I wanted to spin this off from the Memphis leadership thread. For me this started with this post from memphistiger89:

(09-07-2021 04:17 AM)Alanda Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 05:50 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Didn't Shirley and RC Cola put the university on the hook for a $100,000 feasibility study a few years ago to see if an OCS was even a possibility? They thought the study would show that it wasn't feasible and in essence, they could tell everybody to shut up about it. The study came back and found that not only was there room on campus, but that it would be financially beneficial to the university to do so. Shirley and RC Cola called a quick news conference to let everyone know that the study would be ignored and no OCS would be forthcoming.

Bush league.

Found a Commercial Appeal article talking about that.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-comm...5106692379

In the CA article it shows the seven sites that were determined for an OCS in the feasibility study, the costs for building them at the time, and potential revenue.

My personal idea is to build a covered stadium that can be used for both football and men's basketball. I had spent some time looking at stadium acreages to see if there were some small enough to fit in my idea. Browning Hall reminded me of the Carrier Dome that hosts both football and men's bb for Syracuse. It's on campus and according to their site it is 7.7 acres which is what I was hoping to find. I had been looking for stadiums under 10 acres. According to their site it seats 49k for football and 34.6k for basketball.

I wanted to take a more extreme approach and give a rough visual to show how an OCS can work. When I say extreme I mean focus strictly on the main part of the campus as you see in this pic.



Obviously these numbers aren't exact, but it helps to get an idea of the size we're dealing with. The green part is around 106 acres as you can see.

Then based on my memory from when I attended I chose the area behind the library plus some more land. This spot seems to be the same as Site 7 from the feasibility study.



Again numbers aren't exact, but it shows that a Carrier Dome-type stadium can potentially fit as this section is also around 7.7 acres. The Ellipse, one road, Browning Hall (the building not the poster), and Robison Hall would be sacrificed for this. And if you needed more land for the stadium and extra parking then Memorial Field would be used. With the library's receiving area being on the south side and the loss of that road, a new road could be made coming from Norriswood and placed between the library and stadium.

Going back to Syracuse and the Carrier Dome, here is the map of the campus to show how it fits for a comparison.

I know it would cost more to build with a roof, but I think this is the best route as it would get both sports back on campus while using the least amount of space. Unfortunately all I could find was an old 2014 article where an engineering firm estimated the cost of a fixed-roof added $25m-$40m to a project so that range would be higher today. But with your two primary sources of revenue in one spot I think it would more than make up for it. Especially with the increased capacity for basketball being near to or (hopefully) past Syracuse. Also it won't be as large nor as fancy as an NFL stadium which will help keep costs down. So that's just my take on how it could be done from my layman perspective.

So you're saying that you would throw away one of our basketball recruiting advantages of playing in an NBA arena by spending much more on a multi-purpose facility on campus? Do you think that is a good swap?

Personally, I question the ability of groups involved to be able to pull together that much $$$ for the "Cadillac" version. How long did it take to get adequate funding in place to build the IPF? Not the recent effort, but back to the days when the bulldozer was parked out on South campus and the coaches were telling recruits that they were breaking ground for it. Didn't the machinery have weeds growing up around it by the time funding finally became available?

Let's don't penalize the basketball side when a much more simpler and less costly option is available for a football OCS. JMHO

Just put men’s basketball in Elma Roane and call it a night

Blah blah blah. It could have been done it could be done. The school pisses away money like a drunk sailor 8n Singapore
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Too late. Fricking school marm shirley and hucksters cal and RC fricked us

Forget it

Has anyone ever looked at the feasibility of moving the campus to the Fair Grounds? Problem solved.

(09-09-2021 10:27 PM)former guest Wrote:  So you're saying that you would throw away one of our basketball recruiting advantages of playing in an NBA arena by spending much more on a multi-purpose facility on campus? Do you think that is a good swap?

Personally, I question the ability of groups involved to be able to pull together that much $$$ for the "Cadillac" version. How long did it take to get adequate funding in place to build the IPF? Not the recent effort, but back to the days when the bulldozer was parked out on South campus and the coaches were telling recruits that they were breaking ground for it. Didn't the machinery have weeds growing up around it by the time funding finally became available?

Let's don't penalize the basketball side when a much more simpler and less costly option is available for a football OCS. JMHO

Recruiting boils down to the coach. Plus the replacement pitch would be playing in front of 30k+ fans. And from a potential revenue angle, yes. Again using Syracuse as the comparison. According to EADA for the 19-20 report we broke even in 19-20 basketball revenue and expenses at $11,932,656. I believe we usually breakeven. Syracuse's men revenue was $22,665,104 with $13,981,273 in expenses. I agree about the potential lack of effort. I just wanted to show a spot could be made for it.

(09-09-2021 10:27 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Just put men’s basketball in Elma Roane and call it a night

We can also do this. Wouldn't be much worse than some of the things we've seen in the past.

(09-09-2021 10:37 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Blah blah blah. It could have been done it could be done. The school pisses away money like a drunk sailor 8n Singapore
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Too late. Fricking school marm shirley and hucksters cal and RC fricked us

Forget it

It wasn't over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, so I still have some faith. But I do agree about the screwing.

(09-09-2021 10:40 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  Has anyone ever looked at the feasibility of moving the campus to the Fair Grounds? Problem solved.

This is the type of radical thinking we need.

A dome!? Good lord.

(09-10-2021 07:44 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  A dome!? Good lord.

I think he is thinking too small.

The arena should be a rectangular hub.

One side of the arena should be the main entrance point for fans and mass transit. This would include an small amphitheater stage overlooking the commons area that would host pep bands on game day and student performances during the school year.

The second side should adjoin sports offices and facilities for the sports using the arena. Gameday lockers for football and basketball. And a passageway to Elma Roane to access those facilities. Press facilities would likely go here as well.

The third side should incorporate staging access for concerts and events along with a passageway to the performing arts facilities.

The fourth side should house complete facilities for the marching band and direct access to the field level. All equipment and practice rooms would be in that facility. Also housed on this side is all the facilities equipment and storage needed to repurpose the arena for events.

This is how you build an on-campus facility that would have the support of the theater department, music department, and athletic department. It would cost a fortune, but it would be one of the finest facilities in the nation.

(09-10-2021 08:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 07:44 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  A dome!? Good lord.

I think he is thinking too small.

The arena should be a rectangular hub.

One side of the arena should be the main entrance point for fans and mass transit. This would include an small amphitheater stage overlooking the commons area that would host pep bands on game day and student performances during the school year.

The second side should adjoin sports offices and facilities for the sports using the arena. Gameday lockers for football and basketball. And a passageway to Elma Roane to access those facilities. Press facilities would likely go here as well.

The third side should incorporate staging access for concerts and events along with a passageway to the performing arts facilities.

The fourth side should house complete facilities for the marching band and direct access to the field level. All equipment and practice rooms would be in that facility. Also housed on this side is all the facilities equipment and storage needed to repurpose the arena for events.

This is how you build an on-campus facility that would have the support of the theater department, music department, and athletic department. It would cost a fortune, but it would be one of the finest facilities in the nation.

Is there an underground to tunnel to Wayne Tower and Middle-Earth?

(09-10-2021 07:44 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  A dome!? Good lord.

A pyramid I tell ya, a pyramid!

(09-10-2021 08:27 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 07:44 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  A dome!? Good lord.

I think he is thinking too small.

The arena should be a rectangular hub.

One side of the arena should be the main entrance point for fans and mass transit. This would include an small amphitheater stage overlooking the commons area that would host pep bands on game day and student performances during the school year.

The second side should adjoin sports offices and facilities for the sports using the arena. Gameday lockers for football and basketball. And a passageway to Elma Roane to access those facilities. Press facilities would likely go here as well.

The third side should incorporate staging access for concerts and events along with a passageway to the performing arts facilities.

The fourth side should house complete facilities for the marching band and direct access to the field level. All equipment and practice rooms would be in that facility. Also housed on this side is all the facilities equipment and storage needed to repurpose the arena for events.

This is how you build an on-campus facility that would have the support of the theater department, music department, and athletic department. It would cost a fortune, but it would be one of the finest facilities in the nation.

Is there an underground to tunnel to Wayne Tower and Middle-Earth?

You joke, but I was wondering how we could get the football team from the Murphy complex to the stadium without using busses.

And with tongue firmly planted in cheek, "That Carrier Dome can't be real. There are no collector and artery streets around the stadium. How do people leave the game in 20 minutes?"

(09-10-2021 09:32 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:27 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 07:44 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  A dome!? Good lord.

I think he is thinking too small.

The arena should be a rectangular hub.

One side of the arena should be the main entrance point for fans and mass transit. This would include an small amphitheater stage overlooking the commons area that would host pep bands on game day and student performances during the school year.

The second side should adjoin sports offices and facilities for the sports using the arena. Gameday lockers for football and basketball. And a passageway to Elma Roane to access those facilities. Press facilities would likely go here as well.

The third side should incorporate staging access for concerts and events along with a passageway to the performing arts facilities.

The fourth side should house complete facilities for the marching band and direct access to the field level. All equipment and practice rooms would be in that facility. Also housed on this side is all the facilities equipment and storage needed to repurpose the arena for events.

This is how you build an on-campus facility that would have the support of the theater department, music department, and athletic department. It would cost a fortune, but it would be one of the finest facilities in the nation.

Is there an underground to tunnel to Wayne Tower and Middle-Earth?

You joke, but I was wondering how we could get the football team from the Murphy complex to the stadium without using busses.

And with tongue firmly planted in cheek, "That Carrier Dome can't be real. There are no collector and artery streets around the stadium. How do people leave the game in 20 minutes?"

Don't they bus from the Holiday Inn around the corner?

(09-09-2021 10:09 PM)Alanda Wrote:  I wanted to spin this off from the Memphis leadership thread. For me this started with this post from memphistiger89:

(09-07-2021 04:17 AM)Alanda Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 05:50 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  Didn't Shirley and RC Cola put the university on the hook for a $100,000 feasibility study a few years ago to see if an OCS was even a possibility? They thought the study would show that it wasn't feasible and in essence, they could tell everybody to shut up about it. The study came back and found that not only was there room on campus, but that it would be financially beneficial to the university to do so. Shirley and RC Cola called a quick news conference to let everyone know that the study would be ignored and no OCS would be forthcoming.

Bush league.

Found a Commercial Appeal article talking about that.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-comm...5106692379

In the CA article it shows the seven sites that were determined for an OCS in the feasibility study, the costs for building them at the time, and potential revenue.

My personal idea is to build a covered stadium that can be used for both football and men's basketball. I had spent some time looking at stadium acreages to see if there were some small enough to fit in my idea. Browning Hall reminded me of the Carrier Dome that hosts both football and men's bb for Syracuse. It's on campus and according to their site it is 7.7 acres which is what I was hoping to find. I had been looking for stadiums under 10 acres. According to their site it seats 49k for football and 34.6k for basketball.

I wanted to take a more extreme approach and give a rough visual to show how an OCS can work. When I say extreme I mean focus strictly on the main part of the campus as you see in this pic.



Obviously these numbers aren't exact, but it helps to get an idea of the size we're dealing with. The green part is around 106 acres as you can see.

Then based on my memory from when I attended I chose the area behind the library plus some more land. This spot seems to be the same as Site 7 from the feasibility study.



Again numbers aren't exact, but it shows that a Carrier Dome-type stadium can potentially fit as this section is also around 7.7 acres. The Ellipse, one road, Browning Hall (the building not the poster), and Robison Hall would be sacrificed for this. And if you needed more land for the stadium and extra parking then Memorial Field would be used. With the library's receiving area being on the south side and the loss of that road, a new road could be made coming from Norriswood and placed between the library and stadium.

Going back to Syracuse and the Carrier Dome, here is the map of the campus to show how it fits for a comparison.

I know it would cost more to build with a roof, but I think this is the best route as it would get both sports back on campus while using the least amount of space. Unfortunately all I could find was an old 2014 article where an engineering firm estimated the cost of a fixed-roof added $25m-$40m to a project so that range would be higher today. But with your two primary sources of revenue in one spot I think it would more than make up for it. Especially with the increased capacity for basketball being near to or (hopefully) past Syracuse. Also it won't be as large nor as fancy as an NFL stadium which will help keep costs down. So that's just my take on how it could be done from my layman perspective.

The study was PRIVATELY FUNDED by a group that campaigned for the OCS and was filled with misrepresentation of facts and misinformation.

And AGAIN just because the footprint of the stadium will fit in a spot does not make it feasible.

None of the recommended locations had the infrastructure needed to handle a stadium.

The feasibility study looked specifically at the infrastructure needed at each site which is why their is significant cost difference from site to site.

At least 3 or 4 of the 6 sites identified would be off the table now due to new facilities or in progress construction in those areas.

(09-10-2021 09:52 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  The study was PRIVATELY FUNDED by a group that campaigned for the OCS and was filled with misrepresentation of facts and misinformation.

What the hell does the source of the funding have to with the conclusions of the study? It backed its claims up with data you can plainly read.

(09-10-2021 09:52 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  And AGAIN just because the footprint of the stadium will fit in a spot does not make it feasible.
None of the recommended locations had the infrastructure needed to handle a stadium.

Projects require infrastructure improvements ALL THE TIME. You like to throw that word "infrastructure" around as if it's some nebulous word the troglodytes won't know the meaning of, so they won't challenge you on it. The ONLY infrastructure that would be a killer to a project like this would be sewer capacity and sewer topographical relief.

(09-10-2021 10:08 AM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  The feasibility study looked specifically at the infrastructure needed at each site which is why their is significant cost difference from site to site.

At least 3 or 4 of the 6 sites identified would be off the table now due to new facilities or in progress construction in those areas.

THANK you!

I honestly do not understand the desire for an on-campus stadium. Can someone explain it to me rationally (preferably without insults or devolving into unrelated personal conflicts)? What is wrong the Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium that can't be fixed by renovating and upgrading?

I assume an on-campus stadium would cost at least half a billion dollars - how would that possibly be the best use of very limited University resources? It seems to me that it is far from the best investment, instead of continuing to invest in other new athletic facilities and renovating and upgrading LBMS.

I like the Liberty Bowl and I am genuinely bewildered by people online who seem to passionately want an OCS. Not sure why anyone wants this other than the construction and architecture companies who would get the money. What am I missing?

I'm interested to hear the $50 million we're gonna do to the LB this off-season first. I think the LB can be as good as an OCS with the right adjutsments. Chairbacks everywhere. Tear down both press boxes and move them down. Throw in suite seating. Probably more than 50 mil right there though.

(09-10-2021 10:15 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  I honestly do not understand the desire for an on-campus stadium. Can someone explain it to me rationally (preferably without insults or devolving into unrelated personal conflicts)? What is wrong the Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium that can't be fixed by renovating and upgrading?

I assume an on-campus stadium would cost at least half a billion dollars - how would that possibly be the best use of very limited University resources? It seems to me that it is far from the best investment, instead of continuing to invest in other new athletic facilities and renovating and upgrading LBMS.

I like the Liberty Bowl and I am genuinely bewildered by people online who seem to passionately want an OCS. Not sure why anyone wants this other than the construction and architecture companies who would get the money. What am I missing?

Better atmosphere, brings alumni back to campus multiple times a year and how many P5 programs do not have an OCS?

Additionally, we are clearly going to be dropping tens of millions into the LBS, why not stop trying to upgrade a city owned stadium and build our own?

(09-10-2021 10:15 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  I honestly do not understand the desire for an on-campus stadium. Can someone explain it to me rationally (preferably without insults or devolving into unrelated personal conflicts)? What is wrong the Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium that can't be fixed by renovating and upgrading?

I assume an on-campus stadium would cost at least half a billion dollars - how would that possibly be the best use of very limited University resources? It seems to me that it is far from the best investment, instead of continuing to invest in other new athletic facilities and renovating and upgrading LBMS.

I like the Liberty Bowl and I am genuinely bewildered by people online who seem to passionately want an OCS. Not sure why anyone wants this other than the construction and architecture companies who would get the money. What am I missing?

It has everything to do with ownership of it and the perception that means higher commitment

Our football results have been better than both Houston and Cincy the last 5 years and our attendance greater.

Per Rudd, he believes the final decision in taking two schools that have done nothing better than us for a while is they are in bigger cities and are bigger schools, not that they have on campus stadiums (and the very close proximity to the Liberty Bowl heavily differentiates it from others that play off campus)

I don't think this is fatal. Houston, UCF and Cincy are good schools but not great. We are not losing a Louisville again, let alone a VTech or Florida State. AAC will take a nominal step down (depending on new schools) but we are still in order to be a strong athletic program and have stronger affiliates in the near future.

OK State and Iowa State fans are just going to love a long trip to a ****** stadium in Orlando.