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RE: What does the AAC Do??
(10-01-2021 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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While I’m not optimistic this gets ODU into the AAC, the odds of it happening definitely just went up.

I agree. I cant decide if this is good or bad for us. Its good if it gets us in the AAC with ECU, UAB, Temple, Marshall etc. But, it also means the MWC likely wont raid our Texas teams. So If we dont go to the AAC, what we are left behind in will likely be much worse as the AAC will be stuck raiding CUSA east. If they take Marshall, Charlotte and UAB but leave us behind we are screwed, unless CUSA can add JMU and LU.

I think this is bad. I don't think we are getting the AAC invite, and we are going to lose more Eastern teams, and none of the TX teams. This could be the worst case scenario if AAC goes after Eastern CUSA teams, Marshall and So Miss go Sunbelt, and ODU gets left behind.

Could be best case scenario if the end result is an Indy/A10 deal down the road. I'm almost cheering for it.

Yeah, I don't think that is going to happen. I think A10 ship may have sailed, and I don't see our admin taking the leap to Indy.
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(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The only way we get in is politics:

1. Package deal with Charlotte as it was with the A10 flirtation last summer.
2. ECU (and perhaps Temple) to negotiate on our behalf to get us in just like they got us into CUSA.

Yeah, the academics and markets make us a mediocre candidate. Would need politics to bypass that.

On a side note, it's amazing that these people still think the market is going to bring them any money with regards to Georgia State. Couldn't have been a bigger drag in the CAA. Only time we were ever on national TV was against VCU or Bracketbusters. Everything else was regional (MASN/HTS) or local (Sky4) against other VA schools. And Georgia State never gets on TV now in the Sunbelt either.

In the long term you may be correct. However, this is about ESPN's contract with the AAC. It is based on market DMA because ESPN can charge rights fees to the providers based on total households using that provider, even if they don't watch sports.

Even IF we went Indy, we are not going to the A10.
Even IF we offered them something, which we really don't, the A10 no longer accepts programs with football at any level, period.
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Guess we will see how good Wood is at his job when this is all settled. Im rooting for him to pull of something good for us.
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RE: What does the AAC Do??
(10-01-2021 10:57 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
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While I’m not optimistic this gets ODU into the AAC, the odds of it happening definitely just went up.

I agree. I cant decide if this is good or bad for us. Its good if it gets us in the AAC with ECU, UAB, Temple, Marshall etc. But, it also means the MWC likely wont raid our Texas teams. So If we dont go to the AAC, what we are left behind in will likely be much worse as the AAC will be stuck raiding CUSA east. If they take Marshall, Charlotte and UAB but leave us behind we are screwed, unless CUSA can add JMU and LU.

I think this is bad. I don't think we are getting the AAC invite, and we are going to lose more Eastern teams, and none of the TX teams. This could be the worst case scenario if AAC goes after Eastern CUSA teams, Marshall and So Miss go Sunbelt, and ODU gets left behind.

Could be best case scenario if the end result is an Indy/A10 deal down the road. I'm almost cheering for it.

Yeah, I don't think that is going to happen. I think A10 ship may have sailed, and I don't see our admin taking the leap to Indy.

They'd have to do either Indy or back to FCS. Remember, UMass had to go Indy because the MAC was bleeding them dry. Both of which are preferable to the current state, in my opinion. I don't think the A10 ship has sailed. While they hate Wood and he'd probably have to be gone before they'd talk to us again, that is the one conference we actually add any value at all to. I think if we went Indy, we'd eventually get there. Just might have to be somewhere like the CAA for awhile first.
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(10-01-2021 10:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The only way we get in is politics:

1. Package deal with Charlotte as it was with the A10 flirtation last summer.
2. ECU (and perhaps Temple) to negotiate on our behalf to get us in just like they got us into CUSA.

Yeah, the academics and markets make us a mediocre candidate. Would need politics to bypass that.

On a side note, it's amazing that these people still think the market is going to bring them any money with regards to Georgia State. Couldn't have been a bigger drag in the CAA. Only time we were ever on national TV was against VCU or Bracketbusters. Everything else was regional (MASN/HTS) or local (Sky4) against other VA schools. And Georgia State never gets on TV now in the Sunbelt either.

In the long term you may be correct. However, this is about ESPN's contract with the AAC. It is based on market DMA because ESPN can charge rights fees to the providers based on total households using that provider, even if they don't watch sports.

Even IF we went Indy, we are not going to the A10.
Even IF we offered them something, which we really don't, the A10 no longer accepts programs with football at any level, period.

I fail to be convinced that eyes on TVs (demand) isn't the drive for media value. ESPN is already in Atlanta and the multitude of sports they already carry for Atlanta based sports and the demand to watch them means they are already receiving the rights fees. Georgia State gives them no negotiating power with the providers.
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RE: What does the AAC Do??
(10-01-2021 11:06 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(10-01-2021 10:55 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
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(10-01-2021 10:03 AM)monarx Wrote:  I agree. I cant decide if this is good or bad for us. Its good if it gets us in the AAC with ECU, UAB, Temple, Marshall etc. But, it also means the MWC likely wont raid our Texas teams. So If we dont go to the AAC, what we are left behind in will likely be much worse as the AAC will be stuck raiding CUSA east. If they take Marshall, Charlotte and UAB but leave us behind we are screwed, unless CUSA can add JMU and LU.

I think this is bad. I don't think we are getting the AAC invite, and we are going to lose more Eastern teams, and none of the TX teams. This could be the worst case scenario if AAC goes after Eastern CUSA teams, Marshall and So Miss go Sunbelt, and ODU gets left behind.

Could be best case scenario if the end result is an Indy/A10 deal down the road. I'm almost cheering for it.

Yeah, I don't think that is going to happen. I think A10 ship may have sailed, and I don't see our admin taking the leap to Indy.

They'd have to do either Indy or back to FCS. Remember, UMass had to go Indy because the MAC was bleeding them dry. Both of which are preferable to the current state, in my opinion. I don't think the A10 ship has sailed. While they hate Wood and he'd probably have to be gone before they'd talk to us again, that is the one conference we actually add any value at all to. I think if we went Indy, we'd eventually get there. Just might have to be somewhere like the CAA for awhile first.

Why does the A10 hate Wood?
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We should do what every would-be pro franchise in Hampton Roads tried to do: Include Richmond in our market.
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And why would the A10 expand past 14? You know who else has 14 schools? CUSA. Does anyone here want them to get bigger?

Plus at some point private/public and north/south equilibrium factors in. Their last three backfills that are still in the conference were south of the Mason-Dixon (VCU, George Mason, Davidson) and two of them are large publics, both of which run contrary to the private Northeastern core of the conference. So that's a strike against us, but it's largely irrelevant because again, they're as overstuffed at 14 as CUSA is, and they're a lot less likely to lose schools with UConn almost certainly taking the last Big East spot. Plus even if they *did* consider expanding, they're holding out hope that Wichita State will come to its senses and join. 07-coffee3
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(10-01-2021 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The only way we get in is politics:

1. Package deal with Charlotte as it was with the A10 flirtation last summer.
2. ECU (and perhaps Temple) to negotiate on our behalf to get us in just like they got us into CUSA.

Yeah, the academics and markets make us a mediocre candidate. Would need politics to bypass that.

On a side note, it's amazing that these people still think the market is going to bring them any money with regards to Georgia State. Couldn't have been a bigger drag in the CAA. Only time we were ever on national TV was against VCU or Bracketbusters. Everything else was regional (MASN/HTS) or local (Sky4) against other VA schools. And Georgia State never gets on TV now in the Sunbelt either.

In the long term you may be correct. However, this is about ESPN's contract with the AAC. It is based on market DMA because ESPN can charge rights fees to the providers based on total households using that provider, even if they don't watch sports.

Even IF we went Indy, we are not going to the A10.
Even IF we offered them something, which we really don't, the A10 no longer accepts programs with football at any level, period.

I fail to be convinced that eyes on TVs (demand) isn't the drive for media value. ESPN is already in Atlanta and the multitude of sports they already carry for Atlanta based sports and the demand to watch them means they are already receiving the rights fees. Georgia State gives them no negotiating power with the providers.
How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston
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(10-01-2021 12:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The only way we get in is politics:

1. Package deal with Charlotte as it was with the A10 flirtation last summer.
2. ECU (and perhaps Temple) to negotiate on our behalf to get us in just like they got us into CUSA.

Yeah, the academics and markets make us a mediocre candidate. Would need politics to bypass that.

On a side note, it's amazing that these people still think the market is going to bring them any money with regards to Georgia State. Couldn't have been a bigger drag in the CAA. Only time we were ever on national TV was against VCU or Bracketbusters. Everything else was regional (MASN/HTS) or local (Sky4) against other VA schools. And Georgia State never gets on TV now in the Sunbelt either.

In the long term you may be correct. However, this is about ESPN's contract with the AAC. It is based on market DMA because ESPN can charge rights fees to the providers based on total households using that provider, even if they don't watch sports.

Even IF we went Indy, we are not going to the A10.
Even IF we offered them something, which we really don't, the A10 no longer accepts programs with football at any level, period.

I fail to be convinced that eyes on TVs (demand) isn't the drive for media value. ESPN is already in Atlanta and the multitude of sports they already carry for Atlanta based sports and the demand to watch them means they are already receiving the rights fees. Georgia State gives them no negotiating power with the providers.
How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston

ESPN is already in Atlanta and everywhere else. ESPN isn't going to give the AAC more money because they think they can demand more money with Atlanta providers due to the massive demand for televised Georgia State games in Atlanta as the previous post suggested. Braves, Hawks, Falcons, UGA, and maybe Georgia Tech provides some leverage, not Georgia State. ESPN is worried about selling ads, which is driven by ratings. The online streaming makes it more so. Georgia State doesn't help them there. To be fair, neither does ODU or anyone else that may be considered.
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(10-01-2021 12:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The only way we get in is politics:

1. Package deal with Charlotte as it was with the A10 flirtation last summer.
2. ECU (and perhaps Temple) to negotiate on our behalf to get us in just like they got us into CUSA.

Yeah, the academics and markets make us a mediocre candidate. Would need politics to bypass that.

On a side note, it's amazing that these people still think the market is going to bring them any money with regards to Georgia State. Couldn't have been a bigger drag in the CAA. Only time we were ever on national TV was against VCU or Bracketbusters. Everything else was regional (MASN/HTS) or local (Sky4) against other VA schools. And Georgia State never gets on TV now in the Sunbelt either.

In the long term you may be correct. However, this is about ESPN's contract with the AAC. It is based on market DMA because ESPN can charge rights fees to the providers based on total households using that provider, even if they don't watch sports.

Even IF we went Indy, we are not going to the A10.
Even IF we offered them something, which we really don't, the A10 no longer accepts programs with football at any level, period.

I fail to be convinced that eyes on TVs (demand) isn't the drive for media value. ESPN is already in Atlanta and the multitude of sports they already carry for Atlanta based sports and the demand to watch them means they are already receiving the rights fees. Georgia State gives them no negotiating power with the providers.
How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston

ESPN is already in Atlanta and everywhere else. ESPN isn't going to give the AAC more money because they think they can demand more money with Atlanta providers due to the massive demand for televised Georgia State games in Atlanta as the previous post suggested. Braves, Hawks, Falcons, UGA, and maybe Georgia Tech provides some leverage, not Georgia State. ESPN is worried about selling ads, which is driven by ratings. The online streaming makes it more so. Georgia State doesn't help them there. To be fair, neither does ODU or anyone else that may be considered.

The real issue right now is that the contract is such that if the AAC can maintain market equivalency, ESPN cannot renegotiate the payout downward.
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(10-01-2021 12:07 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  And why would the A10 expand past 14? You know who else has 14 schools? CUSA. Does anyone here want them to get bigger?

Plus at some point private/public and north/south equilibrium factors in. Their last three backfills that are still in the conference were south of the Mason-Dixon (VCU, George Mason, Davidson) and two of them are large publics, both of which run contrary to the private Northeastern core of the conference. So that's a strike against us, but it's largely irrelevant because again, they're as overstuffed at 14 as CUSA is, and they're a lot less likely to lose schools with UConn almost certainly taking the last Big East spot. Plus even if they *did* consider expanding, they're holding out hope that Wichita State will come to its senses and join. 07-coffee3

Not sure they would expand beyond 14, but ODU gives the A10 or their members the following:

Reduction in travel for majority of members
Regional TV (DC Region) demand with other members in the DC region
Recruiting interests
Proven strong conference tournament attendance in a regional conference (and this is a big money maker). Also a potential host for future tournaments if new arena comes to fruition. This would dramatically cut down A10 office travel expenses.

I don't think these benefits are relevant to any other conference. I really don't think we have much to offer anyone else other than Temple and ECU, but they are just 2 votes out of 12.

So whether or not they would expand beyond 14, I'd like to be in position for when either SLU and Dayton bolt or Fordham and LaSalle start cutting.
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(10-01-2021 12:44 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  In the long term you may be correct. However, this is about ESPN's contract with the AAC. It is based on market DMA because ESPN can charge rights fees to the providers based on total households using that provider, even if they don't watch sports.

Even IF we went Indy, we are not going to the A10.
Even IF we offered them something, which we really don't, the A10 no longer accepts programs with football at any level, period.

I fail to be convinced that eyes on TVs (demand) isn't the drive for media value. ESPN is already in Atlanta and the multitude of sports they already carry for Atlanta based sports and the demand to watch them means they are already receiving the rights fees. Georgia State gives them no negotiating power with the providers.
How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston

ESPN is already in Atlanta and everywhere else. ESPN isn't going to give the AAC more money because they think they can demand more money with Atlanta providers due to the massive demand for televised Georgia State games in Atlanta as the previous post suggested. Braves, Hawks, Falcons, UGA, and maybe Georgia Tech provides some leverage, not Georgia State. ESPN is worried about selling ads, which is driven by ratings. The online streaming makes it more so. Georgia State doesn't help them there. To be fair, neither does ODU or anyone else that may be considered.

The real issue right now is that the contract is such that if the AAC can maintain market equivalency, ESPN cannot renegotiate the payout downward.
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Have you seen the contract? What, exactly, does it say?
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(10-01-2021 12:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:44 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I fail to be convinced that eyes on TVs (demand) isn't the drive for media value. ESPN is already in Atlanta and the multitude of sports they already carry for Atlanta based sports and the demand to watch them means they are already receiving the rights fees. Georgia State gives them no negotiating power with the providers.
How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston

ESPN is already in Atlanta and everywhere else. ESPN isn't going to give the AAC more money because they think they can demand more money with Atlanta providers due to the massive demand for televised Georgia State games in Atlanta as the previous post suggested. Braves, Hawks, Falcons, UGA, and maybe Georgia Tech provides some leverage, not Georgia State. ESPN is worried about selling ads, which is driven by ratings. The online streaming makes it more so. Georgia State doesn't help them there. To be fair, neither does ODU or anyone else that may be considered.

The real issue right now is that the contract is such that if the AAC can maintain market equivalency, ESPN cannot renegotiate the payout downward.
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Have you seen the contract? What, exactly, does it say?

I have seen part of it. It gives ESPN the right initiate renegotiation if programs leave but wait to determine replacements if any. The wording was such the use of "potential fanbase" which related to market size, and not the actual television viewers was in there somewhere.
I am trying to get that sourced.
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(10-01-2021 12:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:58 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  The only way we get in is politics:

1. Package deal with Charlotte as it was with the A10 flirtation last summer.
2. ECU (and perhaps Temple) to negotiate on our behalf to get us in just like they got us into CUSA.

Yeah, the academics and markets make us a mediocre candidate. Would need politics to bypass that.

On a side note, it's amazing that these people still think the market is going to bring them any money with regards to Georgia State. Couldn't have been a bigger drag in the CAA. Only time we were ever on national TV was against VCU or Bracketbusters. Everything else was regional (MASN/HTS) or local (Sky4) against other VA schools. And Georgia State never gets on TV now in the Sunbelt either.

In the long term you may be correct. However, this is about ESPN's contract with the AAC. It is based on market DMA because ESPN can charge rights fees to the providers based on total households using that provider, even if they don't watch sports.

Even IF we went Indy, we are not going to the A10.
Even IF we offered them something, which we really don't, the A10 no longer accepts programs with football at any level, period.

I fail to be convinced that eyes on TVs (demand) isn't the drive for media value. ESPN is already in Atlanta and the multitude of sports they already carry for Atlanta based sports and the demand to watch them means they are already receiving the rights fees. Georgia State gives them no negotiating power with the providers.
How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston

ESPN is already in Atlanta and everywhere else. ESPN isn't going to give the AAC more money because they think they can demand more money with Atlanta providers due to the massive demand for televised Georgia State games in Atlanta as the previous post suggested. Braves, Hawks, Falcons, UGA, and maybe Georgia Tech provides some leverage, not Georgia State. ESPN is worried about selling ads, which is driven by ratings. The online streaming makes it more so. Georgia State doesn't help them there. To be fair, neither does ODU or anyone else that may be considered.
That is understood, but the AAC can only include a market in their contract if they have a school in the market. That is how these contracts work. It is about the leagues coverage, not ESPN's. That is why the Big10 took in Maryland (gave them DC/Balt) and Rutgers (NY/Newark).
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(10-01-2021 01:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:44 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston

ESPN is already in Atlanta and everywhere else. ESPN isn't going to give the AAC more money because they think they can demand more money with Atlanta providers due to the massive demand for televised Georgia State games in Atlanta as the previous post suggested. Braves, Hawks, Falcons, UGA, and maybe Georgia Tech provides some leverage, not Georgia State. ESPN is worried about selling ads, which is driven by ratings. The online streaming makes it more so. Georgia State doesn't help them there. To be fair, neither does ODU or anyone else that may be considered.

The real issue right now is that the contract is such that if the AAC can maintain market equivalency, ESPN cannot renegotiate the payout downward.
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Have you seen the contract? What, exactly, does it say?

I have seen part of it. It gives ESPN the right initiate renegotiation if programs leave but wait to determine replacements if any. The wording was such the use of "potential fanbase" which related to market size, and not the actual television viewers was in there somewhere.
I am trying to get that sourced.
78, you are correct. Media is moving to impressions away from ratings, so they can include streaming options in the audience delivery metrics. Subscribers of ESPN via cable and satellite viewers has been steadily declining for the last five years.
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(10-01-2021 01:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:44 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:30 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 12:08 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  How are figuring this? Currently the AAC has no school in Atlanta. Bringing in GA State, no matter their relevance in ATL, brings the market into the AAC fold. Total eyes for linear as well as streaming television is what ESPN will be looking at. GA State would help the AAC from a market perspective as would Rice in Houston

ESPN is already in Atlanta and everywhere else. ESPN isn't going to give the AAC more money because they think they can demand more money with Atlanta providers due to the massive demand for televised Georgia State games in Atlanta as the previous post suggested. Braves, Hawks, Falcons, UGA, and maybe Georgia Tech provides some leverage, not Georgia State. ESPN is worried about selling ads, which is driven by ratings. The online streaming makes it more so. Georgia State doesn't help them there. To be fair, neither does ODU or anyone else that may be considered.

The real issue right now is that the contract is such that if the AAC can maintain market equivalency, ESPN cannot renegotiate the payout downward.
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Have you seen the contract? What, exactly, does it say?

I have seen part of it. It gives ESPN the right initiate renegotiation if programs leave but wait to determine replacements if any. The wording was such the use of "potential fanbase" which related to market size, and not the actual television viewers was in there somewhere.
I am trying to get that sourced.

Thanks, not arguing (you clearly know more than I about this) just honestly curious. Especially with ambiguous language such as "potential fanbase". Who determines that, the AAC or ESPN? Does that make Georgia State more attractive than, say, Iowa State? I find that hard to believe. What about someone like Liberty? They are in the middle of nowhere and hated by most, but probably lead everyone outside the P5 in "potential" for a national fanbase.
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Like it or not, our chances are high we will be in the AAC. It makes total sense.
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(10-01-2021 10:30 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  So now we have this.

The AAC is still going to look at market equivalency in order to minimize any reductions in ESPN payouts. Market size is important in this case not because of ratings, but for rights fees. (Cincy is in DMA #36, Houston is in DMA #8, and UCF is DMA #17)
I believe that the presidents will still want to maintain the academic integrity of Carnegie tier 1 or 2 National Research institutions.
Although App brings a #22 DMA and a huge football upside, it is not a Tier 1 or 2 institution, and basketball still matters to the AAC. We'll see.

Some have mentioned jMU as a possible add to the ACC.
I don't think that will happen, for the following reasons:
1. It is FCS, which requires a transition period.
2. It is not a national University.
3. It is in a very small market #176
4. It's airport does not support commercial charters, the nearest being Dulles. This means a visiting team that travels by air must add a 2 (best case) to 3 (Nova traffic) hour bus ride to get to Harrisonburg.
5. I don't believe that JMU will go FBS anytime in the near future, but that is a discussion for another thread.

Most likely
Georgia State is an R1 in #7 (Atlanta)
Rice is an R1 in #8 (Houston)
UAB is an R1 in #45 (Birmingham)

Somewhat less likely
Florida Atlantic is an R2 in #18 (Miami)
Charlotte is an R2 in #22 (Charlotte)
UTSA is an R2 in #31 (San Antonio)
ODU is an R2 in #46 (Norfolk)
Marshall R2 #75 (Huntington)

Outside possibility because of tradition and name recognition but not meeting historical AAC criteria
App State M1 (masters) #22 (Charlotte)

JMU reclasses to R2 and the National grouping in 2022.

KSHD is a 6000 ft runway and has no problem serving A320 and 737 aircraft. See below from 1 hour ago.

https://twitter.com/JMUFootball/status/1...3376055302

JMU's market isn't just Harrisonburg, but we've discussed this over the years.
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(10-01-2021 05:04 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(10-01-2021 10:30 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  So now we have this.

The AAC is still going to look at market equivalency in order to minimize any reductions in ESPN payouts. Market size is important in this case not because of ratings, but for rights fees. (Cincy is in DMA #36, Houston is in DMA #8, and UCF is DMA #17)
I believe that the presidents will still want to maintain the academic integrity of Carnegie tier 1 or 2 National Research institutions.
Although App brings a #22 DMA and a huge football upside, it is not a Tier 1 or 2 institution, and basketball still matters to the AAC. We'll see.

Some have mentioned jMU as a possible add to the ACC.
I don't think that will happen, for the following reasons:
1. It is FCS, which requires a transition period.
2. It is not a national University.
3. It is in a very small market #176
4. It's airport does not support commercial charters, the nearest being Dulles. This means a visiting team that travels by air must add a 2 (best case) to 3 (Nova traffic) hour bus ride to get to Harrisonburg.
5. I don't believe that JMU will go FBS anytime in the near future, but that is a discussion for another thread.

Most likely
Georgia State is an R1 in #7 (Atlanta)
Rice is an R1 in #8 (Houston)
UAB is an R1 in #45 (Birmingham)

Somewhat less likely
Florida Atlantic is an R2 in #18 (Miami)
Charlotte is an R2 in #22 (Charlotte)
UTSA is an R2 in #31 (San Antonio)
ODU is an R2 in #46 (Norfolk)
Marshall R2 #75 (Huntington)

Outside possibility because of tradition and name recognition but not meeting historical AAC criteria
App State M1 (masters) #22 (Charlotte)

JMU reclasses to R2 and the National grouping in 2022.

KSHD is a 6000 ft runway and has no problem serving A320 and 737 aircraft. See below from 1 hour ago.

https://twitter.com/JMUFootball/status/1...3376055302

JMU's market isn't just Harrisonburg, but we've discussed this over the years.

JMU is NOT part of another market as far as media rights fees are concerned, and that is a major part of media contracts.

I understood that JMU's intent to reclassify to a National R2 was part of a plan that began in 2014 and it was hoped that it would come to fruition by 2026. I understand that it has been delayed (at least in part, by Covid), if indeed it happens in the near future at all.
In any event JMU is a Regional M1 right now.

I thought that some div 1 schools use various iterations of the 737 which cannot use your airport. I may be mistaken, but I'll check.

EDIT:
The plane pictured in the tweet appears to be an Airbus 318, so I am not sure what what you intended to prove with that link.
A preferred plane of many Div 1 football programs is the Boeing 737-900, which requires a landing length of 6,800 feet under wet conditions and a takeoff length of 9,700 feet under maximum takeoff weight.
Your airport will not handle that.
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