(09-16-2021 11:59 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

Wow, how is LA Tech winning anything?

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Because these "budgets" don't mean crap and are not even apples to apples.

Look at App St football....you telling me you would rather have Rice football because their football budget is over $4.5 million more than App St?

(09-16-2021 12:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

Curious where the AAC and MWC fall on this. If largest total budgets correlated exactly to who was picked, I'm wondering if football and or basketball fall along the same lines. i.e. we can prove out whether in fact the SEC and Big 12 cared about how much was spent on soccer and volleyball.

(09-16-2021 12:04 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:50 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:36 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 09:26 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Two things on this:

1) The list above is based on expenditures. Maybe they are saying that they pay out more than they do to athletics, but I doubt it.
2) So you think it's a coincidence that the top 3 teams in terms of spending in the G5 moved up?

Yeah....winning and actual performance had NOTHING to do with it

Being a state school, I’d like to see where UMass falls in your football/basketball budget list on the OP. Do you have that data?

Just added UMASS data to the previous post.

since herdfan has a bias against JMU i'll add ours:


Football - $11,319,596
Men's Hoops - $3,637,194
Women's Hoops - $2,565,200

LOL...its funny and sad that you think I have a bias against an FCS school....you aren't included because you aren't an actual candidate. If you want to do all the work to find the info for your team then please do so and I'll add it in with the rest, but I'm not going to do the work for JMU.

(09-16-2021 12:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

Curious where the AAC and MWC fall on this. If largest total budgets correlated exactly to who was picked, I'm wondering if football and or basketball fall along the same lines. i.e. we can prove out whether in fact the SEC and Big 12 cared about how much was spent on soccer and volleyball.

Football

Temple- $24,282,137
SMU- $21,199,002
Memphis- $20,831,438
UCF- $20,426,060
USF- $19,748,130
Houston- $18,177,111
Cincinnati- $15,782,967
Tulsa- $13,268,287
ECU- $11,992,339
Tulane- $11,899,611


Basketball

Memphis- $11,932,656
Houston- $7,726,259
Wichita St- $7,431,720
SMU- $7,373,594
Temple- $6,432,467
Cincinnati- $6,245,375
UCF- $5,515,278
Tulsa- $5,083,099
USF- $4,982,170
ECU- $3,990,276
Tulane- $3,711,806

(09-16-2021 11:59 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

Wow, how is LA Tech winning anything?

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They always have played to their ceiling. Not many teams can say that. It’s one thing I respect about LaTech. They get the most bang for their buck.

(09-16-2021 02:00 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 12:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

Curious where the AAC and MWC fall on this. If largest total budgets correlated exactly to who was picked, I'm wondering if football and or basketball fall along the same lines. i.e. we can prove out whether in fact the SEC and Big 12 cared about how much was spent on soccer and volleyball.

(09-16-2021 12:04 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:50 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:36 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Yeah....winning and actual performance had NOTHING to do with it

Being a state school, I’d like to see where UMass falls in your football/basketball budget list on the OP. Do you have that data?

Just added UMASS data to the previous post.

since herdfan has a bias against JMU i'll add ours:


Football - $11,319,596
Men's Hoops - $3,637,194
Women's Hoops - $2,565,200

LOL...its funny and sad that you think I have a bias against an FCS school....you aren't included because you aren't an actual candidate. If you want to do all the work to find the info for your team then please do so and I'll add it in with the rest, but I'm not going to do the work for JMU.

Don't hate on JMU. They are a better candidate than half of the CUSA and SBC names that have been thrown around. When they hit FBS, they'll move up real, real fast.

(09-16-2021 07:13 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 02:00 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 12:04 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

Curious where the AAC and MWC fall on this. If largest total budgets correlated exactly to who was picked, I'm wondering if football and or basketball fall along the same lines. i.e. we can prove out whether in fact the SEC and Big 12 cared about how much was spent on soccer and volleyball.

(09-16-2021 12:04 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:50 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:43 AM)esayem Wrote:  Being a state school, I’d like to see where UMass falls in your football/basketball budget list on the OP. Do you have that data?

Just added UMASS data to the previous post.

since herdfan has a bias against JMU i'll add ours:


Football - $11,319,596
Men's Hoops - $3,637,194
Women's Hoops - $2,565,200

LOL...its funny and sad that you think I have a bias against an FCS school....you aren't included because you aren't an actual candidate. If you want to do all the work to find the info for your team then please do so and I'll add it in with the rest, but I'm not going to do the work for JMU.

Don't hate on JMU. They are a better candidate than half of the CUSA and SBC names that have been thrown around. When they hit FBS, they'll move up real, real fast.

To be fair, 1/3rd of CUSA and SBC should be FCS.

As I said a long time ago, none of the MWC teams are leaving for the AAC. So now that it's confirmed I figured this was a good time to bump this thread with relative info.

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

So according to this it should be rice,ODU,UAB,and Liberty. But I'm telling you the big factor is market and who can afford it. ODU has biggest budget.

(10-03-2021 12:31 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  

(09-16-2021 11:47 AM)herdfan129 Wrote:  No one cares how much you spend on soccer, volleyball, diving etc. I say this as someone who loves Marshall soccer and we just won the national championship.

All budget talk is just silly to be honest. But if you want to speak to any budget numbers then focus completely on football and basketball. Once again, these numbers are greatly skewed by the cost of a scholarship, specifically for football because there are so many players. The cost of a "scholarship" at Rice is a lot more than Marshall. So right off the bat, their "budget" is much higher than Marshall or App St etc.

Either way, Liberty is the only one who has a football budget much higher than everyone else.


Football Budgets

Liberty- $15,298,764
Rice- $13,729,316
ODU- $12,279,870
FAU- $12,202,880
UAB- $12,179,203

Louisiana- $11,907,780
North Texas- $10,748,868
Charlotte- $10,614,336
UMASS- $10,196,067
Marshall- $10,175,813
UTSA- $10,150,720

App St- $9,188,013
Buffalo- $8,923,004
Ga St- $8,688,303
La Tech- $8,046,418
So Miss- $7,761,592



Basketball Budgets

UMASS- $4,302,474
UAB- $3,705,028
Charlotte- $3,685,899
Liberty- $3,528,543
ODU- $3,520,745
Rice- $3,277,980
North Texas- $3,029,265

Marshall- $2,993,795
Ga St- $2,628,401
Louisiana- $2,553,140
Buffalo- $2,516,763
La Tech- $2,506,012
UTSA- $2,398,192
FAU- $2,337,677

App St- $1,978,717
So Miss- $1,794,381

So according to this it should be rice,ODU,UAB,and Liberty. But I'm telling you the big factor is market and who can afford it. ODU has biggest budget.

61.3% of ODUs budget is subsidized from the university.
You guys have CRAZY big student fees too.

But also have pretty good ticket sales and donations so idk.

(09-06-2021 04:25 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  
Massey Football Composite Rankings Since 2017 (Courtesy of Banker) (Left over AAC Teams in bold for context)


2017 2018 2019 2020 Average
App St. 55 27 19 30 33
Memphis 24 63 13 46 37
Marshall 67 60 63 50 60
FAU 30 95 29 90 61
SMU 66 98 30 51 61 . . .

Buffalo's rankings weren't included in the rankings list.

Buffalo was #3 in this group (see below).

Massey Football Composite Rankings Since 2017

2017 2018 2019 2020 Average

App St. 55 27 19 30 33
Memphis 24 63 13 46 37
Buffalo: 87 58 61 22 57
Marshall 67 60 63 50 60
FAU 30 95 29 90 61
SMU 66 98 30 51 61
ULL 116 93 31 17 64
Navy 45 103 20 102 68
UAB 97 43 85 47 68
Troy 39 46 105 88 70
Tulane 79 80 50 70 70
Temple 63 55 56 118 73
Ga. Sou 122 49 69 66 77
La Tech 76 86 57 93 78
Ark. St. 86 71 72 100 82
Tulsa 107 111 78 34 83
USF 28 92 97 122 85
Coastal Car 120 104 108 13 86
North Texas 65 69 116 114 91
USM 82 89 84 115 93
WKU 104 118 52 103 94
MTSU 88 68 112 111 95
FIU 83 76 104 125 97
Ga. St 99 122 91 91 101
UTSA 96 123 121 83 106
ULM 110 97 96 127 108
Charlotte 128 102 93 108 108
ECU 109 115 117 97 110
USA 115 119 122 105 115
Rice 127 128 119 98 118
Tx. St. 126 124 120 113 121
ODU 112 116 127 130 121
UTEP 130 130 128 119 127

======================

This is also of interest:

Massey Basketball Composite Rankings Since 2018

#1 Memphis 118 56 53 28 64
#2 Buffalo 61 17 130 91 75
#3 WKU 44 114 109 72 85
#4 SMU 92 117 86 57 88
#5 La Tech 165 140 83 62 112
#6 UAB 117 146 179 84 132
#7 Louisiana 71 164 229 176 144
#8 Coastal 138 169 191 141 160
#9 App State 217 228 180 185 202
#10 FAU 248 180 198 183 202

Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

(09-14-2021 11:35 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 11:17 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:59 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(09-14-2021 10:50 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  One could argue that completely leaving out the MWC skews the numbers in Marshall's favor. But I'm just a guy reading a message board.

That’s assuming MWC schools are willing candidates.

Exactly. And I for one haven’t seen any reliable evidence that any MWC school is interested in jumping to the AAC at this time.

If any such evidence surfaces I’m sure someone will post it here within minutes.

Is there reliable evidence that CUSA and SBC schools are interested, or are we making assumptions there as well?

There's plenty of interest but with the Big 12 still looking to maybe taking at least one if not three more AAC schools. Any decision to join the AAC has to come with a realization that it could all come crashing down. Any Texas schools joining the AAC (really any school west of Louisiana) has to do so with the fact that there's a strong probability that neither SMU nor Memphis may be there in a couple of years later. What does the AAC west have after that? Tulsa and Tulane, neither would be a major draw at the gates, nor be all that close and you gotta believe that tv money would be slashed in half at the least. With the exception of Navy there's no one left to create exciting (to Texas schools at least) match ups should SMU and/or Memphis leave. The only Texas school, IMO, who could withstand that environment would be Rice. If the ponies and tigers leave then at least they have fellow privates who won't look down upon them. The only other school would've been the Air Force Academy since they have very different priorities and outlooks because of their mission. Everybody else, West of Louisiana, would be foolish to join the AAC as a lone invitation.

(10-04-2021 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

App has a very nice 8000 seat arena but there's a reason it's called the Holmes Convocation Center. I get why the football alumni fans don't come up the mount once a week for basketball in winter but you'd think they could get 2k or 3k students to show up. Apps had a few decent teams in the last few years too.

(10-04-2021 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

In 2019, App St., FIU, FAU and UTSA all averaged less than 1300 a game. In the AAC, Tulane is 1457, but everyone else was 3300 or higher. When you look at basketball attendance, Buffalo starts to look better and better. The question is whether they want to move north or stick in the Dallas to Miami to Philadelphia footprint. The two best fits may be UAB and Buffalo. Rice fits, but basketball attendance was only 1818 in 2019 and they have never had much basketball success. The highest basketball attendance among the G3 was ODU at 6,620. Marshall was 2nd at 6,065, WKU at 5,809, then Ohio U at 5,490 then Buffalo 5th at 5,290. The bottom 5 were FIU (994), App St. (1026), NIU (1083), FAU (1190) and Coastal Carolina (1199). UTSA was 6th lowest.

(10-04-2021 11:38 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

App has a very nice 8000 seat arena but there's a reason it's called the Holmes Convocation Center. I get why the football alumni fans don't come up the mount once a week for basketball in winter but you'd think they could get 2k or 3k students to show up. Apps had a few decent teams in the last few years too.

It's no defense of the fans (be they students, alums, or the community,) but Boone during the winter is brutal. Walking down River Street to Holmes means actually walking through a wind tunnel with subfreezing temperatures most days from late November through early April. People generally don't leave their homes for more than they have to during the winter in Boone.

Having said that, fan support has been picking up with our recent NCAA berth and general success under Kerns. That's not saying it is where it needs to be or should be, but saying we have 'terrible' fan support is a bit of an exaggeration, in my opinion. Football drives the ship at App, but basketball is making moves.

Also, it's really important to remember that App one of the few football-first schools in North Carolina. We've built an identity around how strong our football program is, much like ECU. Meanwhile, UNC, Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, and Davidson (and sometimes UNCG, UNCC, and UNCW) have built strong basketball programs with larger fan support. App went in a different direction and captured attention there, while the basketball program lost support to those fans who went and cheered on the Heels or Blue Devils, as they were told to while growing up in NC.

(10-04-2021 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

Thanks. I would think that this automatically removes FAU, FIU, and UTSA as serious AAC candidates. It is a shame because UTSA and FAU have some attributes that would really make them attractive to the American.

I would bet money that Rice is joining the AAC. A Texas team simply has to be added for Navy.

(10-04-2021 11:38 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

App has a very nice 8000 seat arena but there's a reason it's called the Holmes Convocation Center. I get why the football alumni fans don't come up the mount once a week for basketball in winter but you'd think they could get 2k or 3k students to show up. Apps had a few decent teams in the last few years too.

getting student attendance up has to be a priority for the AD. All of what you mention means our attendance is probably capped at 5k. The product getting better is going to help. As good and entertaining as sun belt football has been, the basketball product hasn't been there. We have UNC and DUke on the schedule this year, if we can help ruin one (dare I say, both?) of their coaching farewells, that will go a long way to getting some excitement on the mountain(which already started with the NCAA last year)

(10-05-2021 04:29 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 11:38 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

App has a very nice 8000 seat arena but there's a reason it's called the Holmes Convocation Center. I get why the football alumni fans don't come up the mount once a week for basketball in winter but you'd think they could get 2k or 3k students to show up. Apps had a few decent teams in the last few years too.

getting student attendance up has to be a priority for the AD. All of what you mention means our attendance is probably capped at 5k. The product getting better is going to help. As good and entertaining as sun belt football has been, the basketball product hasn't been there. We have UNC and DUke on the schedule this year, if we can help ruin one (dare I say, both?) of their coaching farewells, that will go a long way to getting some excitement on the mountain(which already started with the NCAA last year)

Playing schools like Memphis, Temple, and Wichita State would help attendance.

(10-05-2021 04:29 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 11:38 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 10:04 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  

(10-04-2021 08:24 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Which of these schools have decent basketball arenas? I know UTSA does not. Are there any other candidates that have such a poor basketball arena that there automatically disqualified from consideration?

These three have basketball arenas that I think would disqualify them: UTSA, FAU, FIU.

I'm not sure about arena, but App St has terrible basketball support and doesn't seem to care about basketball. They average 1,200/game in basketball. I feel like that is going to be hard to overcome in terms of how the AAC schools will perceive them in overall sports. The AAC cares about basketball, and I think they will strongly consider basketball success/support in their decision.

App has a very nice 8000 seat arena but there's a reason it's called the Holmes Convocation Center. I get why the football alumni fans don't come up the mount once a week for basketball in winter but you'd think they could get 2k or 3k students to show up. Apps had a few decent teams in the last few years too.

getting student attendance up has to be a priority for the AD. All of what you mention means our attendance is probably capped at 5k. The product getting better is going to help. As good and entertaining as sun belt football has been, the basketball product hasn't been there. We have UNC and DUke on the schedule this year, if we can help ruin one (dare I say, both?) of their coaching farewells, that will go a long way to getting some excitement on the mountain(which already started with the NCAA last year)

Predicting Hubert’s first season as his last?!?? I suppose if they lost to App St. it might be!

App St. could have a great home court advantage if the mountain folk supported the team like they do football.