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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
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(09-06-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston will only rarely win a recruiting battle head to head with Texas A&M, OU or Texas. They can compete with the rest. Texas A&M, OU and Texas compete with top programs from out of state. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. will occasionally get someone really high, but usually not someone those 3 were pursuing hard.

If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston will only rarely win a recruiting battle head to head with Texas A&M, OU or Texas. They can compete with the rest. Texas A&M, OU and Texas compete with top programs from out of state. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. will occasionally get someone really high, but usually not someone those 3 were pursuing hard.

If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-12-2021 11:12 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston will only rarely win a recruiting battle head to head with Texas A&M, OU or Texas. They can compete with the rest. Texas A&M, OU and Texas compete with top programs from out of state. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. will occasionally get someone really high, but usually not someone those 3 were pursuing hard.

If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

UH rarely competed with Texas, Texas A&M and OU for the top players when they were in the SWC. Same for TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech now in the Big 12. The top 20-30 go to the Big 3 and top out of state programs like Ohio St., Alabama, LSU and Notre Dame.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  We are in a new era of college sports with the NIL.

Houston, Cinci and UCF are all high "upside" programs.

UCF in the Orlando market with no NFL competition is going to be able to go head to head with SEC schools in terms of NIL $ and attracting athletes. They will mop up in their back yard with recruiting and make a dent in Texas now that they will be playing there. With one of the largest student bodies in the country, they are almost guaranteed, if they are playing decent football, to be at the top of attendance and TV viewership. With the right coach, would not surprise me to, in 5 years, see UCF where Florida State was a few years ago - a perennial Nat Champ contender.

Houston, likewise, in their giant market, will find the $ to attract the athletes they need, right in their back yard. Further, they will probably take athletes from Texas, A&M (especially) and LSU. The attendance potential has been shown to be there - they could find themselves, like UCF, to be near top of TV and attendance, and competing for the highest caliber athletes.

Cincinatti is already a Top 10 Football Team. That will only continue - how many recruits will they steal out from under Ohio State because they are competing in the B12?

I'm not mentioning BYU because they are already P5 caliber.

In 5 years, its very possible that these 4 schools rank at the top of the B12 in terms of interest, wins, fan support, and outstrip a lot of the supposedly more attractive properties ensconced in the bigger conferences. When one of these teams wins its first Nat Championship (I'm guessing UCF) over Alabama or Ohio State, the national perception will change and the B12 will be back in the Top 4.

In the meantime, its very likely that Texas is going to be, like Nebraska before them, wishing they didn't switch conferences.

By that time, I think CFB will be firmly entrenched in a P2+2 format.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-12-2021 01:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:12 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston will only rarely win a recruiting battle head to head with Texas A&M, OU or Texas. They can compete with the rest. Texas A&M, OU and Texas compete with top programs from out of state. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. will occasionally get someone really high, but usually not someone those 3 were pursuing hard.

If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

UH rarely competed with Texas, Texas A&M and OU for the top players when they were in the SWC. Same for TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech now in the Big 12. The top 20-30 go to the Big 3 and top out of state programs like Ohio St., Alabama, LSU and Notre Dame.

Oh contraire! We did compete and won a lot of those recuiting battle's for the most top talent.Reason why we were hit with recuiting violations by NCAA because that school in Austin called the NCAA dogs on us for the same thing they were doing, and SMU later got caught doing and killed their program for a few years. Guess who sold them out with the help of one their player's.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-12-2021 04:06 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 01:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:12 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

UH rarely competed with Texas, Texas A&M and OU for the top players when they were in the SWC. Same for TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech now in the Big 12. The top 20-30 go to the Big 3 and top out of state programs like Ohio St., Alabama, LSU and Notre Dame.

Oh contraire! We did compete and won a lot of those recuiting battle's for the most top talent.Reason why we were hit with recuiting violations by NCAA because that school in Austin called the NCAA dogs on us for the same thing they were doing, and SMU later got caught doing and killed their program for a few years. Guess who sold them out with the help of one their player's.

Oklahoma was in the Big 8, not the SWC. That was a different era and the school profiles are very different now compared to back then.

It'll depend on the program and the coaching, if UH wins they'll be able to recruit. There's too much talent in Texas. If it were on recruiting rankings alone, UT would be in the playoffs year after year, but they are not. Texas plays soft, and they will take a beatdown in the SEC if they cannot turn that around.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-12-2021 04:06 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 01:20 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:12 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

UH rarely competed with Texas, Texas A&M and OU for the top players when they were in the SWC. Same for TCU, Baylor and Texas Tech now in the Big 12. The top 20-30 go to the Big 3 and top out of state programs like Ohio St., Alabama, LSU and Notre Dame.

Oh contraire! We did compete and won a lot of those recuiting battle's for the most top talent.Reason why we were hit with recuiting violations by NCAA because that school in Austin called the NCAA dogs on us for the same thing they were doing, and SMU later got caught doing and killed their program for a few years. Guess who sold them out with the help of one their player's.

I agree completely. Look at the history of Houston athletics.

There's only so many players on the field at one time. Plenty would rather go to a Houston and play versus an SEC school and never take the field. Many SEC recruits don't work out, get hurt, or transfer, and plenty of recruits who weren't as highly regarded end up as stars. Recruiting is only part of the equation.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-12-2021 11:12 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston will only rarely win a recruiting battle head to head with Texas A&M, OU or Texas. They can compete with the rest. Texas A&M, OU and Texas compete with top programs from out of state. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. will occasionally get someone really high, but usually not someone those 3 were pursuing hard.

If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

Ed Oliver was an exception to the norm. Below is the recruiting ranking of Houston football teams over the past five years according to 247sports.com:
2021 - No. 85
2020 - No. 72
2019 - No. 73
2018 - No. 73
2017 - No. 69

In these five years, Houston has not recruited a single five-star or four-star football player. In the 2022 recruiting class from Texas to this point, there is not one player in the Texas To 50 going to Houston:
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Footba...l&State=TX

Among the NB12 schools, there is barely any activity in the Texas Top 50. It is not going to get better. Texas is going to become an SEC state once UT joins the SEC. The SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC and Notre Dame are able to recruit Texas better than the NB12 schools. That is going to be a problem for the NB12.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-14-2021 02:24 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:12 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston will only rarely win a recruiting battle head to head with Texas A&M, OU or Texas. They can compete with the rest. Texas A&M, OU and Texas compete with top programs from out of state. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. will occasionally get someone really high, but usually not someone those 3 were pursuing hard.

If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

Ed Oliver was an exception to the norm. Below is the recruiting ranking of Houston football teams over the past five years according to 247sports.com:
2021 - No. 85
2020 - No. 72
2019 - No. 73
2018 - No. 73
2017 - No. 69

In these five years, Houston has not recruited a single five-star or four-star football player. In the 2022 recruiting class from Texas to this point, there is not one player in the Texas To 50 going to Houston:
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Footba...l&State=TX

Among the NB12 schools, there is barely any activity in the Texas Top 50. It is not going to get better. Texas is going to become an SEC state once UT joins the SEC. The SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC and Notre Dame are able to recruit Texas better than the NB12 schools. That is going to be a problem for the NB12.

Nah. the top half of the SEC, Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., USC, Oregon, Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame are able to recruit Texas better than the NB12. Not the rest.

Looking at it, SMU has 3 of the top 50, TCU 2, Oklahoma St. 1. Texas, Texas A&M and OU have a bunch. The out of state schools are Ohio St. (2), Oregon (2), Florida (2), FSU, Notre Dame, Penn St., Missouri, Stanford, Washington and Kentucky. Among the uncommitted, most are between Texas, Texas A&M, OU & an out of state school-and the only schools involved are Florida, Ohio St., Alabama and USC.

So you have 6 Big 12/AAC vs. 4 non-powers. And Stanford gets certain types of academically elite players, so its really just 3.
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(10-14-2021 02:24 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Ed Oliver was an exception to the norm. Below is the recruiting ranking of Houston football teams over the past five years according to 247sports.com:
2021 - No. 85
2020 - No. 72
2019 - No. 73
2018 - No. 73
2017 - No. 69

In these five years, Houston has not recruited a single five-star or four-star football player.

Houston had a coaching change in this time, and a staff that goes heavy transfer to get the high end talent. It's been the right move in the current environment.

Their recruiting methods in the AAC vs the Big 12 will be a lot different.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-14-2021 02:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

Ed Oliver was an exception to the norm. Below is the recruiting ranking of Houston football teams over the past five years according to 247sports.com:
2021 - No. 85
2020 - No. 72
2019 - No. 73
2018 - No. 73
2017 - No. 69

In these five years, Houston has not recruited a single five-star or four-star football player. In the 2022 recruiting class from Texas to this point, there is not one player in the Texas To 50 going to Houston:
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Footba...l&State=TX

Among the NB12 schools, there is barely any activity in the Texas Top 50. It is not going to get better. Texas is going to become an SEC state once UT joins the SEC. The SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC and Notre Dame are able to recruit Texas better than the NB12 schools. That is going to be a problem for the NB12.

Nah. the top half of the SEC, Ohio St., Michigan, Penn St., USC, Oregon, Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame are able to recruit Texas better than the NB12. Not the rest.

Looking at it, SMU has 3 of the top 50, TCU 2, Oklahoma St. 1. Texas, Texas A&M and OU have a bunch. The out of state schools are Ohio St. (2), Oregon (2), Florida (2), FSU, Notre Dame, Penn St., Missouri, Stanford, Washington and Kentucky. Among the uncommitted, most are between Texas, Texas A&M, OU & an out of state school-and the only schools involved are Florida, Ohio St., Alabama and USC.

So you have 6 Big 12/AAC vs. 4 non-powers. And Stanford gets certain types of academically elite players, so its really just 3.

A lot of times it'll come down to roster availability, need and styles, but in the Houston-Woodlands-Sugarland area, UH will be right after Texas and TAMU if they start winning. This is one of the reasons why Texas and some of the other schools in the Big12 were adamant to keep UH out.

There are enough players from that area to make any team competitive. We'll see what happens but I'm fairly confident UH will be competitive in the Big12 once they get the right coaches in place.

If UH starts to win and the playoff expands, I'm fairly certain they'll siphon off recruits from Texas AM. The top recruits from from the Houston area signed with Texas AM, those guys who go out of state most of them are from the Metroplex and not from the Houston area. The top recruits from the metroplex go to Texas or OU, one or two guys leaving the state is not going to bother them.
10-14-2021 11:17 PM
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People don't realize we pick up highly touted recruits from California and Louisiana on occasion talking 4/5 star. Something about being in a big city they like especially the Louisiana kids. The transfer portal has become a large part of our program under the current coach. I believe it's only going to get better and better being in the B12 with the Nil once they figure out how to leverage it with the business community environment we have. Our biggest problem been coaching stability, looks like Holgersen is home as far he is concerned so I hope it works out for him and UH.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(10-14-2021 02:24 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 11:12 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 10:33 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2021 12:40 AM)ShadyGrove Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  Houston will only rarely win a recruiting battle head to head with Texas A&M, OU or Texas. They can compete with the rest. Texas A&M, OU and Texas compete with top programs from out of state. Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. will occasionally get someone really high, but usually not someone those 3 were pursuing hard.

If Houston builds a consistent winner in the Big 12, and the university continues to improve, they will win the recruiting battle over OU. Texas and TAM may retain an advantage but Houston will be slotted in behind those two.

Houston has no chance recruiting against schools like Texas A&M, OU, and Texas. These three schools can recruit nationally as well as in the state of Texas. Plus, they will all be SEC schools. Houston and the other New Big 12 schools will be going up in recruiting against the SEC schools. Among the current top ten football recruits in Texas according to 247sports.com 2022 rankings, two are committed to Ohio State, one to Clemson, and one to Oregon. The Big Ten, ACC, and Pac-12 have at least one recruit in the top ten. The rest are going to OU, UT or an SEC school. There is not a single New Big 12 school in the top 25.

Once OU and UT offically join the SEC, the games are going to be can't miss TV for college football fans. This past weekend, OU vs UT was a thriller, Ole Miss held off Arkansas 52-51 and Texas A&M upset Alabama. That is what the SEC will look like in the future and that is going to be difficult to recruit against for the New Bg 12.

I have to disagree with you on OU. OU's main focus in Texas is the metroplex. There are enough high caliber athletes there alone to fill the roster for a number of schools.

In Houston, UH has a real shot in moving behind Texas and TAMU. Sure LSU and other schools recruit from Texas, but if the program continues to decline, and they are under Coach O, UH has a pretty bright future imo. Drew Brees, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Strahan, Von Miller, Michael Bennett, Danny Amendola...etc...etc are all from Texas who weren't high on the list for recruiters. Find the right coach, have the institutional will, it's not hard to imagine getting a few of these guys. Herman managed to get Ed Oliver.

People forget that the SEC is where it is because there was a run of Saban - LSU, Meyer - UF, Saban - Alabama. Before there was a real argument that other conferences had better programs. Saban will not be at Alabam forever.

Ed Oliver was an exception to the norm. Below is the recruiting ranking of Houston football teams over the past five years according to 247sports.com:
2021 - No. 85
2020 - No. 72
2019 - No. 73
2018 - No. 73
2017 - No. 69

In these five years, Houston has not recruited a single five-star or four-star football player. In the 2022 recruiting class from Texas to this point, there is not one player in the Texas To 50 going to Houston:
https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Footba...l&State=TX

Among the NB12 schools, there is barely any activity in the Texas Top 50. It is not going to get better. Texas is going to become an SEC state once UT joins the SEC. The SEC, Big Ten, Pac-12, ACC and Notre Dame are able to recruit Texas better than the NB12 schools. That is going to be a problem for the NB12.

Keep sleeping on us. UH football is about to hit its stride again.
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