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In Depth Info On Potential AAC Candidates.....
All of these figures will be averages since 2014 which is the first year under the current re-alignment (minus the 2020 season due to COVID).

I see fans from multiple schools trying to use one year (if it benefits them or diminishes another). We can't look at just one single year to get a full picture so that is why I have compiled all of this data from 2014-2019 (Includes the 2019 season). So I decided to take the time and figure up the averages for each school over this time period. Averages are a lot better measuring stick as it's over a longer period of time.


Average Football Attendance


Marshall- 24,590
So Miss- 24,566
UAB- 24,196 (Only four seasons as they shut their program down for two years)
UTSA- 23,419
App St- 23,171
Rice- 20,177
Louisiana- 20,017

North Texas- 19,976
La Tech- 19,964
ODU- 19,273
Buffalo- 17,417
Liberty- 17,251 (3 years FCS)

FAU 15,903
Ga St- 15,015
Charlotte- 13,003


Average Basketball Attendance

Old Dominion- 6,560
Marshall- 5,433
Charlotte- 4,402

Buffalo- 3,836
Louisiana- 3,777
La Tech- 3,474
UAB- 3,091
So Miss- 3,072

North Texas- 2,523
Liberty- 2,299
Rice- 1,989
Ga St- 1,772

App St- 1,267
FAU- 1,219
UTSA- 1,087

The attendance figures came directly from the NCAA website.


Total Weeks In FBS Top 25 Since 2014

CFP/Coach's Poll/AP Poll

Marshall- 3/16/15 (Highest Rank #15) (Ranked #15 three different weeks)
App St- 5/11/9 (Highest Rank #18)
Louisiana- 4/10/10 (Highest Rank #15)

Liberty- 0/7/6 (Highest Rank #17)
Buffalo- 0/1/3 (Highest Rank #23)
UAB- 0/0/1 (Highest Rank #25)

Teams not ranked a single week in any poll since 2014

Old Dominion
Charlotte
La Tech
Rice
So Miss
North Texas
Ga St
FAU
UTSA


Football winning % from 2014-2020 (Info courtesy of PicksUp)

App St 78.2
Marshall 65.4
La Tech 65.0
UAB 64.2

Liberty 56.0
Louisiana 53.8
Southern Miss 52.6

Buffalo 48.6
FAU 47.4
ODU 42.5
North Texas 42.1

UTSA 36.1
Ga St 35.1
Charlotte 31.1
Rice 29.7


Massey Football Composite Rankings Since 2017 (Courtesy of Banker) (Left over AAC Teams in bold for context)


2017 2018 2019 2020 Average
App St. 55 27 19 30 33
Memphis 24 63 13 46 37
Marshall 67 60 63 50 60
FAU 30 95 29 90 61
SMU 66 98 30 51 61
ULL 116 93 31 17 64
Navy 45 103 20 102 68
UAB 97 43 85 47 68
Troy 39 46 105 88 70
Tulane 79 80 50 70 70
Temple 63 55 56 118 73
Ga. Sou 122 49 69 66 77
La Tech 76 86 57 93 78
Ark. St. 86 71 72 100 82
Tulsa 107 111 78 34 83
USF 28 92 97 122 85
Coastal Car 120 104 108 13 86
North Texas 65 69 116 114 91
USM 82 89 84 115 93
WKU 104 118 52 103 94
MTSU 88 68 112 111 95
FIU 83 76 104 125 97
Ga. St 99 122 91 91 101
UTSA 96 123 121 83 106
ULM 110 97 96 127 108
Charlotte 128 102 93 108 108
ECU 109 115 117 97 110
USA 115 119 122 105 115
Rice 127 128 119 98 118
Tx. St. 126 124 120 113 121
ODU 112 116 127 130 121
UTEP 130 130 128 119 127



Basketball winning percentage over the last 8 seasons entering 2020-21. This info is courtesy of JSchmack in another thread. I will find the time to update this list to include the other candidates when I have the time.

Basketball Winning Percentage Last 8 Years


La Tech- 69.3%
Buffalo- 67.4%
ODU- 64.05% (thanks bit_9)
UAB- 61.8%

Liberty- 58.8%
UTSA- 56%
Marshall- 53.5%
North Texas- 50.6%

So Miss- 43.5%
Rice- 41.3%
Charlotte- 40.8%

FAU- 39.5%



The Ticket Sales, Donations, etc all come from USA Today! Info for Liberty and Rice are not available as they are private schools.

Average Ticket Sales Per Year

Old Dominion- $3,735,450
Marshall- $3,478,819

Louisiana- $2,761,438
So Miss- $2,693,467
App State- $2,332,468
UTSA- $2,142,369

La Tech- $1,803,163
Charlotte- $1,712,470
UAB- $1,539,626

FAU- $1,400,093
North Texas- $1,368,195
Buffalo- $1,1175,476

Ga St- $724,343


Average Contributions Per Year

Louisiana- $5,873,952
Old Dominion- $5,871,873
La Tech- $5,385,089

Charlotte- $4,778,017
UAB- $4,692,302


So Miss- $3,986,211
FAU- $3,913,376
App St- $3,792,858
Marshall- $3,248,220

UTSA- $2,710,193
North Texas- $2,302,246
Buffalo- $2,108,647

Ga St- $1,915,243


Average Rights/Licensing Per Year

North Texas- $5,829,322
Marshall- $5,787,459
UTSA- $5,721,966
So Miss- $5,215,197

Old Dominion- $4,993,182
App St- $4,219,673
Buffalo- $4,219,474
Louisiana- $4,011,099

FAU- $3,900,435
Charlotte- $3,800,225
UAB- $3,744,679
Ga St- $3,437,221
La Tech- $3,307,481


Enough about overall athletic budgets. Let's look at the budgets for football and men's basketball since those are honestly the only two sports that matter. How much a team spends on soccer is irrelevant and I say that as a Marshall fan who just won the NCAA National Championship in soccer.

All info is from: https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381



Percent of Total Budget Subsidized in 2019

La Tech- 43.92%
So Miss- 44.85%
Marshall- 47.78%

FAU- 57.03%
Louisiana- 57.22%
App St- 57.97%


Ga St- 60.39%
UTSA- 60.87%
Old Dominion- 61.3%
UAB- 63.32%
Charlotte- 68%
North Texas 68.95%
Buffalo- 69.88%





If I get the time I will look up weeks ranked, how many times finished the season ranked, highest rank, winning percentage etc. Not sure when I will have this much time again, but this is how I spent my Labor Day lol



Average TV Viewership since 2013 (No Particular Order)

Marshall Average rating per channel since 2013:

ESPN: 1.804 Million (4 games over 2 Million)
CBS: 1.25 Million
ESPN2: 752k
ESPNU: 436k
FS1: 284k

App Average TV Views Per Channel Since 2013

CBS- 1.25 Million
ESPN- 1.124 Million
ESPN2- 616k
ESPNU- 150k (I did not count the three games where ratings were so terrible they weren't even counted)



Average UAB TV Viewership Since 2013

ESPN- 935k
ESPN2- 722k
ESPNU- 578k
FS1- 79k


Rice Average TV Ratings Since 2013 Very few games, but you can't argue the numbers they delivered in limited opportunities.

ESPN- 2.674 Million (Over 4 million for one game against Texas A&M)
NBC- 2.1 Million (One game vs Notre Dame)
ESPN2- 703k
ESPNU- 445k
FS1- 144k


Old Dominion Average TV Viewership Since 2013

Only one game on each network. Three total games on TV since 2013.

ESPN- 1.371 Million
ESPN2- 414k
ESPNU- 201k


So Miss TV Ratings Since 2013

Only three total games on TV since 2014. One was NFL Network with a rating of N/A.

ESPN2- 345k


La Tech Average TV Viewership Since 2013

ESPN- 1.780 Million (Three games over 2 Million)
ESPN2- 397k
FS1- 193k
ESPNU- 81k


UTSA Average TV Ratings Since 2013

ABC- 2.08 Million
ESPN- 1.391 Million
ESPN2- 440k
FS1- 390k
ESPNU 193k
NFLN 142k


North Texas Average TV Ratings Since 2013

ESPN- 1.085 Million
ESPNU- 438k
FS1- 92k


FAU Average TV Ratings Since 2013

Fox- 2.003 Million
ABC- 1.99 Million (One Game)
ESPN- 1.320 Million
FS1- 121k


Charlotte Average TV Ratings Since 2013

Not enough games to really do an average. Only two games on TV since 2013.

2020

vs Wake Forest 1.98 Million ESPN

2015

vs Ga St 174k ESPNU


Buffalo Average TV Ratings Since 2013

ESPN- 1.313 Million
ESPN2- 812k
ESPN- 134k (Two games were so bad there weren't any ratings so they are not included as it is not fair to assign a zero)


Louisiana Average TV Ratings Since 2013

ABC- 2.07 Million (One game)
ESPN- 1.503 Million (Two games over 2 Million)
ESPN2- 460k (One game had N/A which was vs Miss St so not sure why)
ESPNU 177k (Five games with ratings so bad there wasn't a rating so they are not included as it's not fair to count them as zero.)


Liberty Average TV Ratings Since 2013

Other than the bowl game vs Coastal their biggest TV audience was 166k vs BYU.

ESPN- 2.62 Million (One game; Bowl Game vs Coastal)
ESPN2- 133k (One game)
ESPNU- 142k (One game with no rating and not included in this average.)
FS1- 137k


Ga St Average rating per channel since 2013:

ESPN: 804k
ESPNU: 702k (One Game- Had 4 games where viewership was so bad there wasn't a rating.)
ESPN2: 422k (One Game)
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(09-06-2021 04:25 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  All of these figures will be averages since 2014 which is the first year under the current re-alignment (minus the 2020 season due to COVID).

I see fans from multiple schools trying to use one year (if it benefits them or diminishes another). We can't look at just one single year to get a full picture so that is why I have compiled all of this data from 2014-2019 (Includes the 2019 season). So I decided to take the time and figure up the averages for each school over this time period. Averages are a lot better measuring stick as it's over a longer period of time.


Average Football Attendance


Marshall- 24,590
So Miss- 24,566
UAB- 24,196 (Only four seasons as they shut their program down for two years)
UTSA- 23,419
App St- 23,171
Rice- 20,177
Louisiana- 20,017

North Texas- 19,976
La Tech- 19,964
ODU- 19,273
Buffalo- 17,417
Liberty- 17,251 (3 years FCS)

FAU 15,903
Ga St- 15,015
Charlotte- 13,003


Average Basketball Attendance

Old Dominion- 6,560
Marshall- 5,433
Charlotte- 4,402

Buffalo- 3,836
Louisiana- 3,777
La Tech- 3,474
UAB- 3,091
So Miss- 3,072

North Texas- 2,523
Liberty- 2,299
Rice- 1,989
Ga St- 1,772

App St- 1,267
FAU- 1,219
UTSA- 1,087

The attendance figures came directly from the NCAA website.

The Ticket Sales, Donations, etc all come from USA Today! Info for Liberty and Rice are not available as they are private schools.

Average Ticket Sales Per Year

Old Dominion- $3,735,450
Marshall- $3,478,819

Louisiana- $2,761,438
So Miss- $2,693,467
App State- $2,332,468
UTSA- $2,142,369

La Tech- $1,803,163
Charlotte- $1,712,470
UAB- $1,539,626

FAU- $1,400,093
North Texas- $1,368,195
Buffalo- $1,1175,476

Ga St- $724,343


Average Contributions Per Year

Louisiana- $5,873,952
Old Dominion- $5,871,873
La Tech- $5,385,089

Charlotte- $4,778,017
UAB- $4,692,302


So Miss- $3,986,211
FAU- $3,913,376
App St- $3,792,858
Marshall- $3,248,220

UTSA- $2,710,193
North Texas- $2,302,246
Buffalo- $2,108,647

Ga St- $1,915,243


Average Rights/Licensing Per Year

North Texas- $5,829,322
Marshall- $5,787,459
UTSA- $5,721,966
So Miss- $5,215,197

Old Dominion- $4,993,182
App St- $4,219,673
Buffalo- $4,219,474
Louisiana- $4,011,099

FAU- $3,900,435
Charlotte- $3,800,225
UAB- $3,744,679
Ga St- $3,437,221
La Tech- $3,307,481


Percent of Budget Subsidized in 2019

La Tech- 43.92%
So Miss- 44.85%
Marshall- 47.78%

FAU- 57.03%
Louisiana- 57.22%
App St- 57.97%


Ga St- 60.39%
UTSA- 60.87%
Old Dominion- 61.3%
UAB- 63.32%
Charlotte- 68%
North Texas 68.95%
Buffalo- 69.88%



If I get the time I will look up weeks ranked, how many times finished the season ranked, highest rank, winning percentage etc. Not sure when I will have this much time again, but this is how I spent my Labor Day lol

Total athletic budgets would be a good number to see as well. The Buffalo attendance is actually better than I expected given all the mid-week games.
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Total athletic budgets would be a good number to see as well. The Buffalo attendance is actually better than I expected given all the mid-week games.
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Updated it with info I found in another post that has winning percentage over the last 8 years for football and basketball. I will also update at some point to include athletic budgets like you requested as well as the final NET rankings for each year. Basketball records can be inflated much easier than football. In football you plat at most one FCS school per year. In basketball some teams can play multiple D2 teams per year to boost their wins. NET will probably be a better indicator for basketball.
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Are those the 15 that the AAC is considering or just the 15 you think they should consider?
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Football winning % from 2014-2020

App St 78.2
Marshall 65.4
La Tech 65.0
UAB 64.2
Liberty 56.0
Louisiana 53.8
Southern Miss 52.6
Buffalo 48.6
FAU 47.4
ODU 42.5
North Texas 42.1
UTSA 36.1
Ga St 35.1
Charlotte 31.1
Rice 29.7
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(09-06-2021 07:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Are those the 15 that the AAC is considering or just the 15 you think they should consider?

What tipped you off? For me it was his username.
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(09-06-2021 07:29 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Are those the 15 that the AAC is considering or just the 15 you think they should consider?

Just the 15 I have seen people mention the most. If someone wants to compile the data for their school I will include it. I don’t have the time to compile data for every single team so I chose the teams that other people seem to mention the most.
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(09-06-2021 07:50 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Football winning % from 2014-2020

App St 78.2
Marshall 65.4
La Tech 65.0
UAB 64.2
Liberty 56.0
Louisiana 53.8
Southern Miss 52.6
Buffalo 48.6
FAU 47.4
ODU 42.5
North Texas 42.1
UTSA 36.1
Ga St 35.1
Charlotte 31.1
Rice 29.7


Thank you... that’s a HUGE help. I will add this in when I get back to the actual computer.
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Great info, thanks herdfan!
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Forgot ODU basketball % -0.6405

AP Top 25 and 1 ncaa appearance. God, that season still haunts. Shoulda been an at-large. Moving on. =]

thanks for compiling!
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(09-06-2021 09:10 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Forgot ODU basketball % -0.6405

AP Top 25 and 1 ncaa appearance. God, that season still haunts. Shoulda been an at-large. Moving on. =]

thanks for compiling!

Thank you. I just updated the list to include that as well as total weeks ranked in FBS Top 25. If I get time to do basketball Top 25 I will.

Not going to lie, when you start looking at support for both football & basketball, as well as just general support, Old Dominion looks much better to me.

You guys are one of the reasons I chose to do this as I knew your basketball attendance historically was better than it looked in comparison to others.
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(09-06-2021 09:56 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
(09-06-2021 09:10 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  Forgot ODU basketball % -0.6405

AP Top 25 and 1 ncaa appearance. God, that season still haunts. Shoulda been an at-large. Moving on. =]

thanks for compiling!

Thank you. I just updated the list to include that as well as total weeks ranked in FBS Top 25. If I get time to do basketball Top 25 I will.

Not going to lie, when you start looking at support for both football & basketball, as well as just general support, Old Dominion looks much better to me.

You guys are one of the reasons I chose to do this as I knew your basketball attendance historically was better than it looked in comparison to others.

Thanks! We suffer from the same thing others have mentioned, lack of general awareness. I've heard the story told about how we got invited to CUSA and it was kind of by accident and someone sent Judy to visit but we weren't on the radar or looking to make any moves, and she called back to head office and said "uhh, invite them." Which was a no brainer decision with VCU and Mason out the door. Ready or not you take that invite.

Basketball is in serious need of a NCAA win but I think we hang on to Jeff Jones unless he produces another 15-18 win season. Then I think he'll be on the hot seat. Many fans think his seats been plenty of hot, but we'll save that drama for our board and the numerous "Fire ___"threads. =]

I would absolutely hate to lose Marshall as a conference mate in all of this madness. We joined with ECU and Marshall and I was stoked at that combo, then they were gone before we could get in the door. Then 6 years later Marshall leaves and fans on here think ODU is vocal about the conference now? Sheesh.

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(09-06-2021 04:25 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  All of these figures will be averages since 2014 which is the first year under the current re-alignment (minus the 2020 season due to COVID).

I see fans from multiple schools trying to use one year (if it benefits them or diminishes another). We can't look at just one single year to get a full picture so that is why I have compiled all of this data from 2014-2019 (Includes the 2019 season). So I decided to take the time and figure up the averages for each school over this time period. Averages are a lot better measuring stick as it's over a longer period of time.


Average Football Attendance


Marshall- 24,590
So Miss- 24,566
UAB- 24,196 (Only four seasons as they shut their program down for two years)
UTSA- 23,419
App St- 23,171
Rice- 20,177
Louisiana- 20,017

North Texas- 19,976
La Tech- 19,964
ODU- 19,273
Buffalo- 17,417
Liberty- 17,251 (3 years FCS)

FAU 15,903
Ga St- 15,015
Charlotte- 13,003


Average Basketball Attendance

Old Dominion- 6,560
Marshall- 5,433
Charlotte- 4,402

Buffalo- 3,836
Louisiana- 3,777
La Tech- 3,474
UAB- 3,091
So Miss- 3,072

North Texas- 2,523
Liberty- 2,299
Rice- 1,989
Ga St- 1,772

App St- 1,267
FAU- 1,219
UTSA- 1,087

The attendance figures came directly from the NCAA website.


Total Weeks In FBS Top 25 Since 2014

CFP/Coach's Poll/AP Poll

Marshall- 3/16/15 (Highest Rank #15) (Ranked #15 three different weeks)
App St- 5/11/9 (Highest Rank #18)
Louisiana- 4/10/10 (Highest Rank #15)

Liberty- 0/7/6 (Highest Rank #17)
Buffalo- 0/1/3 (Highest Rank #23)
UAB- 0/0/1 (Highest Rank #25)

Teams not ranked a single week in any poll since 2014

Old Dominion
Charlotte
La Tech
Rice
So Miss
North Texas
Ga St
FAU
UTSA


Football winning % from 2014-2020 (Info courtesy of PicksUp)

App St 78.2
Marshall 65.4
La Tech 65.0
UAB 64.2

Liberty 56.0
Louisiana 53.8
Southern Miss 52.6

Buffalo 48.6
FAU 47.4
ODU 42.5
North Texas 42.1

UTSA 36.1
Ga St 35.1
Charlotte 31.1
Rice 29.7

Basketball winning percentage over the last 8 seasons entering 2020-21. This info is courtesy of JSchmack in another thread. I will find the time to update this list to include the other candidates when I have the time.

Basketball Winning Percentage Last 8 Years


La Tech- 69.3%
Buffalo- 67.4%
ODU- 64.05% (thanks bit_9)
UAB- 61.8%

Liberty- 58.8%
UTSA- 56%
Marshall- 53.5%
North Texas- 50.6%

So Miss- 43.5%
Rice- 41.3%
Charlotte- 40.8%

FAU- 39.5%



The Ticket Sales, Donations, etc all come from USA Today! Info for Liberty and Rice are not available as they are private schools.

Average Ticket Sales Per Year

Old Dominion- $3,735,450
Marshall- $3,478,819

Louisiana- $2,761,438
So Miss- $2,693,467
App State- $2,332,468
UTSA- $2,142,369

La Tech- $1,803,163
Charlotte- $1,712,470
UAB- $1,539,626

FAU- $1,400,093
North Texas- $1,368,195
Buffalo- $1,1175,476

Ga St- $724,343


Average Contributions Per Year

Louisiana- $5,873,952
Old Dominion- $5,871,873
La Tech- $5,385,089

Charlotte- $4,778,017
UAB- $4,692,302


So Miss- $3,986,211
FAU- $3,913,376
App St- $3,792,858
Marshall- $3,248,220

UTSA- $2,710,193
North Texas- $2,302,246
Buffalo- $2,108,647

Ga St- $1,915,243


Average Rights/Licensing Per Year

North Texas- $5,829,322
Marshall- $5,787,459
UTSA- $5,721,966
So Miss- $5,215,197

Old Dominion- $4,993,182
App St- $4,219,673
Buffalo- $4,219,474
Louisiana- $4,011,099

FAU- $3,900,435
Charlotte- $3,800,225
UAB- $3,744,679
Ga St- $3,437,221
La Tech- $3,307,481


Percent of Budget Subsidized in 2019

La Tech- 43.92%
So Miss- 44.85%
Marshall- 47.78%

FAU- 57.03%
Louisiana- 57.22%
App St- 57.97%


Ga St- 60.39%
UTSA- 60.87%
Old Dominion- 61.3%
UAB- 63.32%
Charlotte- 68%
North Texas 68.95%
Buffalo- 69.88%





If I get the time I will look up weeks ranked, how many times finished the season ranked, highest rank, winning percentage etc. Not sure when I will have this much time again, but this is how I spent my Labor Day lol

WKU will not be looked at, however we would be towards the top in bball attendance, bball winning % (62%), football winning % (60%) and we've been ranked in football in that time frame as well. However we'd be towards the bottom for football attendance. 03-banghead Being a bball school in a bball state doesn't help with that.
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(09-06-2021 07:50 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Football winning % from 2014-2020

App St 78.2
Marshall 65.4
La Tech 65.0
UAB 64.2
Liberty 56.0
Louisiana 53.8
Southern Miss 52.6
Buffalo 48.6
FAU 47.4
ODU 42.5
North Texas 42.1
UTSA 36.1
Ga St 35.1
Charlotte 31.1
Rice 29.7
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WKU will not be looked at, however we would be towards the top in bball attendance, bball winning % (62%), football winning % (60%) and we've been ranked in football in that time frame as well. However we'd be towards the bottom for football attendance. 03-banghead Being a bball school in a bball state doesn't help with that.
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If it helps...IMO, WKU is the most undervalued athletic program out there. I have no issues sharing a conference with WKU or ODU.
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(09-06-2021 07:50 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  Football winning % from 2014-2020

App St 78.2
Marshall 65.4
La Tech 65.0
UAB 64.2
Liberty 56.0
Louisiana 53.8
Southern Miss 52.6
Buffalo 48.6
FAU 47.4
ODU 42.5
North Texas 42.1
UTSA 36.1
Ga St 35.1
Charlotte 31.1
Rice 29.7


Over the past three years, Louisiana is #2, and Buffalo is #3


3 year AVG WINS/YR

………FB……BB
ASU..11.25…15.7. (App. St.)
ULL…9.93….20.3. (Louisiana)
UB…..9.7…..23.9....(Buffalo)
UAB…9.6…..20.84...(UAB)
MU…..8.7…..20.4.....(Marshall)
LTU….8.2…..22.4...(LA Tech)
LU....8.0.....24.0....(Liberty)


3 year AVG WINS/YR (ROUNDED)

………...FB……BB
ASU..11.2...15.7
ULL….9.9…..20.3
UB…..9.7…..24.0
UAB…9.6…..20.8
MU…..8.7…..20.4
LTU….8.2…..22.4
LU.....8.0....24.0


Rank (wins/3 yrs)

……...FB..BB MEAN RANK
UB…...3.…1………..2.0
ASU...1….7….…….4.0
ULL…..2...6………..4.0
UAB...4.…4………..4.0
LU.....7....1.........4.0
LTU….6.…3…….…..4.5
MU…..5.…5….......5.0

BEST COMBINATION (BY RANK, with emphasis on FB record):

1. BUFFALO (adj. 9.7 FB wins; 23.9 BB wins)
2. APP. STATE (adj. 11 FB wins/yr)
3. LOUISIANA (adj. 9.9 FB wins; 20.3 BB wins)
4. UAB (adj. 9.6 FB wins; 20.8 BB wins)
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So you choose three years as some arbitrary number to fit your agenda? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Trust me, I wanted to include 2013 for Marshall but I didn't because re-alignment didn't finalize until 2014. In 2013 we still had ECU and Tulsa in CUSA and WKU was still in the Sun Belt.

I chose to use the data since the last round of re-alignment which is by far the most fair way to do it. Plus it shows things on a much bigger historical scale. Nice try though.
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(09-07-2021 12:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So you choose three years as some arbitrary number to fit your agenda? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Trust me, I wanted to include 2013 for Marshall but I didn't because re-alignment didn't finalize until 2014. In 2013 we still had ECU and Tulsa in CUSA and WKU was still in the Sun Belt.

I chose to use the data since the last round of re-alignment which is by far the most fair way to do it. Plus it shows things on a much bigger historical scale. Nice try though.

For things like ranking and winning %, roughly 20 years would be more important. 6 years is not enough for a trend, although it would be relevant for many of your other factors.
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(09-07-2021 12:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So you choose three years as some arbitrary number to fit your agenda? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Trust me, I wanted to include 2013 for Marshall but I didn't because re-alignment didn't finalize until 2014. In 2013 we still had ECU and Tulsa in CUSA and WKU was still in the Sun Belt.

I chose to use the data since the last round of re-alignment which is by far the most fair way to do it. Plus it shows things on a much bigger historical scale. Nice try though.

3, 6, 10, 20, 50 years - its all arbitrary. Realignment never "finalized" but it did stall once the CFP began which is how I interpreted your post. It seems you've picked an historical stake in the ground which appears more objective. I do the same thing - I look at success in eras (Pre-AP Poll, AP Poll - I-A/I-AA split, AP Poll - pre-BCS, Championship - BCS/CFP).

That being said, and to the content of the discussion, Marshall should be on the shortlist of AAC candidates. I would have the AAC get back to 12 with Marshall, Rice, Southern Miss, and UAB.
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(09-07-2021 11:09 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(09-07-2021 12:31 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  So you choose three years as some arbitrary number to fit your agenda? Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Trust me, I wanted to include 2013 for Marshall but I didn't because re-alignment didn't finalize until 2014. In 2013 we still had ECU and Tulsa in CUSA and WKU was still in the Sun Belt.

I chose to use the data since the last round of re-alignment which is by far the most fair way to do it. Plus it shows things on a much bigger historical scale. Nice try though.

For things like ranking and winning %, roughly 20 years would be more important. 6 years is not enough for a trend, although it would be relevant for many of your other factors.

I'm perfectly fine with that. I'm sure it would only help Marshall more. I'm not taking the time to do all of that that. I figured 2014 goes back far enough to get a good gauge, and is when the last round of re-alignment took place. I didn't just choose that number randomly. For instance, Marshall won 10 games in 2013, but I didn't go back to 2013 because re-alignment wasn't finished until 2014.
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