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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(09-06-2021 07:27 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  
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(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  We are in a new era of college sports with the NIL.

Well, I don't think the New Big 12 is going to retain its P5 status after 2025. It seems highly unlikely to me that the SEC and B1G will share playoff money and other trappings of "power" equally with the NB12 when the brand-value gap is so vast.

The NB12 will be viewed as either the top G conference or a true "tweener" that the AAC was striving to be.

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Well, your thoughtful reply made me reconsider and .... I'm still where I was before, LOL.

I mean, just consider this: With Texas and OU set aside as in limbo, so not counting for either the L12 or the SEC, the top seven brands in the SEC are about a light-year ahead of the top seven brands in the L12.

Then, if you look at the next five brands, to soak up all the L12 schools, you see that ... the SEC's next five brands are all flagships and are more valuable than the L12's last five brands.

In fact, one can argue that the SEC's 8-12 brands are better than the L12's *first* five brands.

And again, that's *without* TX and OU added to the SEC. So given that situation, why on earth would the SEC be willing to treat the L12 as a Power league in any post-2025 CFP deals, contract bowl deals, etc.?

I'm not seeing it.

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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(09-07-2021 04:59 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
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(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Cincinatti is already a Top 10 Football Team. That will only continue - how many recruits will they steal out from under Ohio State because they are competing in the B12?

It's Cincinnati, and not very many.

Ohio State football will always get who they want, the thing is they don't seem very interested in recruiting Ohio anymore....Ohio produces a freaking ton of D1 football talent, and Fickell has done a great job of out recruiting the rest of the BIG10 in Ohio. It stands to reason that the move to the BIG12 will on enhance Cincinnati's ability to recruit, especially on the basketball side.

Ohio State gets their pick of most of the top 10 players in Ohio if they want them. Them recruiting nationally now has allowed UC to fill the void. Most of the UC roster is from Ohio.

However, B12 for UC is bad news for schools like Michigan State, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota Kentucky and Louisville that we regularly get into recruiting battles against. We butt heads with Iowa State a lot for recruits, too due to that staff’s ties to Ohio. That will be interesting to watch develop.

Outside Ohio, UC recruits well in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Georgia and Florida. In the past couple classes, we have been grabbing a couple recruits out of PA due to our safeties coach’s ties there. I suspect we’ll be recruiting the same territories, perhaps an option or two will be more likely to become a Bearcats given the conference affiliation. I think the biggest impact is going to be on hoops recruiting.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  We are in a new era of college sports with the NIL.

Houston, Cinci and UCF are all high "upside" programs.

UCF in the Orlando market with no NFL competition is going to be able to go head to head with SEC schools in terms of NIL $ and attracting athletes. They will mop up in their back yard with recruiting and make a dent in Texas now that they will be playing there. With one of the largest student bodies in the country, they are almost guaranteed, if they are playing decent football, to be at the top of attendance and TV viewership. With the right coach, would not surprise me to, in 5 years, see UCF where Florida State was a few years ago - a perennial Nat Champ contender.

Houston, likewise, in their giant market, will find the $ to attract the athletes they need, right in their back yard. Further, they will probably take athletes from Texas, A&M (especially) and LSU. The attendance potential has been shown to be there - they could find themselves, like UCF, to be near top of TV and attendance, and competing for the highest caliber athletes.

Cincinatti is already a Top 10 Football Team. That will only continue - how many recruits will they steal out from under Ohio State because they are competing in the B12?

I'm not mentioning BYU because they are already P5 caliber.

In 5 years, its very possible that these 4 schools rank at the top of the B12 in terms of interest, wins, fan support, and outstrip a lot of the supposedly more attractive properties ensconced in the bigger conferences. When one of these teams wins its first Nat Championship (I'm guessing UCF) over Alabama or Ohio State, the national perception will change and the B12 will be back in the Top 4.

In the meantime, its very likely that Texas is going to be, like Nebraska before them, wishing they didn't switch conferences.

I agree with your last statement on Texas. They will go from top dog in the office in a conference they couldn't win anymore to Mississippi State level in the SEC both in the office and on the field and court. Hope the money is worth it. 04-jawdrop 05-stirthepot 05-stirthepot 02-13-banana 02-13-banana 03-lmfao 03-lmfao 03-lmfao COGS COGS 04-cheers
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(09-06-2021 07:29 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Cincinatti is already a Top 10 Football Team. That will only continue - how many recruits will they steal out from under Ohio State because they are competing in the B12?

It's Cincinnati, and not very many.

But it will be nice to finally have another quasi-P5 program in Ohio. Hopefully they'll have some continuity when Fickell goes to Nebraska next year.
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(09-07-2021 07:52 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
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(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Cincinatti is already a Top 10 Football Team. That will only continue - how many recruits will they steal out from under Ohio State because they are competing in the B12?

It's Cincinnati, and not very many.

But it will be nice to finally have another quasi-P5 program in Ohio. Hopefully they'll have some continuity when Fickell goes to Nebraska next year.

He won't. There's probably 2-3 programs he would take the leap for and it ain't Nebraska. He'd been better off taking the Michigan State job but turned it down. He has made it clear he's following a 10 year plan at Cincinnati [we're in Year Five] and his wife and six kids love the city. He's motivated to keep building the Cincinnati program and now he lands in a bigger weight class conference.
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(09-07-2021 07:59 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 07:52 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:29 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Cincinatti is already a Top 10 Football Team. That will only continue - how many recruits will they steal out from under Ohio State because they are competing in the B12?

It's Cincinnati, and not very many.

But it will be nice to finally have another quasi-P5 program in Ohio. Hopefully they'll have some continuity when Fickell goes to Nebraska next year.

He won't. There's probably 2-3 programs he would take the leap for and it ain't Nebraska. He'd been better off taking the Michigan State job but turned it down. He has made it clear he's following a 10 year plan at Cincinnati [we're in Year Five] and his wife and six kids love the city. He's motivated to keep building the Cincinnati program and now he lands in a bigger weight class conference.

Obviously I don't have to tell you all this, but there really is something to be said about staying where you are wanted (badly in this case) and where you have already been successful. If I were him I would stay at Cincinnati and build my own legacy there unless perhaps Ohio State came calling. Going to Michigan State or Nebraska or wherever and failing does not seem as fun to me as staying at Cincinnati where he's already a hero and a quite well paid one.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(09-07-2021 08:16 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 07:59 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 07:52 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
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(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Cincinatti is already a Top 10 Football Team. That will only continue - how many recruits will they steal out from under Ohio State because they are competing in the B12?

It's Cincinnati, and not very many.

But it will be nice to finally have another quasi-P5 program in Ohio. Hopefully they'll have some continuity when Fickell goes to Nebraska next year.

He won't. There's probably 2-3 programs he would take the leap for and it ain't Nebraska. He'd been better off taking the Michigan State job but turned it down. He has made it clear he's following a 10 year plan at Cincinnati [we're in Year Five] and his wife and six kids love the city. He's motivated to keep building the Cincinnati program and now he lands in a bigger weight class conference.

Obviously I don't have to tell you all this, but there really is something to be said about staying where you are wanted (badly in this case) and where you have already been successful. If I were him I would stay at Cincinnati and build my own legacy there unless perhaps Ohio State came calling. Going to Michigan State or Nebraska or wherever and failing does not seem as fun to me as staying at Cincinnati where he's already a hero and a quite well paid one.

You are correct sir. He's having fun doing his job and that counts bigly too.
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I'd not be surprised if Oklahoma State became the new king of the B12 conference.
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(09-07-2021 08:33 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I'd not be surprised if Oklahoma State became the new king of the B12 conference.

In football? Iowa State says hello. I don't see a true king. And I think that is a good thing. Rest assured, Cincinnati and UCF can hit the ground running and pull their weight in football immediately.
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Cincy and UCF are gonna be really good in the Big 12, not sure yet about Houston or BYU.

Cincy is already recruiting like a top-tier Big 12 team, will be interesting to see how high they rise without the AAC/G5 moniker holding them back. Cincy needs to beat out IU, MSU, Kentucky, and Purdue for the Ohio recruits that OSU and Penn St. don't get. They are already off to a good start in 2023 after landing the #7 ranked Ohio prospect. If/when the play-off expands, Cincy will find itself in a really good spot because they will have the best chance at making it over the lower/mid-tier B1G and SEC teams.
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If you look at it today, ISU and Cincinnati are the highest ranked teams and one of them would be expected to take the title this year. And both would be expected to remain competitive and contend for titles in the future. But I doubt if either becomes a dominant program. Other than KU (and maybe Tech), I think all schools have the potential to compete for titles going forward. The conference chase in football will be wide open and that'll be what makes the Big 12 interesting and exciting. BYU has the strongest national brand and were dominant in the WAC and 1 of the Big 3 in the MWC - they'll remain strong and compete for titles. TCU, the only other school with MNC's, has a national brand as well although it's more of "the little private school that could" kind of brand - for so long as Patterson remains, I think the Frogs have a legitimate chance to compete for titles. Oklahoma State has a very good shot at being perhaps the strongest team although I don't see them being dominant. West Virginia also has a national brand and the new Big 12 is the kind of conference they could have real success in. Houston came into the SWC and got an immediate boost and had a decade and a half of real national success; that could happen again. With UCF, we all saw Miami and Florida State come out of nowhere and become multiple title winners - that could happen again because UCF has that kind of potential. Without Snyder, KState has fallen back a bit, but they're strong enough overall to contend often. Baylor has been competitive under multiple coaches. Virtually all of them have a legitimate shot. It'll be fun to watch. I expect multiple title winners and no dominant team and no clear hierarchy for years.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
Look at what happened to Utah, TCU and Louisville once they got into a tougher league. Same applies to West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers. They all struggled. Sure, some of them had a good season or two and in TCU’s case, they had a good argument to be included in the first CFP.

What makes people think the same won’t apply to whoever the Big XII invites? They’ll have a chip on their shoulder at first and win big games but I can see 6-9 win seasons on a regular basis which is not terrible if you’re in a power league getting a big fat check.
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(09-07-2021 10:40 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Look at what happened to Utah, TCU and Louisville once they got into a tougher league. Same applies to West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers. They all struggled. Sure, some of them had a good season or two and in TCU’s case, they had a good argument to be included in the first CFP.

What makes people think the same won’t apply to whoever the Big XII invites? They’ll have a chip on their shoulder at first and win big games but I can see 6-9 win seasons on a regular basis which is not terrible if you’re in a power league getting a big fat check.

Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers were mediocre in FB before they switched leagues. No surprise they haven’t raised the roofs in their new homes.

TCU and Utah have been pretty solid in their new homes. It was not that long ago TCU was robbed of a CFP spot.
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(09-07-2021 10:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 10:40 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Look at what happened to Utah, TCU and Louisville once they got into a tougher league. Same applies to West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers. They all struggled. Sure, some of them had a good season or two and in TCU’s case, they had a good argument to be included in the first CFP.

What makes people think the same won’t apply to whoever the Big XII invites? They’ll have a chip on their shoulder at first and win big games but I can see 6-9 win seasons on a regular basis which is not terrible if you’re in a power league getting a big fat check.

Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers were mediocre in FB before they switched leagues. No surprise they haven’t raised the roofs in their new homes.

TCU and Utah have been pretty solid in their new homes. It was not that long ago TCU was robbed of a CFP spot.

Which is exactly my point.

Utah has been a solid addition in football more so than Colorado. They’ve come close to win the Pac-12 and get a Rose Bowl bid but haven’t done so yet in the decade they’ve been in the conference. TCU was hungry and made a good case in 2014 but they have struggled since then. West Virginia after winning 3 BCS bowls in the Big East has struggled in the Big XII. Look at Louisville in the ACC. And those four schools were regarded as better football schools compared to the schools the Big XII is considered for expansion. If those four have had their struggles in their new homes, what makes you think BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Central Florida won’t?


I don’t really expect the new additions to win conference titles every year in football and basketball. But even an 8 win season in the Big XII rewards you on an Alamo Bowl instead of the Nobody Cares Bowl in the AAC with a similar record.

Congratulations to Cincinnati. I still believe you’re an ACC school in a G5 conference but the Big XII is a good consolation prize and you’ll continue that rivalry with West Virginia that conference realignment interrupted. If you can pull an OOC series with Louisville then you’ll be in football and basketball heaven.
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(09-07-2021 09:37 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 08:33 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I'd not be surprised if Oklahoma State became the new king of the B12 conference.

In football? Iowa State says hello. I don't see a true king. And I think that is a good thing. Rest assured, Cincinnati and UCF can hit the ground running and pull their weight in football immediately.

Where have you been the last 109 years?

Iowa St. is good right now. But they haven't won a conference title since 1912. Came close last year as #1 seed going into ccg.

Oklahoma St. and TCU would be the best bets.
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(09-07-2021 11:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 09:37 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 08:33 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I'd not be surprised if Oklahoma State became the new king of the B12 conference.

In football? Iowa State says hello. I don't see a true king. And I think that is a good thing. Rest assured, Cincinnati and UCF can hit the ground running and pull their weight in football immediately.

Where have you been the last 109 years?

Iowa St. is good right now. But they haven't won a conference title since 1912. Came close last year as #1 seed going into ccg.

Oklahoma St. and TCU would be the best bets.

Can Iowa State sustain what they have if Matt Campbell leaves? They have a good thing going, and if they can keep Matt Campbell, they have a good shot. But, if say, Michigan comes calling, ISU will have to make another good hire. They have invested in the program, for sure.

The same can be said for TCU and Gary Patterson, but I believe that TCU will spend whatever it takes to be competitive. I trust them to make a good hire when Patterson steps away (which may not be for a while). The lessons of the 1994 realignment still sting for them.

I agree that OSU stands to succeed in the new Big 12. Their program is sustainable, and is bigger than their longtime coach. The Pickens donations stabilized their program and increased their expectations.
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(09-07-2021 06:38 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 07:27 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 06:02 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  We are in a new era of college sports with the NIL.

Well, I don't think the New Big 12 is going to retain its P5 status after 2025. It seems highly unlikely to me that the SEC and B1G will share playoff money and other trappings of "power" equally with the NB12 when the brand-value gap is so vast.

The NB12 will be viewed as either the top G conference or a true "tweener" that the AAC was striving to be.

Wrong

Well, your thoughtful reply made me reconsider and .... I'm still where I was before, LOL.

I mean, just consider this: With Texas and OU set aside as in limbo, so not counting for either the L12 or the SEC, the top seven brands in the SEC are about a light-year ahead of the top seven brands in the L12.

Then, if you look at the next five brands, to soak up all the L12 schools, you see that ... the SEC's next five brands are all flagships and are more valuable than the L12's last five brands.

In fact, one can argue that the SEC's 8-12 brands are better than the L12's *first* five brands.

And again, that's *without* TX and OU added to the SEC. So given that situation, why on earth would the SEC be willing to treat the L12 as a Power league in any post-2025 CFP deals, contract bowl deals, etc.?

I'm not seeing it.

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Make the same argument against the SEC, but insert ACC or PAC instead of AAC
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(09-07-2021 11:14 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 10:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 10:40 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Look at what happened to Utah, TCU and Louisville once they got into a tougher league. Same applies to West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers. They all struggled. Sure, some of them had a good season or two and in TCU’s case, they had a good argument to be included in the first CFP.

What makes people think the same won’t apply to whoever the Big XII invites? They’ll have a chip on their shoulder at first and win big games but I can see 6-9 win seasons on a regular basis which is not terrible if you’re in a power league getting a big fat check.

Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers were mediocre in FB before they switched leagues. No surprise they haven’t raised the roofs in their new homes.

TCU and Utah have been pretty solid in their new homes. It was not that long ago TCU was robbed of a CFP spot.

Which is exactly my point.

Utah has been a solid addition in football more so than Colorado. They’ve come close to win the Pac-12 and get a Rose Bowl bid but haven’t done so yet in the decade they’ve been in the conference. TCU was hungry and made a good case in 2014 but they have struggled since then. West Virginia after winning 3 BCS bowls in the Big East has struggled in the Big XII. Look at Louisville in the ACC. And those four schools were regarded as better football schools compared to the schools the Big XII is considered for expansion. If those four have had their struggles in their new homes, what makes you think BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Central Florida won’t?


I don’t really expect the new additions to win conference titles every year in football and basketball. But even an 8 win season in the Big XII rewards you on an Alamo Bowl instead of the Nobody Cares Bowl in the AAC with a similar record.

Congratulations to Cincinnati. I still believe you’re an ACC school in a G5 conference but the Big XII is a good consolation prize and you’ll continue that rivalry with West Virginia that conference realignment interrupted. If you can pull an OOC series with Louisville then you’ll be in football and basketball heaven.

Cincy has been recruiting at a similar level as the top L8 BIG12 teams (WVU, OK State, ISU, and Baylor right now) despite having the G5 moniker. They won't come into the Big12 and dominate but they will contend right off the bat. The difference between WVU going to the BIG12 with UT and OU and Cincy going to the BIG12 without them is huge. Cincy also has a tremendous local recruiting base to draw from whereas WVU doesn't. Cincy has a much easier road to the top of the BIG12 than WVU had when they joined.
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(09-07-2021 11:30 AM)johnintx Wrote:  
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(09-07-2021 09:37 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 08:33 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I'd not be surprised if Oklahoma State became the new king of the B12 conference.

In football? Iowa State says hello. I don't see a true king. And I think that is a good thing. Rest assured, Cincinnati and UCF can hit the ground running and pull their weight in football immediately.

Where have you been the last 109 years?

Iowa St. is good right now. But they haven't won a conference title since 1912. Came close last year as #1 seed going into ccg.

Oklahoma St. and TCU would be the best bets.

Can Iowa State sustain what they have if Matt Campbell leaves? They have a good thing going, and if they can keep Matt Campbell, they have a good shot. But, if say, Michigan comes calling, ISU will have to make another good hire. They have invested in the program, for sure.

The same can be said for TCU and Gary Patterson, but I believe that TCU will spend whatever it takes to be competitive. I trust them to make a good hire when Patterson steps away (which may not be for a while). The lessons of the 1994 realignment still sting for them.

I agree that OSU stands to succeed in the new Big 12. Their program is sustainable, and is bigger than their longtime coach. The Pickens donations stabilized their program and increased their expectations.

I think Iowa State is sustainable if/when Campbell leaves. It's tough for in-state rival Iowa to compete in the B1G whereas ISU figures to be one of the top BIG12 teams. When the play-off expands, that's a strong selling point. The state of Iowa isn't exactly a hot bed of talent but regionally ISU seems to recruit well against the B1G schools in that area. ISU is riding high on the Campbell wave right now but I think they can still be a consistent top 25 team if, for example, Michigan hired Campbell.
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RE: Just wait until Houston, Cinci, and UCF grow into their P5 status
(09-07-2021 11:47 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 11:14 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 10:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 10:40 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Look at what happened to Utah, TCU and Louisville once they got into a tougher league. Same applies to West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers. They all struggled. Sure, some of them had a good season or two and in TCU’s case, they had a good argument to be included in the first CFP.

What makes people think the same won’t apply to whoever the Big XII invites? They’ll have a chip on their shoulder at first and win big games but I can see 6-9 win seasons on a regular basis which is not terrible if you’re in a power league getting a big fat check.

Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers were mediocre in FB before they switched leagues. No surprise they haven’t raised the roofs in their new homes.

TCU and Utah have been pretty solid in their new homes. It was not that long ago TCU was robbed of a CFP spot.

Which is exactly my point.

Utah has been a solid addition in football more so than Colorado. They’ve come close to win the Pac-12 and get a Rose Bowl bid but haven’t done so yet in the decade they’ve been in the conference. TCU was hungry and made a good case in 2014 but they have struggled since then. West Virginia after winning 3 BCS bowls in the Big East has struggled in the Big XII. Look at Louisville in the ACC. And those four schools were regarded as better football schools compared to the schools the Big XII is considered for expansion. If those four have had their struggles in their new homes, what makes you think BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Central Florida won’t?


I don’t really expect the new additions to win conference titles every year in football and basketball. But even an 8 win season in the Big XII rewards you on an Alamo Bowl instead of the Nobody Cares Bowl in the AAC with a similar record.

Congratulations to Cincinnati. I still believe you’re an ACC school in a G5 conference but the Big XII is a good consolation prize and you’ll continue that rivalry with West Virginia that conference realignment interrupted. If you can pull an OOC series with Louisville then you’ll be in football and basketball heaven.

Cincy has been recruiting at a similar level as the top L8 BIG12 teams (WVU, OK State, ISU, and Baylor right now) despite having the G5 moniker. They won't come into the Big12 and dominate but they will contend right off the bat. The difference between WVU going to the BIG12 with UT and OU and Cincy going to the BIG12 without them is huge. Cincy also has a tremendous local recruiting base to draw from whereas WVU doesn't. Cincy has a much easier road to the top of the BIG12 than WVU had when they joined.

You might be recruiting at the same level but the competition will be tougher than anything you faced in the Big East and the American. Kansas will be an automatic win most years but other than that, you can either win or lose in places like Fort Worth, Waco, Stillwater, Lubbock, Ames, Manhattan, Morgantown, Provo, Houston and Orlando. That’s the beauty of playing in a tougher league. Nothing is given on any Saturday.

Anyway, congrats on the Big XII invite and go and win some titles.
09-07-2021 11:58 AM
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