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Never too early to start this thread I guess.

Randy Edsall of UConn announced yesterday he was going to retire at the end of the season. But the school and he just announced that the 63-year-old coach was retiring effective immediately.
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(09-06-2021 06:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Never too early to start this thread I guess.
Randy Edsall of UConn announced yesterday he was going to retire at the end of the season. But the school and he just announced that the 63-year-old coach was retiring effective immediately.

Edsall had a really good run at Connecticut, then left to take the HC job at Maryland. He never got it going there, came back to Connecticut, and has had little or no success the second time around. He probably should have stayed at Connecticut.
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(09-06-2021 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Never too early to start this thread I guess.
Randy Edsall of UConn announced yesterday he was going to retire at the end of the season. But the school and he just announced that the 63-year-old coach was retiring effective immediately.

Edsall had a really good run at Connecticut, then left to take the HC job at Maryland. He never got it going there, came back to Connecticut, and has had little or no success the second time around. He probably should have stayed at Connecticut.

Well, that’s hindsight. A UConn head coach getting a P5 offer has won the lottery. Unimaginable he would turn the offer down.
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(09-06-2021 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Never too early to start this thread I guess.
Randy Edsall of UConn announced yesterday he was going to retire at the end of the season. But the school and he just announced that the 63-year-old coach was retiring effective immediately.
Edsall had a really good run at Connecticut, then left to take the HC job at Maryland. He never got it going there, came back to Connecticut, and has had little or no success the second time around. He probably should have stayed at Connecticut.
Well, that’s hindsight. A UConn head coach getting a P5 offer has won the lottery. Unimaginable he would turn the offer down.

True, although I will say that I expressed the opinion that he was making a mistake at the time. Kind of like what some coaches have learned when they left Rice for greener pastures.
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(09-06-2021 08:07 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:31 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:26 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Never too early to start this thread I guess.
Randy Edsall of UConn announced yesterday he was going to retire at the end of the season. But the school and he just announced that the 63-year-old coach was retiring effective immediately.

Edsall had a really good run at Connecticut, then left to take the HC job at Maryland. He never got it going there, came back to Connecticut, and has had little or no success the second time around. He probably should have stayed at Connecticut.

Well, that’s hindsight. A UConn head coach getting a P5 offer has won the lottery. Unimaginable he would turn the offer down.


Maryland was a step up, but they were not P5 at the time.

In 2011, it was an AQ coach taking a job at another AQ school.
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(09-06-2021 11:38 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Maryland was a step up, but they were not P5 at the time.

In 2011, it was an AQ coach taking a job at another AQ school.

All ACC schools at the time he took the job were P5. Their move from the ACC to the B1G was simply a lateral move (P5 ---> P5).
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USC fired Clay Helton.
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And Ivin Jasper, the long-time Navy OC who was fired after a slow start of 10 total points through two games and only 68 total yards vs. Air Force, was re-hired by Navy today as QB coach. Word is that the Navy AD went around Niumatalolo and fired Jasper personally, and then Niumatalolo threatened to quit if Ivin wasn't reinstated. A position coaching role was the compromise.

E: Not sure how I got his name backwards. Thanks, Owl #s.
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(09-13-2021 07:19 PM)franklyconfused Wrote:  And Jasper Ivin, the long-time Navy OC who was fired after a slow start of 10 total points through two games and only 68 total yards vs. Air Force, was re-hired by Navy today as QB coach. Word is that the Navy AD went around Niumatalolo and fired Ivin personally, and then Niumatalolo threatened to quit if Ivin wasn't reinstated. A position coaching role was the compromise.

Ivin Jasper, not Jasper Ivin.

That firing struck me as particularly tough because Jasper has a son with significant health problems, and as long as he is on the staff at Annapolis, his son can use Walter Reed. Losing that access could be a significant problem for the Jasper family.
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Too bad we don't have that robust Navy option offense.

34 rushes for 36 yards

Passing: 3/10 for 32 yards
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(09-14-2021 01:46 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Too bad we don't have that robust Navy option offense.
34 rushes for 36 yards
Passing: 3/10 for 32 yards

And again, you are cherry-picking. So I'll cherry pick some counter points.

Army, with the same offense or an even more conservative version, has scored 38 and 43 in two games and is averaging 390 yards of total offense (299 rushing) per game.
And Air Force, who held Navy to those numbers and also runs a similar offense, has scored 35 and 23 in two games and is averaging 320 yards of total offense (290 rushing) per game.

Clearly, not quite the same level of opposition for either Army or Air Force, but still impressive numbers.

Bottom line, I think we would be thrilled to have had Army's (43-21, 4 bowls, 3 bowl wins), Navy's (33-30, 2 division champions, 3 bowls, 2 bowl wins), or Air Force's (33-22, 2 bowls, 2 bowl wins) results over the last 5 years. And note that Troy Calhoun came to Air Force from the NFL, where he was obviously involved in a very different offensive approach, but has determined that the option is the best fit for the personnel at Air Force.

You can rant all you want about wanting a passing offense, but the bottom line is wins and losses, and all three of the service academies are doing way better with wins and losses than we are while running offenses that you hate--and against generally tougher overall schedules. Mind you, I want an offense that can throw the ball effectively too, but I care more about wins than stats. In the words of long-time NFL OC Ron Erhardt, "Throw to score and run to win."
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(09-14-2021 08:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  the bottom line is wins and losses,

Yep. I am no longer concerned with just being "competitive" or covering the spread or anything but the W's and L's.

Just win. I don't care if we run up the middle every play or pass 50 yards downfield every play, as long as we win.
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(09-14-2021 08:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-14-2021 01:46 AM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Too bad we don't have that robust Navy option offense.
34 rushes for 36 yards
Passing: 3/10 for 32 yards

And again, you are cherry-picking. So I'll cherry pick some counter points.

Army, with the same offense or an even more conservative version, has scored 38 and 43 in two games and is averaging 390 yards of total offense (299 rushing) per game.
And Air Force, who held Navy to those numbers and also runs a similar offense, has scored 35 and 23 in two games and is averaging 320 yards of total offense (290 rushing) per game.

Clearly, not quite the same level of opposition for either Army or Air Force, but still impressive numbers.

Bottom line, I think we would be thrilled to have had Army's (43-21, 4 bowls, 3 bowl wins), Navy's (33-30, 2 division champions, 3 bowls, 2 bowl wins), or Air Force's (33-22, 2 bowls, 2 bowl wins) results over the last 5 years. And note that Troy Calhoun came to Air Force from the NFL, where he was obviously involved in a very different offensive approach, but has determined that the option is the best fit for the personnel at Air Force.

You can rant all you want about wanting a passing offense, but the bottom line is wins and losses, and all three of the service academies are doing way better with wins and losses than we are while running offenses that you hate--and against generally tougher overall schedules. Mind you, I want an offense that can throw the ball effectively too, but I care more about wins than stats. In the words of long-time NFL OC Ron Erhardt, "Throw to score and run to win."

bingo as always.
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Chad Lunsford fired at Georgia Southern after a 1-3 start. He was 28-21 in his fourth season (but wasn't hired by their current AD so his job status was in doubt entering this year).
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(09-14-2021 08:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  You can rant all you want about wanting a passing offense, but the bottom line is wins and losses, and all three of the service academies are doing way better with wins and losses than we are while running offenses that you hate--and against generally tougher overall schedules. Mind you, I want an offense that can throw the ball effectively too, but I care more about wins than stats. In the words of long-time NFL OC Ron Erhardt, "Throw to score and run to win."

The last time Army played a tougher schedule than Rice was the 1940s.
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(09-14-2021 08:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  You can rant all you want about wanting a passing offense, but the bottom line is wins and losses, and all three of the service academies are doing way better with wins and losses than we are while running offenses that you hate--and against generally tougher overall schedules. Mind you, I want an offense that can throw the ball effectively too, but I care more about wins than stats. In the words of long-time NFL OC Ron Erhardt, "Throw to score and run to win."
The last time Army played a tougher schedule than Rice was the 1940s.

Navy and Air Force play the bulk of their schedules against conference opponents, as do we, and their conferences are better than CUSA. Army typically plays a couple of P5s (maybe tougher than anyone we play), a couple of FCS (typically easier than anyone we play), and the rest regional G5s (generally comparable to CUSA). And, of course, each of them play the other two in the Commander-in-Chief series. With our playing Arkansas, TexasU, and UH this year, our schedule is rated 69.36 (42nd) by Sagarin, compared to Navy's 66.75 (65th), Army's 58.03 (132nd), and Air Force's 55.84 (149th). So ours is tougher this year, at least in the eyes of Sagarin. For 2019 the Sagarin numbers were Rice 61.66, Navy 67.55, Army 60.31, and Air Force 64.71, so two of the three of them had tougher schedules, and Army's was roughly comparable. By the way, per Sagarin, at this point we'd be dogs to 47 FCS (1-AA) schools on a neutral field.
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