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The Swoon Is Over: Europe Breaks up With Biden* Over Afghanistan Betrayal
Quote:Welp, that was a short marriage. Mere months after glowingly calling the new love of their life “a return to adulthood,” no-longer-swooning European leaders have kicked the inept “cheater” — beleaguered Joe Biden — to the curb, correctly labeling his haphazard, unilateral, disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, “cowardice,” “the greatest debacle that NATO has experienced since its foundation,” and worse.



At the NATO summit in 2017, French President Emanuel Macron dug his fingertips into then-President Donald Trump’s hand, as reported by the BBC, staring him in the face. Macron would later say: “It wasn’t innocent. In my bilateral dialogues, I won’t let anything pass.”



Four years later, at the recent G7 summit in Cornwall, Macron again grasped the moment. As cameras snapped, the French president walked across the beach with his arm around the new American president, Joe Biden. The body language shift was clear, said the BBC: “the two sides arm-in-arm once again.”



That was then, this is now.

In capitals across Europe, from London to Berlin, the far-reaching disaster in Afghanistan — solely the fault of Biden, regardless of his pathetic attempts at “advanced rationalization” — poisoned the sweetness of the Biden-Europe honeymoon. Again, it’s not that the withdrawal itself has rankled the Europeans; it was the complete lack of coordination or even a heads-up of what was happening when it began — particularly, as noted by the BBC, since at the time of drawdown of U.S. troops, three-quarters of total troops in Afghanistan were non-American, leading to an international scramble to evacuate.

But, hey — as Joe told us, he has no regrets.

Not only has our hapless president not second-guessed any decisions he made; he would make those decisions all over again and do the whole disastrous thing exactly the same way. Now that’s courageous leadership delusional stubbornness for the sake of political expediency.

While I’m hardly the president of the “We Love Europe!” fan club, a bit of perspective is necessary, here. The German deployment in Afghanistan was its first major combat mission since World War II, reported the BBC, so the frustration at how it ended runs deep. Armin Laschet, Germany’s conservative candidate for chancellor ahead of elections later this month, called the US withdrawal “the greatest debacle that Nato has experienced since its foundation”.

Czech President Milos Zeman upped the ante, labeling Biden’s debacle “cowardice,” and adding: “The Americans have lost the prestige of a global leader.”

Carl Bildt, Sweden’s former Prime Minister, told the BBC that European expectations of Biden proved to be too high.

Expectations were very high when Joe Biden came in — probably too high, they were unrealistic. His ‘America is back’ suggested a golden age in our relations.

But it didn’t happen and there’s been a shift in a fairly short period of time. The complete lack of consultations over the withdrawal has left a scar.

Without actually saying IT, Nathalie Loiseau, France’s Europe Minister until 2019, pretty much told the BBC that Europe is now going through Trump withdrawals.

Many EU countries were in a state of denial. They thought they should wait until Trump was gone and we’d go back to the ‘old normal’. But that ‘old normal’ isn’t alive anymore. I hope it’s a wake-up call for us.

Let’s be honest. A large part of each of us has to love that regret and buyer’s remorse of generally smug European leaders, right? Oh hell yeah, we do.



So what’s was Europe’s beef with Trump?

Nathalie Tocci, an adviser to the EU’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, and a visiting professor at Harvard, told the BBC that Europe’s problem with Donald Trump was less about his foreign policy and more about “America First” and how he “seemed to get on” Russia’s Vladimir Putin and China’s Xi Jinping.

The main rift under Trump had less to do with specific foreign policy decisions and more that we didn’t share the same values all of a sudden.

The real trauma of Trumpism was not only ‘America First’ but that he seemed to get on more with the Xis and Putins. That we’re on the same side hasn’t been questioned with Afghanistan.

What has changed is the growing preoccupation in Europe that as the US withdraws from the world, it may be very committed to protecting values in America — but what about elsewhere?

Loiseau, the former French minister, said European leaders are now concerned about their own security.

[C]ountries, such as the UK and Germany always thought they could rely mostly on the US for security. So of course they’re fearing times have changed. But we’ve often said we should rethink how NATO works. We should not remain in a state of denial.

Europeans even teeing off on Biden over COVID vaccinations.

European Commission Vice President Margaritis Schinas told the BBC he canceled his planned trip to the U.S. next [this] week “because I do not find the lack of reciprocity on travel rules fair.” The EU has now removed the U.S. from its travel “safe list” — seen by many as an illustration of growing tensions.

“There was a time when the US talked about upholding the global order,” Sweden’s Bildt told the BBC.

But that is not the language now coming out of the White House. Expectations for a revival of the transatlantic relationship have been deflated. And one is resigned to an America that does it its own way.

I’m confused. Didn’t Joe tell us he had not only heard zero complaints from European leaders but also that several had actually called to tell him they supported his actions?



Wait — you don’t think Joe was… dare I say… lying, do you? Why I never.

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I seriously doubt that Europe ever liked Biden. They simply knew like Americans knew that he was the lesser of two evils.
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He’s Jimmy Carter II—except Carter was at least mentally competent. Biden is already a disaster—-and we are just 8 months in. You can’t put a near vegetable in the Oval Office and think everything we be ok. This is what happens when the press completely and utterly fails in its solemn duty to vet presidential candidates in a reasonable and unbiased manner.
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I guess the pedophile isn't the great uniter everyone claimed him to be. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.
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Republicans Call For Impeachment Of Whoever Is Telling Biden What To Do

Quote:WASHINGTON, D.C.—Several prominent Republicans came forward this week to call for the impeachment or resignation of whoever on earth is telling Biden what to do every day.

"I think it's clear at this point that the person controlling Biden —and telling him what to do and say every moment—is completely incompetent," said Republican Representative Bob McCobb. "We're not really sure who that is, but they need to be impeached immediately. They suck."

Americans increasingly agree with this sentiment, as recent polls revealed record-low approval ratings for whoever that person is who is pulling the strings of the barely sentient President Biden every day.

"Seriously, can he find a person who can put better words in his mouth and tell him better decisions to make?" said one Ohio voter who agreed to be interviewed.

Biden responded to the attacks, saying "The notion that someone is controlling me and telling me what to say and what to do and chewing my food and changing my diapers is absolutely ridiculous. But that's all I'm allowed to say right now."
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Biden* was an unmitigated disaster as a Senator in the D.C. Swamp.

As the "selected" POTUS, this dumb SOB is a danger to the world and particularly the USA.
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(09-09-2021 10:12 AM)Danforth Wrote:  I seriously doubt that Europe ever liked Biden. They simply knew like Americans knew that he was the lesser of two evils.

After 8 months they know now he wasn’t the lesser of two evils
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Even many hard core Democrats are starting to know this.
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"Biden responded to the attacks, saying "The notion that someone is controlling me and telling me what to say and what to do and chewing my food and changing my diapers is absolutely ridiculous. But that's all I'm allowed to say right now."

What a freaking idiot. First he tries to tell us that there's no one pulling the strings and then in his last sentence he tells us that thats all they "have allowed to say"!

Bwahahahahaha, what a complete contradiction from "the leader, Herr Biden". LOL
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And the dementia-riddled jack@ss openly acknowledged he wears diapers.
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(09-09-2021 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  He’s Jimmy Carter II—except Carter was at least mentally competent. Biden is already a disaster—-and we are just 8 months in. You can’t put a near vegetable in the Oval Office and think everything we be ok. This is what happens when the press completely and utterly fails in its solemn duty to vet presidential candidates in a reasonable and unbiased manner.

We got Jimmy Carter because Nixon came before him.

We got Biden because Trump came before him.

History repeats itself.
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(09-13-2021 12:23 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  He’s Jimmy Carter II—except Carter was at least mentally competent. Biden is already a disaster—-and we are just 8 months in. You can’t put a near vegetable in the Oval Office and think everything we be ok. This is what happens when the press completely and utterly fails in its solemn duty to vet presidential candidates in a reasonable and unbiased manner.
We got Jimmy Carter because Nixon came before him.
We got Biden because Trump came before him.
History repeats itself.

And we got Ronald Reagan because of Jimmy Carter. Here's hoping that chapter of history repeats itself too. If it's not too late.
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(09-13-2021 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:23 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  He’s Jimmy Carter II—except Carter was at least mentally competent. Biden is already a disaster—-and we are just 8 months in. You can’t put a near vegetable in the Oval Office and think everything we be ok. This is what happens when the press completely and utterly fails in its solemn duty to vet presidential candidates in a reasonable and unbiased manner.
We got Jimmy Carter because Nixon came before him.
We got Biden because Trump came before him.
History repeats itself.

And we got Ronald Reagan because of Jimmy Carter. Here's hoping that chapter of history repeats itself too. If it's not too late.

Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's republican standards.

I would vote for Ronald Reagan if he ran today however but you and I both know he wouldn't even win the nomination with today's far right.
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(09-14-2021 11:53 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:23 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  He’s Jimmy Carter II—except Carter was at least mentally competent. Biden is already a disaster—-and we are just 8 months in. You can’t put a near vegetable in the Oval Office and think everything we be ok. This is what happens when the press completely and utterly fails in its solemn duty to vet presidential candidates in a reasonable and unbiased manner.
We got Jimmy Carter because Nixon came before him.
We got Biden because Trump came before him.
History repeats itself.

And we got Ronald Reagan because of Jimmy Carter. Here's hoping that chapter of history repeats itself too. If it's not too late.

Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's republican standards.

I would vote for Ronald Reagan if he ran today however but you and I both know he wouldn't even win the nomination with today's far right.

This is a patently ridiculous statement and you know it. The right hasn't changed it's position on issues since the 80's except perhaps favoring protectionism over globalization.
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(09-14-2021 12:13 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:53 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-13-2021 12:23 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  He’s Jimmy Carter II—except Carter was at least mentally competent. Biden is already a disaster—-and we are just 8 months in. You can’t put a near vegetable in the Oval Office and think everything we be ok. This is what happens when the press completely and utterly fails in its solemn duty to vet presidential candidates in a reasonable and unbiased manner.
We got Jimmy Carter because Nixon came before him.
We got Biden because Trump came before him.
History repeats itself.

And we got Ronald Reagan because of Jimmy Carter. Here's hoping that chapter of history repeats itself too. If it's not too late.

Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's republican standards.

I would vote for Ronald Reagan if he ran today however but you and I both know he wouldn't even win the nomination with today's far right.

This is a patently ridiculous statement and you know it. The right hasn't changed it's position on issues since the 80's except perhaps favoring protectionism over globalization.

If anything the Republican party has shifted left. For example, a majority of Republicans today support gay marriage, and close to half support marijuana legalization. The Republican party only appears to have shifted right because the Democrat party has shifted so far left. JFK would be a far right Republican today.
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(09-13-2021 12:23 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-09-2021 10:39 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  He’s Jimmy Carter II—except Carter was at least mentally competent. Biden is already a disaster—-and we are just 8 months in. You can’t put a near vegetable in the Oval Office and think everything we be ok. This is what happens when the press completely and utterly fails in its solemn duty to vet presidential candidates in a reasonable and unbiased manner.

We got Jimmy Carter because Nixon came before him.

We got Biden because Trump came before him.

History repeats itself.

You're right and both Carter and The SOB were and is terrible. Just goes to show Americans don't learn because they're stooooopppppiiiiittttt.
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(09-14-2021 11:53 AM)Danforth Wrote:  Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's republican standards.

How so? What issue positions did he take that would make him a leftist by today's republican standards?

Quote:I would vote for Ronald Reagan if he ran today however but you and I both know he wouldn't even win the nomination with today's far right.

What would keep him from doing so?
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(09-14-2021 03:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:53 AM)Danforth Wrote:  Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's republican standards.

How so? What issue positions did he take that would make him a leftist by today's republican standards?

Quote:I would vote for Ronald Reagan if he ran today however but you and I both know he wouldn't even win the nomination with today's far right.

What would keep him from doing so?


1. Amnesty for illegals

2. Raising taxes
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(09-15-2021 12:41 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 03:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:53 AM)Danforth Wrote:  Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's republican standards.
How so? What issue positions did he take that would make him a leftist by today's republican standards?
Quote:I would vote for Ronald Reagan if he ran today however but you and I both know he wouldn't even win the nomination with today's far right.
What would keep him from doing so?
1. Amnesty for illegals
2. Raising taxes

1. Reagan did not give amnesty to illegals of his own volition. It was part of a compromise with the democrats who controlled congress, pursuant to which they would enact comprehensive immigration reform. Only problem is that democrats reneged on their end of the deal.
2. Raising taxes? Really? Top marginal income tax rates went from 70% to 28%. Kindly explain how that is raising taxes. A decade later, after seeing how well it worked, almost all of Europe did the same, or went further in some cases.
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(09-15-2021 06:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 12:41 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 03:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 11:53 AM)Danforth Wrote:  Ronald Reagan would be considered a liberal by today's republican standards.
How so? What issue positions did he take that would make him a leftist by today's republican standards?
Quote:I would vote for Ronald Reagan if he ran today however but you and I both know he wouldn't even win the nomination with today's far right.
What would keep him from doing so?
1. Amnesty for illegals
2. Raising taxes

1. Reagan did not give amnesty to illegals of his own volition. It was part of a compromise with the democrats who controlled congress, pursuant to which they would enact comprehensive immigration reform. Only problem is that democrats reneged on their end of the deal.
2. Raising taxes? Really? Top marginal income tax rates went from 70% to 28%. Kindly explain how that is raising taxes. A decade later, after seeing how well it worked, almost all of Europe did the same, or went further in some cases.

We all know that amnesty came from a compromise with the democrats. In fact, compromising with the democrats alone would disqualify him from the republican nomination. Thank you for making my point for me.


As far as raising taxes is concerned....

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articl...-1982-1993
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