(09-10-2021 01:31 PM)esayem Wrote:  Wait, I thought the AAC was poaching the Big XII’s best and brightest?!?!

Nope. Turns out the SBC and MWC are poaching the AAC. Next domino to fall will be when CUSA raids the Pac-12.

(09-10-2021 01:48 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Since Houston is one of the leaving school, I think Rice is an obvious choice. And then UAB to round out to 10 and stay at 10.

I don't think any 4 school western expansion is going to be more profitable than that.

I'd say the most profitable adds would be Rice, AFA, Army, Liberty. Rice gets you back into Houston, and the other 3 are all national followings. None of the other named candidates in this thread move the needle in the least bit, and most likely actually reduce profitability of the conference due to splitting the pie and not bringing in enough revenue. If anything, perhaps ODU since its already an associate in several sports in a heavily populated and influential region that can be a regional partner for Temple and Navy (and Army & Liberty if they were to join).

Clearly they would choose to be associated with Army and AFA but they can't get either of those schools. Rice is another that would be added for their academic association first. Their football has never been up to par. I don't see how Liberty is more valuable than a CUSA or MWC school. They may have gotten good ratings last year because they upset VT and Cuse and played NCST and an undefeated CCU but that hasn't been proven over any meaningful period of time.

Now if you're saying Liberty has the money and will spend it on players once they can directly.... I can agree with that under the old regime but the current and future commitment to football is up in the air at this point.

(09-10-2021 02:04 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:48 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Since Houston is one of the leaving school, I think Rice is an obvious choice. And then UAB to round out to 10 and stay at 10.

I don't think any 4 school western expansion is going to be more profitable than that.

I'd say the most profitable adds would be Rice, AFA, Army, Liberty. Rice gets you back into Houston, and the other 3 are all national followings. None of the other named candidates in this thread move the needle in the least bit, and most likely actually reduce profitability of the conference due to splitting the pie and not bringing in enough revenue. If anything, perhaps ODU since its already an associate in several sports in a heavily populated and influential region that can be a regional partner for Temple and Navy (and Army & Liberty if they were to join).

Clearly they would choose to be associated with Army and AFA but they can't get either of those schools. Rice is another that would be added for their academic association first. Their football has never been up to par. I don't see how Liberty is more valuable than a CUSA or MWC school. They may have gotten good ratings last year because they upset VT and Cuse and played NCST and an undefeated CCU but that hasn't been proven over any meaningful period of time.

Now if you're saying Liberty has the money and will spend it on players once they can directly.... I can agree with that under the old regime but the current and future commitment to football is up in the air at this point.

Rice not only for academic association, but also because its also attractive for Army and AFA being in Houston as well as its relationship with NASA and huge endowment. Liberty also has a very large endowment and brings a permanent national following much like BYU and ND.

(09-10-2021 01:35 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:47 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:40 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:36 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:33 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  When the Big XII was going to expand in 2016 the same thing would have happened. Its not like Aresco or the other conference mates made them into P5 expansion candidates.

So only the top brands are above and beyond the rest of the G5. The rest are no better than Boise, SD St or Marshall.

Marshall wasn't a top candidate for the AAC last time around so I don't know what has changed.

I doubt Aresco will go the direction of trying to remake CUSA 2.0 as that was a failure.

CUSA 2.0 was a failure? So why did AAC take 7 teams from it?

CUSA 2.0 didn't earn a BCS bowl and didn't prevent itself from a massive raid by the AAC. Expanding with Rice, Marshall and UTEP were duds.

Aresco seems bent on not making the same mistake twice and going C2C while the opportunity presents itself.

No. They needed twelve for a CCG back then and those were the best options. What are you, new?

On another note, Aresco is Sisyphus. The boulder is west coast expansion.

They did need to go to 12. They just didn't need to do it with UTEP, Rice and Marshall. They already had the Houston market and didn't need Rice.

(09-10-2021 02:16 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:04 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:48 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Since Houston is one of the leaving school, I think Rice is an obvious choice. And then UAB to round out to 10 and stay at 10.

I don't think any 4 school western expansion is going to be more profitable than that.

I'd say the most profitable adds would be Rice, AFA, Army, Liberty. Rice gets you back into Houston, and the other 3 are all national followings. None of the other named candidates in this thread move the needle in the least bit, and most likely actually reduce profitability of the conference due to splitting the pie and not bringing in enough revenue. If anything, perhaps ODU since its already an associate in several sports in a heavily populated and influential region that can be a regional partner for Temple and Navy (and Army & Liberty if they were to join).

Clearly they would choose to be associated with Army and AFA but they can't get either of those schools. Rice is another that would be added for their academic association first. Their football has never been up to par. I don't see how Liberty is more valuable than a CUSA or MWC school. They may have gotten good ratings last year because they upset VT and Cuse and played NCST and an undefeated CCU but that hasn't been proven over any meaningful period of time.

Now if you're saying Liberty has the money and will spend it on players once they can directly.... I can agree with that under the old regime but the current and future commitment to football is up in the air at this point.

Rice not only for academic association, but also because its also attractive for Army and AFA being in Houston as well as its relationship with NASA and huge endowment. Liberty also has a very large endowment and brings a permanent national following much like BYU and ND.

Those are still reasons to like Rice that are 'other than' the quality of their Football and Men's basketball programs.

I don't think Liberty brings much of a national following. I'd have to see the ratings on that over multiple years to believe that. They don't have a Virginia following outside of Lynchburg and I have family members who have graduated from there.

I pass through that town multiple times a year for my whole life traveling from Richmond to South West Virginia and they have been expanding that campus non-stop for over 30 years. They've been a constant state of growth. That has changed. What could have been counted on as a strong commitment to football may not be their any more.

Maybe... maybe not... I think I'd take someone that you can count on more.

(09-10-2021 02:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:16 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:04 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:48 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Since Houston is one of the leaving school, I think Rice is an obvious choice. And then UAB to round out to 10 and stay at 10.

I don't think any 4 school western expansion is going to be more profitable than that.

I'd say the most profitable adds would be Rice, AFA, Army, Liberty. Rice gets you back into Houston, and the other 3 are all national followings. None of the other named candidates in this thread move the needle in the least bit, and most likely actually reduce profitability of the conference due to splitting the pie and not bringing in enough revenue. If anything, perhaps ODU since its already an associate in several sports in a heavily populated and influential region that can be a regional partner for Temple and Navy (and Army & Liberty if they were to join).

Clearly they would choose to be associated with Army and AFA but they can't get either of those schools. Rice is another that would be added for their academic association first. Their football has never been up to par. I don't see how Liberty is more valuable than a CUSA or MWC school. They may have gotten good ratings last year because they upset VT and Cuse and played NCST and an undefeated CCU but that hasn't been proven over any meaningful period of time.

Now if you're saying Liberty has the money and will spend it on players once they can directly.... I can agree with that under the old regime but the current and future commitment to football is up in the air at this point.

Rice not only for academic association, but also because its also attractive for Army and AFA being in Houston as well as its relationship with NASA and huge endowment. Liberty also has a very large endowment and brings a permanent national following much like BYU and ND.

Those are still reasons to like Rice that are 'other than' the quality of their Football and Men's basketball programs.

I don't think Liberty brings much of a national following. I'd have to see the ratings on that over multiple years to believe that. They don't have a Virginia following outside of Lynchburg and I have family members who have graduated from there.

I pass through that town multiple times a year for my whole life traveling from Richmond to South West Virginia and they have been expanding that campus non-stop for over 30 years. They've been a constant state of growth. That has changed. What could have been counted on as a strong commitment to football may not be their any more.

Maybe... maybe not... I think I'd take someone that you can count on more.

Who says "commitment to football" more than Hugh friggin Freeze?

(09-10-2021 03:16 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:16 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:04 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:48 PM)AntiG Wrote:  I'd say the most profitable adds would be Rice, AFA, Army, Liberty. Rice gets you back into Houston, and the other 3 are all national followings. None of the other named candidates in this thread move the needle in the least bit, and most likely actually reduce profitability of the conference due to splitting the pie and not bringing in enough revenue. If anything, perhaps ODU since its already an associate in several sports in a heavily populated and influential region that can be a regional partner for Temple and Navy (and Army & Liberty if they were to join).

Clearly they would choose to be associated with Army and AFA but they can't get either of those schools. Rice is another that would be added for their academic association first. Their football has never been up to par. I don't see how Liberty is more valuable than a CUSA or MWC school. They may have gotten good ratings last year because they upset VT and Cuse and played NCST and an undefeated CCU but that hasn't been proven over any meaningful period of time.

Now if you're saying Liberty has the money and will spend it on players once they can directly.... I can agree with that under the old regime but the current and future commitment to football is up in the air at this point.

Rice not only for academic association, but also because its also attractive for Army and AFA being in Houston as well as its relationship with NASA and huge endowment. Liberty also has a very large endowment and brings a permanent national following much like BYU and ND.

Those are still reasons to like Rice that are 'other than' the quality of their Football and Men's basketball programs.

I don't think Liberty brings much of a national following. I'd have to see the ratings on that over multiple years to believe that. They don't have a Virginia following outside of Lynchburg and I have family members who have graduated from there.

I pass through that town multiple times a year for my whole life traveling from Richmond to South West Virginia and they have been expanding that campus non-stop for over 30 years. They've been a constant state of growth. That has changed. What could have been counted on as a strong commitment to football may not be their any more.

Maybe... maybe not... I think I'd take someone that you can count on more.

Who says "commitment to football" more than Hugh friggin Freeze?

That's true but he was hired by the former school president.

The AAC is already full of schools who are almost all completely Dumpster Fires when it comes to athletics:

USF
Tulsa
ECU

And Who Cares programs like:

SMU
Tulane
Temple

So please by all means add more to the fire with:

Rice
FIU
And even Buffalo

(09-10-2021 04:21 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 03:16 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:30 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:16 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 02:04 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Clearly they would choose to be associated with Army and AFA but they can't get either of those schools. Rice is another that would be added for their academic association first. Their football has never been up to par. I don't see how Liberty is more valuable than a CUSA or MWC school. They may have gotten good ratings last year because they upset VT and Cuse and played NCST and an undefeated CCU but that hasn't been proven over any meaningful period of time.

Now if you're saying Liberty has the money and will spend it on players once they can directly.... I can agree with that under the old regime but the current and future commitment to football is up in the air at this point.

Rice not only for academic association, but also because its also attractive for Army and AFA being in Houston as well as its relationship with NASA and huge endowment. Liberty also has a very large endowment and brings a permanent national following much like BYU and ND.

Those are still reasons to like Rice that are 'other than' the quality of their Football and Men's basketball programs.

I don't think Liberty brings much of a national following. I'd have to see the ratings on that over multiple years to believe that. They don't have a Virginia following outside of Lynchburg and I have family members who have graduated from there.

I pass through that town multiple times a year for my whole life traveling from Richmond to South West Virginia and they have been expanding that campus non-stop for over 30 years. They've been a constant state of growth. That has changed. What could have been counted on as a strong commitment to football may not be their any more.

Maybe... maybe not... I think I'd take someone that you can count on more.

Who says "commitment to football" more than Hugh friggin Freeze?

That's true but he was hired by the former school president.

Damn that's true. How do you get the giant, old people signing over their houses, donations and pull out all the stops football spending without the creepy stigma?

(09-10-2021 04:55 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  The AAC is already full of schools who are almost all completely Dumpster Fires when it comes to athletics:

USF
Tulsa
ECU

And Who Cares programs like:

SMU
Tulane
Temple

So please by all means add more to the fire with:

Rice
FIU
And even Buffalo

How is Tulsa a dumpster fire? They played in the AAC championship last season. That puts them above every single other G5 team and half of the Pac-12.

(09-10-2021 04:58 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 04:55 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  The AAC is already full of schools who are almost all completely Dumpster Fires when it comes to athletics:

USF
Tulsa
ECU

And Who Cares programs like:

SMU
Tulane
Temple

So please by all means add more to the fire with:

Rice
FIU
And even Buffalo

How is Tulsa a dumpster fire? They played in the AAC championship last season. That puts them above every single other G5 team and half of the Pac-12.

See their week 1 loss to UC-Davis.

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(09-10-2021 07:57 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  One advantage the AAC has at this point is room in the inn for adding western schools that it didn't have before.

AAC Coast-2-Coast

West: SDSU, UNLV, Boise, Colorado St, Air Force, UNM, Tulsa
East: SMU, Tulane, Memphis, USF, Temple, East Carolina, Navy

This sets up the AAC as the clear #6 and if there is more poaching by the XII enough membership withstand the hit.

If the AAC decides instead to do nothing but get a short term waiver for having 7 FB playing schools and the XII goes in for Memphis/USF at that point they'll have real trouble. Its better to go big now while the AAC still has a chance.

Your reasoning is solid, however, I think the presidents don't want to drop below the $7 million they are getting now, so 12 might be the number that ESPN agrees to. If ESPN is willing to add $14 million more per year for the 2 extra schools, then they should definitely do it.

Location matters folks. Rice,UAB,charlotte,ODU all big markets. Oh,you want to make navy happy,ODU plays 5 miles from the largest naval base in the world. Oh,and these 4 schools have the budget and Charlotte and odu stadiums are expandable. I don't know about rice but the other 3 draw well in basketball, with ODU leading every conference they have ever been in in attendance. Unless AAC goes mwc on us ,this makes sense.

(09-10-2021 02:19 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 01:35 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:47 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:40 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:36 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Marshall wasn't a top candidate for the AAC last time around so I don't know what has changed.

I doubt Aresco will go the direction of trying to remake CUSA 2.0 as that was a failure.

CUSA 2.0 was a failure? So why did AAC take 7 teams from it?

CUSA 2.0 didn't earn a BCS bowl and didn't prevent itself from a massive raid by the AAC. Expanding with Rice, Marshall and UTEP were duds.

Aresco seems bent on not making the same mistake twice and going C2C while the opportunity presents itself.

No. They needed twelve for a CCG back then and those were the best options. What are you, new?

On another note, Aresco is Sisyphus. The boulder is west coast expansion.

They did need to go to 12. They just didn't need to do it with UTEP, Rice and Marshall. They already had the Houston market and didn't need Rice.

Put yourself back in the early 2000’s man!

(09-10-2021 04:55 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  The AAC is already full of schools who are almost all completely Dumpster Fires when it comes to athletics:

USF
Tulsa
ECU

And Who Cares programs like:

SMU
Tulane
Temple

So please by all means add more to the fire with:

Rice
FIU
And even Buffalo

This message board is a dumpster fire. People don’t listen and don’t understand and aren’t willing to understand how it works!

(09-10-2021 01:27 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:57 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:53 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:46 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:33 AM)PicksUp Wrote:  When the Big XII was going to expand in 2016 the same thing would have happened. Its not like Aresco or the other conference mates made them into P5 expansion candidates.

So only the top brands are above and beyond the rest of the G5. The rest are no better than Boise, SD St or Marshall.

The problem with that argument is that the AAC wasn't formed in 2016. So you think the difference between them not being P5 candidates in 2013(they weren't) and being candidates in 2016 had nothing to do with performance of the AAC over its first few years?

Cincinnati had already been in Big East. They probably should have been added with WV. AAC nothing to do with their eventual addition.

Correct - Cincinnati and Houston were P5 type programs BEFORE the AAC. UCF was considered on an upward trended BEFORE the AAC (they did benefit greatly from the AAC).

This doesn't make sense. When P5 conferences were choosing teams to call up, they decided not to call up these "P5" type programs at the time. Hell, all but 3 football teams in the Big East found a home. There were plenty of opportunities to pick up Cincy the last round.

Not really a fair argument. Since the bowl alliance started in 1997 (or whichever year it was) thru today, the total number of power conference teams has changed by exactly 1: temple is no longer in, and Utah and Louisville were added. That’s it! There were a few who were temporarily in between those dates, but currently it’s 65 teams vs 64. The lack of those teams being added doesn’t mean they weren’t worthy. The club just has a stingy Bouncer…