(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

I'd put Navy in there too.

(09-10-2021 08:42 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

I'd put Navy in there too.

Navy is the most important member of the conference. Despite all the bluster of people thinking AAC teams would join the MWC none of them are paying a 10 million plus buyout to go play out west with far less exposure, far more travel costs, and deal with the Boise special deal mess for maybe a tiny TV raise but maybe not anything more. Navy is the one that could actually leave. I very much suspect they'll have the biggest say so on who's added.

(09-10-2021 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:42 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

I'd put Navy in there too.

Navy is the most important member of the conference. Despite all the bluster of people thinking AAC teams would join the MWC none of them are paying a 10 million plus buyout to go play out west with far less exposure, far more travel costs, and deal with the Boise special deal mess for maybe a tiny TV raise but maybe not anything more. Navy is the one that could actually leave. I very much suspect they'll have the biggest say so on who's added.

There was a lot of chatter about Rice and a "Magnolia" division of Rice/SMU/Tulsa/Tulane/Navy

With the Rice addition just not being able to be justified athletically, would Air Force be interested in a division of SMU/Tulsa/Tulane/Navy/Air Force?

To me that would work well for all sports even if substituting Wichita for Navy

(09-10-2021 08:47 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:42 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

I'd put Navy in there too.

Navy is the most important member of the conference. Despite all the bluster of people thinking AAC teams would join the MWC none of them are paying a 10 million plus buyout to go play out west with far less exposure, far more travel costs, and deal with the Boise special deal mess for maybe a tiny TV raise but maybe not anything more. Navy is the one that could actually leave. I very much suspect they'll have the biggest say so on who's added.

Also it would be to play in a conference with a regional name "Mountain West" on it. No AAC school would go for that.

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

(09-10-2021 09:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

Well, if this is the case what is the most important thing for the Navy?
Recruits
https://www.cnrc.navy.mil/pages-nrd/regi...s-map.html
Looks to me that there are TWO major recruiting areas each with (2) centers currently within the footprint without AAC representation: Houston and Atlanta. If I'm Navy Brass I say getting games at Rice and GSU matter.

(09-10-2021 10:12 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

Well, if this is the case what is the most important thing for the Navy?
Recruits
https://www.cnrc.navy.mil/pages-nrd/regi...s-map.html
Looks to me that there are TWO major recruiting areas each with (2) centers currently within the footprint without AAC representation: Houston and Atlanta. If I'm Navy Brass I say getting games at Rice and GSU matter.

Yeah but I guess we're saying that Navy has the scheduling cache to be able to schedule in whatever markets it wants as an independent.

(09-10-2021 09:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

AAC didn't really get hit that hard from Navy's perspective

-They still have USF in Florida.
-SMU is an upper tier G5.
-Temple/ECU are there still regionally for Navy.
-Memphis is a FB/BB leader for the conference.
-Tulane/Tulsa are still in the fold.

The real long term hit is losing Cincinnati and their Top 10 FB team exiting out. Otherwise the conference is still ahead of others in the G5.

The AAC did hold together long enough to get an upgraded ESPN TV deal which will help them attract new members.

(09-10-2021 10:34 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

AAC didn't really get hit that hard from Navy's perspective

-They still have USF in Florida.
-SMU is an upper tier G5.
-Temple/ECU are there still regionally for Navy.
-Memphis is a FB/BB leader for the conference.
-Tulane/Tulsa are still in the fold.

The real long term hit is losing Cincinnati and their Top 10 FB team exiting out. Otherwise the conference is still ahead of others in the G5.

The AAC did hold together long enough to get an upgraded ESPN TV deal which will help them attract new members.

Except for the fact that deal isn't worth the paper it's written on anymore.

(09-10-2021 10:40 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 10:34 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

AAC didn't really get hit that hard from Navy's perspective

-They still have USF in Florida.
-SMU is an upper tier G5.
-Temple/ECU are there still regionally for Navy.
-Memphis is a FB/BB leader for the conference.
-Tulane/Tulsa are still in the fold.

The real long term hit is losing Cincinnati and their Top 10 FB team exiting out. Otherwise the conference is still ahead of others in the G5.

The AAC did hold together long enough to get an upgraded ESPN TV deal which will help them attract new members.

Except for the fact that deal isn't worth the paper it's written on anymore.

Yeah it's probably getting cut like the Big 12's deal is unless we make quality adds. Even if we do, we're still stuck proving ourselves all over again to get the next bump.

(09-09-2021 08:38 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(09-09-2021 08:28 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  The most logical choice (based on geography anyway) for the MWC is UTEP, so it won't happen.

Why would anybody want UTEP?

While the product on the field and court are nothing to be proud of, it’s more than that when it comes to conference realignment. How good are your on campus facilities? Fan support when you win and lose? Academics? Do you actually deliver a market? Endowments?

The Front Range schools would get an automatic ally in UTEP and shift the power balance to the Mountain schools instead of the Pacific ones. I don’t expect UTEP to he invited to the MWC anytime soon but I do expect President Wilson and AD Senter at least reach out to them.

(09-10-2021 10:42 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 10:40 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 10:34 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

AAC didn't really get hit that hard from Navy's perspective

-They still have USF in Florida.
-SMU is an upper tier G5.
-Temple/ECU are there still regionally for Navy.
-Memphis is a FB/BB leader for the conference.
-Tulane/Tulsa are still in the fold.

The real long term hit is losing Cincinnati and their Top 10 FB team exiting out. Otherwise the conference is still ahead of others in the G5.

The AAC did hold together long enough to get an upgraded ESPN TV deal which will help them attract new members.

Except for the fact that deal isn't worth the paper it's written on anymore.

Yeah it's probably getting cut like the Big 12's deal is unless we make quality adds. Even if we do, we're still stuck proving ourselves all over again to get the next bump.

I'm not sure if that AAC deal will be cut and don't forget it includes a lot of Saturday football games including ABC.

Aresco will revisit the top targets Boise/AFA/Army to see if he can make a deal happen there and may have a shot.

If I am MWC, I would go after Gonzaga, Wichita St, Memphis and SMU.

(09-10-2021 10:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  If I am MWC, I would go after Gonzaga, Wichita St, Memphis and SMU.

Might as well go after Baylor and Kansas while they are punching up.

(09-10-2021 10:54 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  If I am MWC, I would go after Gonzaga, Wichita St, Memphis and SMU.

That is pretty funny. With the 3 AAC departures paying $17 million a piece that is $51 million the remaining 8 members of the AAC (6 million+ per school) they get to share by staying in the AAC.

Gonzaga also won't move right now since they have a stockpile of basketball credits in the WCC.

(09-10-2021 10:12 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 09:03 AM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:40 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  SMU Memphis USF are the core of the conference and run the show. Why would they leave unless for the Big 12?

There isn’t a subset of schools that run the conference. Navy was influential when the AAC was formed presumably they will be again this time.

Navy is the only school that actually has a real option to leave that makes financial sense. You pretty much gotta do whatever they want to keep them in the fold. Not really sure what it is that they want.

Well, if this is the case what is the most important thing for the Navy?
Recruits
https://www.cnrc.navy.mil/pages-nrd/regi...s-map.html
Looks to me that there are TWO major recruiting areas each with (2) centers currently within the footprint without AAC representation: Houston and Atlanta. If I'm Navy Brass I say getting games at Rice and GSU matter.

I can see Navy making advances on the ACC before shipping out West

(09-10-2021 11:30 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I can see Navy making advances on the ACC before shipping out West

That won't happen unless ND wills it.

(09-10-2021 11:39 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:30 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I can see Navy making advances on the ACC before shipping out West

That won't happen unless ND wills it.

Probably better odds that happens than West Virginia getting into the ACC right now.

(09-10-2021 11:43 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:39 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 11:30 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  I can see Navy making advances on the ACC before shipping out West

That won't happen unless ND wills it.

Probably better odds that happens than West Virginia getting into the ACC right now.

Indeed.