(09-08-2021 01:04 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  The real money (Big Money) will continue to be thrown at the P5 Programs/Conferences, while the rest of us scramble for scraps and left overs. Really don’t see that trend ending anytime soon, with the reality being further separation between the haves and the rest of us.

That being the case, then a realignment along regional lines makes economic sense for G5 programs. What form that realignment takes is a whole nother argument. But I could live with the proposal as laid out in that article . . . .. Though as the writer points out, it’s doubtful it’ll happen, as realignment rarely is based on what makes sense.

That may be. but with the imminent playoff expansion, the G5 are going to want to be in the strongest position possible. You're likely going to have at least 1 G5 team vying for a playoff spot every year once the expansion happens. So if an App State, Coastal, Cincy, or whoever makes that 1 G5 spot, even if they get trounced by Alabama, it's still going to be many millions of dollars for both that school and the conference.

What does any of that have to do with a more regional realignment for G5 programs, and it seems that overall and for far more programs, more money would be saved (from that realignment) than what 1 G5 might make from a “playoff spot” which to date no G5 has made or been invited to.

And if you think that the Big Boys are doing all this for the “betterment” of The G5, then you’re probably smoking something illicit.

(09-08-2021 01:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:04 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  The real money (Big Money) will continue to be thrown at the P5 Programs/Conferences, while the rest of us scramble for scraps and left overs. Really don’t see that trend ending anytime soon, with the reality being further separation between the haves and the rest of us.

That being the case, then a realignment along regional lines makes economic sense for G5 programs. What form that realignment takes is a whole nother argument. But I could live with the proposal as laid out in that article . . . .. Though as the writer points out, it’s doubtful it’ll happen, as realignment rarely is based on what makes sense.

That may be. but with the imminent playoff expansion, the G5 are going to want to be in the strongest position possible. You're likely going to have at least 1 G5 team vying for a playoff spot every year once the expansion happens. So if an App State, Coastal, Cincy, or whoever makes that 1 G5 spot, even if they get trounced by Alabama, it's still going to be many millions of dollars for both that school and the conference.

What does any of that have to do with a more regional realignment for G5 programs, and it seems that overall and for far more programs, more money would be saved (from that realignment) than what 1 G5 might make from a “playoff spot” which to date no G5 has made or been invited to.

And if you think that the Big Boys are doing all this for the “betterment” of The G5, then you’re probably smoking something illicit.

Making the playoffs (a BCS bowl) would pay for that team’s travel for multiple years. A BCS bowl is worth x millions of dollars plus x millions in free advertising (which brings in x number of new students per dollar of advertising spent). The exact number in revenue + advertising for the Baseball National Chmapionship in 2016 was told to me. Can’t remember the exact number, but it was MANY millions. So what I’m saying is that a lot of teams will be positioning themselves for the strongest chance of making the playoffs vs geography. I can assure you that neither Coastal nor App State could care less about being in a conference with Charlotte just because they’re “regionally close”. They both much rather be in a conference with Liberty or Louisiana because they strengthen the schedule and therefore the chance of making a playoff spot if they have a good year.

G5 = FCS = future

There should be lawyers and politicians fighting this restructure.

The SEC P5 and ESPN are demoting us because of negotiations from 40 years ago..... App State and many G5 are, and have been, better than half of P5 in top 100

This restructure is bull**** and is putting our future in peril financially

(09-08-2021 01:23 PM)PhillyApp1 Wrote:  G5 = FCS = future

There should be lawyers and politicians fighting this restructure.

The SEC P5 and ESPN are demoting us because of negotiations from 40 years ago..... App State and many G5 are, and have been, better than half of P5 in top 100

This restructure is bull**** and is putting our future in peril financially

I don’t really feel that way. I think those western schools like Montana and the Dakotas have a firm grip on FCS. I think if anything, with the playoff expansion, they’ll *probably* have 1 G5 school make the playoffs and maybe they’ll either add a G5 BCS bowl like a “g5 championship” or either get a couple G5 teams into other BCS bowls

Y’all do realize the BCS ended 15 years ago, right???

(09-08-2021 01:52 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Y’all do realize the BCS ended 15 years ago, right???

Are you being purposely obtuse? You know what we’re talking about ie BCS bowls….high payout prestigious bowl games.

(09-08-2021 10:19 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Is 16 the new craze because that is what the SEC expanded to? Is everyone forgetting why the WAC-16 failed?

1. I can't see the AAC 7 choosing to wave the white flag on admitting they aren't P6 but they should.
2. I bet UAB would rather be in the Southeast league vs the Southwest league
3. Tulane, Tulsa, Rice, and SMU sharing conferences with ULM and Troy? They'd probably rather drop football because of their academic prestige.
4. Could you really convince LA Tech to share a conference, much less a division with ULM?
5. Would USF and ECU want to share their conference with 2 other G5's in their own state?
6. Why have unbalanced divisions in the Midwest league?

Does it makes sense from a neutral's perspective in the sense these leagues becomes nice and tight in regards to geography? For the most part, yeah.

ECU AD Terry Holland wanted App State in C-USA with ECU. Part of the reason he may have been relieved for Compher may have been because their BoT didn't like this, if I had to guess. But I think it would be a net gain to ECU and App to be in the same conference in terms of fan interest, money, and ironically recruiting.

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I'm not feeling the P5 extending a hand to the AAC. If it does turn out that way there are going to be a lot of bruised egos when all this goes down.

The Big 12 has a slightly better chance of their being a P5 vs a P4. Zero chance the AAC is sitting at the big table anymore.

(09-08-2021 02:14 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I'm not feeling the P5 extending a hand to the AAC. If it does turn out that way there are going to be a lot of bruised egos when all this goes down.

The Big 12 has a slightly better chance of their being a P5 vs a P4. Zero chance the AAC is sitting at the big table anymore.

Rather than the P5 plucking G5 schools, I could see the ACC adding West Virginia and Ok State. Then, the best of the rest… Kansas State, Kansas, and maybe Iowa State joining the “most prestigious “ G5 conference. I can’t imagine WV and Ok State NOT being in a P5 and the Big 12 is done as far as I see it. If you had a mega G5 conference with Iowa State, Kansas, K State, App State, Coastal, Liberty, Louisiana, maybe ECU and Marshall, that would be a helluva conference. Definitely not SEC, but still too good to not get some some good postseason paydays.

(09-08-2021 01:04 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  The real money (Big Money) will continue to be thrown at the P5 Programs/Conferences, while the rest of us scramble for scraps and left overs. Really don’t see that trend ending anytime soon, with the reality being further separation between the haves and the rest of us.

That being the case, then a realignment along regional lines makes economic sense for G5 programs. What form that realignment takes is a whole nother argument. But I could live with the proposal as laid out in that article . . . .. Though as the writer points out, it’s doubtful it’ll happen, as realignment rarely is based on what makes sense.

That may be. but with the imminent playoff expansion, the G5 are going to want to be in the strongest position possible. You're likely going to have at least 1 G5 team vying for a playoff spot every year once the expansion happens. So if an App State, Coastal, Cincy, or whoever makes that 1 G5 spot, even if they get trounced by Alabama, it's still going to be many millions of dollars for both that school and the conference. So I think they're going to be concerned with making the smartest economic decisions to strengthen their positions, not just based soley on geography.

I'm betting the farm we never see a playoff that includes a G5 team. Once the P5 separates the CFP will become their exclusive playground. Prepare yourselves for a G5 Playoff.

(09-08-2021 02:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:04 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  The real money (Big Money) will continue to be thrown at the P5 Programs/Conferences, while the rest of us scramble for scraps and left overs. Really don’t see that trend ending anytime soon, with the reality being further separation between the haves and the rest of us.

That being the case, then a realignment along regional lines makes economic sense for G5 programs. What form that realignment takes is a whole nother argument. But I could live with the proposal as laid out in that article . . . .. Though as the writer points out, it’s doubtful it’ll happen, as realignment rarely is based on what makes sense.

That may be. but with the imminent playoff expansion, the G5 are going to want to be in the strongest position possible. You're likely going to have at least 1 G5 team vying for a playoff spot every year once the expansion happens. So if an App State, Coastal, Cincy, or whoever makes that 1 G5 spot, even if they get trounced by Alabama, it's still going to be many millions of dollars for both that school and the conference. So I think they're going to be concerned with making the smartest economic decisions to strengthen their positions, not just based soley on geography.

I'm betting the farm we never see a playoff that includes a G5 team. Once the P5 separates the CFP will become their exclusive playground. Prepare yourselves for a G5 Playoff.

I’d honestly RATHER see a G5 playoff. But barring that, there’s no way to not have a G5 playoff team once they expand. Cincy and UCF have already been on the cusp.

(09-08-2021 02:14 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I'm not feeling the P5 extending a hand to the AAC. If it does turn out that way there are going to be a lot of bruised egos when all this goes down.

The Big 12 has a slightly better chance of their being a P5 vs a P4. Zero chance the AAC is sitting at the big table anymore.

(09-08-2021 02:33 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 02:14 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I'm not feeling the P5 extending a hand to the AAC. If it does turn out that way there are going to be a lot of bruised egos when all this goes down.

The Big 12 has a slightly better chance of their being a P5 vs a P4. Zero chance the AAC is sitting at the big table anymore.

Rather than the P5 plucking G5 schools, I could see the ACC adding West Virginia and Ok State. Then, the best of the rest… Kansas State, Kansas, and maybe Iowa State joining the “most prestigious “ G5 conference. I can’t imagine WV and Ok State NOT being in a P5 and the Big 12 is done as far as I see it. If you had a mega G5 conference with Iowa State, Kansas, K State, App State, Coastal, Liberty, Loserana, maybe ECU and Marshall, that would be a helluva conference. Definitely not SEC, but still too good to not get some some good postseason paydays.

The AAC is toast. Without Houston, Cincinnati and UCF they are relegated to G5 status.

(09-08-2021 02:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:04 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  The real money (Big Money) will continue to be thrown at the P5 Programs/Conferences, while the rest of us scramble for scraps and left overs. Really don’t see that trend ending anytime soon, with the reality being further separation between the haves and the rest of us.

That being the case, then a realignment along regional lines makes economic sense for G5 programs. What form that realignment takes is a whole nother argument. But I could live with the proposal as laid out in that article . . . .. Though as the writer points out, it’s doubtful it’ll happen, as realignment rarely is based on what makes sense.

That may be. but with the imminent playoff expansion, the G5 are going to want to be in the strongest position possible. You're likely going to have at least 1 G5 team vying for a playoff spot every year once the expansion happens. So if an App State, Coastal, Cincy, or whoever makes that 1 G5 spot, even if they get trounced by Alabama, it's still going to be many millions of dollars for both that school and the conference. So I think they're going to be concerned with making the smartest economic decisions to strengthen their positions, not just based soley on geography.

I'm betting the farm we never see a playoff that includes a G5 team. Once the P5 separates the CFP will become their exclusive playground. Prepare yourselves for a G5 Playoff.

Agreed, they're forming a P4 and more than likely they are going to leave the NCAA. Once that happens they can do whatever they want.

(09-08-2021 10:59 AM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 10:19 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 10:01 AM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/alabama-aside-c...04848.html

Notable tidbits from it:

"But there’s an increasing buzz among athletic directors throughout the Group of Five that the next wave of realignment should focus on common sense instead of more poaching. By chasing TV dollars, many schools have alienated fans through non-sensible league affiliation with teams that fans don’t care about..."

"We really should hit pause before we start poaching each other’s teams and explore what this would look like if we started over today,” said an athletic director in the Group of Five. “TV has made it obvious they’re only paying for the big brands moving forward. If there’s a way to cut our travel costs by millions, let our student-athletes spend more time in class and sell more tickets because fans actually know the teams, know alums from the universities and can travel to games, we should at least spend a few weeks to discuss the thought that maybe there’s a better solution.”

This is what a new Group of Five could look like:

West Coast League (14)

Division 1
Hawaii
Fresno State
Nevada
UNLV
San Diego State
San Jose State
Utah State

Division 2
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
New Mexico
Wyoming
UTEP
New Mexico State

Southwest League (16)

Division 1
Tulsa
SMU
North Texas
UTSA
Texas State
Rice
Arkansas State
Memphis

Division 2

Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Tulane
UAB
Southern Miss
Troy
South Alabama

Southeast League (14)

Division I

FAU
FIU
USF
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
Liberty

Division 2
Coastal Carolina
Charlotte
East Carolina
Appalachian State
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion

Midwest League (15)

Division 1
Miami (Ohio)
Ball State
Bowling Green
Eastern Michigan
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Northern Illinois
Ohio

Division 2

Toledo
Akron
Kent State
Temple
UConn
UMass
Buffalo

Independent (or flexible) 2

Navy
Army

The Southeast Divisions just don't quite line up correctly. Liberty and Coastal should be flipped to make for better geography.

Southeast League (14)

Division I (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Tennessee)

FAU
FIU
USF
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Middle Tennessee
Liberty Replace with Coastal

Division 2 (North Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia and Virginia)

Coastal Carolina Replace with Liberty
Charlotte
East Carolina
Appalachian State
Marshall
Western Kentucky
Old Dominion

(09-08-2021 10:23 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Honestly, as long as you retain FBS status and a chance at the playoff, this makes sense. Most, if not all, of the public programs in the list utilize tax dollars and student fees to run their athletic departments to some extent. Shuttling your teams outside of football across the country to play teams that are no better than the ones in your region is financially irresponsible. You are not gaining anything by being in a far flung league.

You realize Coastal is in SOUTH Carolina and is closer geographically to NC, Georgia, and Florida than to Virginia and Kentucky right?

As far as the rumor mill, I’m hearing that if AAC goes to 7 teams, they’ll push for App, Coastal, Loserana, Liberty, and one more, either Troy or Ga Southern. No clue on the validity of that rumor.

Yes and you realize that Liberty is in Virginia right and no where close to Georgia and Florida which is the division the writer put them in. That's why I said they belong in a North Carolina/West Virginia based division and Coastal (SC) fits in the division with Georgia and Florida teams. Is it that hard to read?

(09-08-2021 02:42 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 02:40 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 01:04 PM)Dirty Myrtle Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 12:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  The real money (Big Money) will continue to be thrown at the P5 Programs/Conferences, while the rest of us scramble for scraps and left overs. Really don’t see that trend ending anytime soon, with the reality being further separation between the haves and the rest of us.

That being the case, then a realignment along regional lines makes economic sense for G5 programs. What form that realignment takes is a whole nother argument. But I could live with the proposal as laid out in that article . . . .. Though as the writer points out, it’s doubtful it’ll happen, as realignment rarely is based on what makes sense.

That may be. but with the imminent playoff expansion, the G5 are going to want to be in the strongest position possible. You're likely going to have at least 1 G5 team vying for a playoff spot every year once the expansion happens. So if an App State, Coastal, Cincy, or whoever makes that 1 G5 spot, even if they get trounced by Alabama, it's still going to be many millions of dollars for both that school and the conference. So I think they're going to be concerned with making the smartest economic decisions to strengthen their positions, not just based soley on geography.

I'm betting the farm we never see a playoff that includes a G5 team. Once the P5 separates the CFP will become their exclusive playground. Prepare yourselves for a G5 Playoff.

I’d honestly RATHER see a G5 playoff. But barring that, there’s no way to not have a G5 playoff team once they expand. Cincy and UCF have already been on the cusp.

You are missing the point. Once this separation is complete the CFP will be expanded, but it won't be more than 8 teams and it won't include anyone from the G5. On top of that you will see the CFP money being gifted to the G5 go away.

All you guys are nuts! LOL!