on down the line.

Mountain West

Hawaii
Fresno State
Nevada
UNLV
San Diego State
San Jose State
Utah State

Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
New Mexico
Wyoming
UTEP
New Mexico State

Conference USA

Tulsa
SMU
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
UTSA
Texas State
Rice
Memphis

Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Tulane
Southern Miss
Troy

Sun Belt Conference

FAU
FIU
USF
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama
UAB

Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
East Carolina
Appalachian State
Marshall
Old Dominion
Liberty

MAC

Akron
Kent State
Temple
UConn
UMass
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami (Ohio)

Bowling Green
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Toledo
Western Kentucky
Northern Illinois
Ball State

With Navy and Army as Independents
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RE: Conference Realignment
Toledo joining this AAC makes no sense with the nearest school being more than 500 miles away. Travel would be killers cost-wise as every away game for every sport would likely require a plane ride. And could be bad for athletes sport/academic balance in sports with regular mid-week games (basketball, volleyball, soccer, etc.)

AAC will probably try to raid CUSA, which will likely cause that to implode. MAC should step in and make sweetheart offers to the more northern CUSA teams - WKU, Marshall & MTSU to encourage them to join. Those would all be good fits for the MAC and expand the media footprint and could maybe allow renegotiating the ESPN contract. MAC Could then boot EMU to maintain an even number (EMU doesn't add any media market being too close to UM, UT & BGSU. Or could boot BGSU if preferred I guess.)
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-10-2021 05:36 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Toledo joining this AAC makes no sense with the nearest school being more than 500 miles away. Travel would be killers cost-wise as every away game for every sport would likely require a plane ride. And could be bad for athletes sport/academic balance in sports with regular mid-week games (basketball, volleyball, soccer, etc.)

AAC will probably try to raid CUSA, which will likely cause that to implode. MAC should step in and make sweetheart offers to the more northern CUSA teams - WKU, Marshall & MTSU to encourage them to join. Those would all be good fits for the MAC and expand the media footprint and could maybe allow renegotiating the ESPN contract. MAC Could then boot EMU to maintain an even number (EMU doesn't add any media market being too close to UM, UT & BGSU. Or could boot BGSU if preferred I guess.)

EMU has the most titles of non revenue sports. I kind of think BG or Ball State would be better candidates to leave. Akron if it wasnt for Soccer.
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-10-2021 05:45 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 05:36 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Toledo joining this AAC makes no sense with the nearest school being more than 500 miles away. Travel would be killers cost-wise as every away game for every sport would likely require a plane ride. And could be bad for athletes sport/academic balance in sports with regular mid-week games (basketball, volleyball, soccer, etc.)

AAC will probably try to raid CUSA, which will likely cause that to implode. MAC should step in and make sweetheart offers to the more northern CUSA teams - WKU, Marshall & MTSU to encourage them to join. Those would all be good fits for the MAC and expand the media footprint and could maybe allow renegotiating the ESPN contract. MAC Could then boot EMU to maintain an even number (EMU doesn't add any media market being too close to UM, UT & BGSU. Or could boot BGSU if preferred I guess.)

EMU has the most titles of non revenue sports. I kind of think BG or Ball State would be better candidates to leave. Akron if it wasnt for Soccer.

True of EMU, but conference alignment is less about what you bring to the table on the field as it is what you bring to the table to help with revenue - so if you aren't adding a media market or adding top of the conference attendance figures, the performance matters less, IMO.
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-10-2021 01:22 PM)acrocket46 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 12:21 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  I've admittedly not been active on this board for a long time, but with the news of Big 12 expansion today, I wanted to come back and check the fan pulse on UT and conference realignment.

It does not seem like UT is considered an immediate serious candidate for AAC expansion. Regardless, this is still a topic that affects nearly every FBS program.

So...

Do UT fans want to leave the MAC?

Is there any word if the university is actively trying to leave?

If so, is there a preferred conference destination?

How do you think things will play out in the MAC over this next decade?

Would love to leave if it makes economic and competitive sense, but I’m afraid upward conference mobility has come and gone for Toledo.

If anyone moves up I’m guessing Buffalo, we don’t seem to have the will or resources.

I've been gone *a while* myself. Did I miss much?
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I've been gone *a while* myself. Did I miss much?
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Glad you are back. Is Oddball next?
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Glad to see you back Karl!04-jawdrop
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-10-2021 06:15 PM)Karl Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 01:22 PM)acrocket46 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 12:21 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  I've admittedly not been active on this board for a long time, but with the news of Big 12 expansion today, I wanted to come back and check the fan pulse on UT and conference realignment.

It does not seem like UT is considered an immediate serious candidate for AAC expansion. Regardless, this is still a topic that affects nearly every FBS program.

So...

Do UT fans want to leave the MAC?

Is there any word if the university is actively trying to leave?

If so, is there a preferred conference destination?

How do you think things will play out in the MAC over this next decade?

Would love to leave if it makes economic and competitive sense, but I’m afraid upward conference mobility has come and gone for Toledo.

If anyone moves up I’m guessing Buffalo, we don’t seem to have the will or resources.

I've been gone *a while* myself. Did I miss much?

Geez, like 10 years Karl… hope you stick around!!!
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RE: Conference Realignment
https://theathletic.com/2826426/2021/09/...roup-of-5/

If you have Athletic you can read this. This writer does not see any MAC programs moving because of the tremendous subsidies that most of the school athletic programs have to stay afloat
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RE: Conference Realignment
Toledo is not going anywhere in 2021-22 because MOB is not in a position to make a decision like that. I think the guy (or gal) that replaces him will be a direct indicator of where the vision is long term. Hire from a P5 and the direction will be to look bigger and for growth opportunities. Hire from within, G5 or FCS / DII level and we are going to be looking at ways to stay competitive without spending any more.
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-15-2021 11:14 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/2826426/2021/09/...roup-of-5/

If you have Athletic you can read this. This writer does not see any MAC programs moving because of the tremendous subsidies that most of the school athletic programs have to stay afloat

how do i read the article without the popup coming up ?
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-10-2021 06:15 PM)Karl Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 01:22 PM)acrocket46 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 12:21 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  I've admittedly not been active on this board for a long time, but with the news of Big 12 expansion today, I wanted to come back and check the fan pulse on UT and conference realignment.

It does not seem like UT is considered an immediate serious candidate for AAC expansion. Regardless, this is still a topic that affects nearly every FBS program.

So...

Do UT fans want to leave the MAC?

Is there any word if the university is actively trying to leave?

If so, is there a preferred conference destination?

How do you think things will play out in the MAC over this next decade?

Would love to leave if it makes economic and competitive sense, but I’m afraid upward conference mobility has come and gone for Toledo.

If anyone moves up I’m guessing Buffalo, we don’t seem to have the will or resources.

I've been gone *a while* myself. Did I miss much?

Not a thing, Karl. Buncha guys bitchin’ about sports. Great to have you back!
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New conference being initiated to include selective teams from the MAC and others ? What does everyone think ?
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RE: Conference Realignment
(09-15-2021 02:27 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 06:15 PM)Karl Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 01:22 PM)acrocket46 Wrote:  
(09-10-2021 12:21 PM)BrooklynRocket Wrote:  I've admittedly not been active on this board for a long time, but with the news of Big 12 expansion today, I wanted to come back and check the fan pulse on UT and conference realignment.

It does not seem like UT is considered an immediate serious candidate for AAC expansion. Regardless, this is still a topic that affects nearly every FBS program.

So...

Do UT fans want to leave the MAC?

Is there any word if the university is actively trying to leave?

If so, is there a preferred conference destination?

How do you think things will play out in the MAC over this next decade?

Would love to leave if it makes economic and competitive sense, but I’m afraid upward conference mobility has come and gone for Toledo.

If anyone moves up I’m guessing Buffalo, we don’t seem to have the will or resources.

I've been gone *a while* myself. Did I miss much?

Not a thing, Karl. Buncha guys bitchin’ about sports. Great to have you back!

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(09-15-2021 01:14 PM)Nick from Ohio Wrote:  Toledo is not going anywhere in 2021-22 because MOB is not in a position to make a decision like that. I think the guy (or gal) that replaces him will be a direct indicator of where the vision is long term. Hire from a P5 and the direction will be to look bigger and for growth opportunities. Hire from within, G5 or FCS / DII level and we are going to be looking at ways to stay competitive without spending any more.

Won't matter who the next AD is, moving to another conference would be ultimately decision of UT President and Board and as others have mentioned the economics (increased travel costs alone) doom any such idea. Its simply not in the cards given current budget situation at UT-keeping in mind the football program and UT Athletics don't make money, they are high subsidized from UT general operating budget, hence why it would be UT administrative decision and not left up solely to AD. That dream has long since sailed folks.
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(09-15-2021 11:14 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  https://theathletic.com/2826426/2021/09/...roup-of-5/

If you have Athletic you can read this. This writer does not see any MAC programs moving because of the tremendous subsidies that most of the school athletic programs have to stay afloat

BINGO
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(09-15-2021 02:27 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  New conference being initiated to include selective teams from the MAC and others ? What does everyone think ?

I could see a new conference being put together. The top MAC teams. Maybe the top Sunbelt, CUSA and AAC. Maybe it would not add too much travel. But for The Rockets to just up and leave the MAC would be a mistake. Depending on where we go I believe that could add way too much travel for away games.
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