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RE: 2021 College Football TV Ratings Thread
Link for you, TerryD. Yawnnn.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/fo...817963001/

BTW, you have not seen truly snarky posts from me lately, although Iwokeuplikethis has. He/she can tell you how snarky I can truly get.
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(09-15-2021 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 07:00 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I had expected better numbers for Air Force/Navy and Utah/BYU with these so called “national fan bases” they keep trumpeting about.

The service academies are IMO massively overrated on these forums in terms of appeal. Maybe I'm biased, but I grew up during a time - the 70s and 80s - when the service academies were regarded, in strictly athletic terms, as the weakest of weak sisters in division I football. The fastest way for a major power to get accused of padding its schedule was to play a service academy, and these games had no appeal at all (I was then and still am also aware that in the distant past, before the 1960s, the situation was very different, with Army and Navy sometimes being national powers, but that was way before my time).

So it continues to surprise me when folks say things like "the AAC must do whatever Navy wants to keep them from leaving", as if Navy is the Texas of the AAC or something. Or say that any conference would want to add Army, because of their putative national appeal and the like.

I love and respect the service academies as institutions, but as athletic entities, I see nowhere near the value that some/many around here seem to. Obviously the Army-Navy game has large, and unique, appeal. But after that?

As someone who served, my experience is that most active duty either follow the university they attended (officers who did not go to one of the academies) or the flagship of what ever state they originally come from (enlisted) closest. They follow the academy that is associated with their branch of service secondarily, but there is no crossover (ie. Army soldiers aren’t watching the Air Force Academy and vice-versa).
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RE: 2021 College Football TV Ratings Thread
(09-27-2021 07:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 07:00 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I had expected better numbers for Air Force/Navy and Utah/BYU with these so called “national fan bases” they keep trumpeting about.

The service academies are IMO massively overrated on these forums in terms of appeal. Maybe I'm biased, but I grew up during a time - the 70s and 80s - when the service academies were regarded, in strictly athletic terms, as the weakest of weak sisters in division I football. The fastest way for a major power to get accused of padding its schedule was to play a service academy, and these games had no appeal at all (I was then and still am also aware that in the distant past, before the 1960s, the situation was very different, with Army and Navy sometimes being national powers, but that was way before my time).

So it continues to surprise me when folks say things like "the AAC must do whatever Navy wants to keep them from leaving", as if Navy is the Texas of the AAC or something. Or say that any conference would want to add Army, because of their putative national appeal and the like.

I love and respect the service academies as institutions, but as athletic entities, I see nowhere near the value that some/many around here seem to. Obviously the Army-Navy game has large, and unique, appeal. But after that?

As someone who served, my experience is that most active duty either follow the university they attended (officers who did not go to one of the academies) or the flagship of what ever state they originally come from (enlisted) closest. They follow the academy that is associated with their branch of service secondarily, but there is no crossover (ie. Army soldiers aren’t watching the Air Force Academy and vice-versa).

Agreed.
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RE: 2021 College Football TV Ratings Thread
(09-27-2021 07:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 07:00 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I had expected better numbers for Air Force/Navy and Utah/BYU with these so called “national fan bases” they keep trumpeting about.

The service academies are IMO massively overrated on these forums in terms of appeal. Maybe I'm biased, but I grew up during a time - the 70s and 80s - when the service academies were regarded, in strictly athletic terms, as the weakest of weak sisters in division I football. The fastest way for a major power to get accused of padding its schedule was to play a service academy, and these games had no appeal at all (I was then and still am also aware that in the distant past, before the 1960s, the situation was very different, with Army and Navy sometimes being national powers, but that was way before my time).

So it continues to surprise me when folks say things like "the AAC must do whatever Navy wants to keep them from leaving", as if Navy is the Texas of the AAC or something. Or say that any conference would want to add Army, because of their putative national appeal and the like.

I love and respect the service academies as institutions, but as athletic entities, I see nowhere near the value that some/many around here seem to. Obviously the Army-Navy game has large, and unique, appeal. But after that?

As someone who served, my experience is that most active duty either follow the university they attended (officers who did not go to one of the academies) or the flagship of what ever state they originally come from (enlisted) closest. They follow the academy that is associated with their branch of service secondarily, but there is no crossover (ie. Army soldiers aren’t watching the Air Force Academy and vice-versa).

That makes sense to me. For example, my dad served in the Air Force in the early 1960s and has good personal memories from those years.

But he is a Catholic from Illinois and has been a Notre Dame fan from childhood onwards, and in 50 years of watching college football with him, I have never once heard him evince any interest in Air Force football.
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RE: 2021 College Football TV Ratings Thread
(09-27-2021 08:25 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-27-2021 07:56 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 07:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(09-15-2021 07:00 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I had expected better numbers for Air Force/Navy and Utah/BYU with these so called “national fan bases” they keep trumpeting about.

The service academies are IMO massively overrated on these forums in terms of appeal. Maybe I'm biased, but I grew up during a time - the 70s and 80s - when the service academies were regarded, in strictly athletic terms, as the weakest of weak sisters in division I football. The fastest way for a major power to get accused of padding its schedule was to play a service academy, and these games had no appeal at all (I was then and still am also aware that in the distant past, before the 1960s, the situation was very different, with Army and Navy sometimes being national powers, but that was way before my time).

So it continues to surprise me when folks say things like "the AAC must do whatever Navy wants to keep them from leaving", as if Navy is the Texas of the AAC or something. Or say that any conference would want to add Army, because of their putative national appeal and the like.

I love and respect the service academies as institutions, but as athletic entities, I see nowhere near the value that some/many around here seem to. Obviously the Army-Navy game has large, and unique, appeal. But after that?

As someone who served, my experience is that most active duty either follow the university they attended (officers who did not go to one of the academies) or the flagship of what ever state they originally come from (enlisted) closest. They follow the academy that is associated with their branch of service secondarily, but there is no crossover (ie. Army soldiers aren’t watching the Air Force Academy and vice-versa).

That makes sense to me. For example, my dad served in the Air Force in the early 1960s and has good personal memories from those years.

But he is a Catholic from Illinois and has been a Notre Dame fan from childhood onwards, and in 50 years of watching college football with him, I have never once heard him evince any interest in Air Force football.

The other thing is that school gives the military member who is deployed away from family a connection to home. For example, if you are from Georgia and are stationed at an Air Force Base in Texas, your peers are from elsewhere. It is only natural for that Georgian to embrace the Bulldogs (unless he went to Georgia Tech, then he roots for Tech) so that he he can proclaim bragging rights over his fellow active duty members who are from other parts of the country--- even if the guy never had a particular rooting interest beforehand.
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(09-27-2021 06:58 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Whatever TerryD. I was genuinely curious and surprised that Chicago didn't show up as a top market for the Notre Dame-Wisconsin game, given South Bend's proximity to the Windy City.

It doesn't shock me, but it's not an indictment of ND. In terms of sheer numbers, Chicago is the largest base of ND fans. However, the market is just a lot more fragmented with so many Big Ten alums. So, you rarely see Chicago as a top market on any of these types of college football ratings lists when it's being compared *relatively* to other markets. It's not like Milwaukee (1st place on that list) where Badgers fans are going to completely dominate.

On the flip side, though, remember that the Chicago TV market is absolutely massive. It has about 4 times as many households as the Milwaukee TV market. As a result, it takes a Bears game or Cubs/Bulls/White Sox/Blackhawks playoff game to get a rating that is equivalent to, say, an Ohio State game in Columbus or an Alabama game in Birmingham.
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(09-27-2021 06:58 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Whatever TerryD. I was genuinely curious and surprised that Chicago didn't show up as a top market for the Notre Dame-Wisconsin game, given South Bend's proximity to the Windy City.


For gross numbers Chicago is likely a top market. The posted rating are %.
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1) Notre Dame-Wisconsin: 5.4M FOX Noon EST
2) West Virginia-Oklahoma 4.5M ABC 7:30 EST
3) A&M-Arkansas 4.071M CBS 3:30 EST
4) Tenn-Florida 3.28M ESPN 7:00 EST
5) Rutgers-Michigan 2.806M ABC 3:30 EST

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/
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Last week was not a good week for the Big Ten so I took the week off of my Sports Media Watch summaries.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2021/10...iewership/

"Earlier in the day, FOX averaged a 3.7 and 6.90 million for the top-five clash of Penn State and Iowa — ranking seventh for the season and ninth all-time among games on FOX (excluding bowls and conference championships)."

"ABC drew a 2.6 and 4.63 million for Michigan-Nebraska on Saturday Night Football "

Michigan-Nebraska didn't win its time slot and missed the 5M threshold but still got 4.63M airing against Alabama/Texas A&M which got "8.33 million viewers in the annual primetime edition of the SEC on CBS, ranking second for the season in ratings and viewership behind Georgia-Clemson in week one (4.6, 8.86M)." I'd have to look back at previous years, but I'd find it hard to believe many games would do that well vs. the SEC on CBS prime time game. Maryland-Ohio State on FOX got crushed by Texas-Oklahoma on ABC ("5.94 million"). This is what the Big 12 loses and the SEC gains in a few years.

FOX has wanted to go all in on the noon slot to avoid going head to head with SNF or the SEC on CBS. Well last Saturday they went head to head with the SEC on CBS with a big game (Penn State/Iowa). The result was PSU-Iowa 6.90 million vs. Georgia-Auburn " 4.58 million". If FOX has a great game, they can beat the SEC on CBS or SNF. They don't have to air at noon every week if they don't want to. The big games will sell themselves regardless of time slot. Penn State/Iowa didn't have to be a "Big Nooner" to bring in ratings. If FOX aired Notre Dame/Wisconsin in prime time, they would have crushed ABC (West Virginia/Oklahoma).
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Also from the SMW Weekly Report:

"FOX is now averaging 3.98 million viewers for college football this season, up 30% from 2019 and its best start on record."

I wonder why FOX is doing so well.

Here's all of FOX's games so far, ranked in order of viewers. All are in millions:

Oregon/Ohio State: 7.730
Penn State/Iowa: 6.904
Ohio State/Minnesota: 6.295
Penn State/Wisconsin: 5.409
Notre Dame/Wisconsin: 5.369
Texas A&M/Colorado: 4.502
Michigan/Wisconsin: 4.313
Nebraska/Oklahoma: 4.210
LSU/UCLA: 3.219
Nebraska/Illinois: 3.217
Louisiana/Texas: 2.879
Maryland/Ohio State: 2.788
Oklahoma/Kansas State: 2.616
Iowa State/Baylor: 2.012
USC/Washington State: 1.583
Stanford/USC: 1.441
Utah/USC: 1.376

All five of FOX's over 5 million viewer games were hosted by Big Ten teams, three of them were Big Ten conference games. Of the eight games over 4 million (FOX's average), six were hosted by Big Ten teams, four of them were Big Ten conference games, and seven of them featured a Big Ten team. The least watched Big Ten game (Md/OSU) beat the most watched Big 12 conference game (Okl/KSU) and the most watched Pac 12 conference game (USC/WSU). Sure the Big 12 and Pac 12 can beat the Big 10 when they play the Big 10, SEC, and whatever conference Louisiana is in Rimshot. Iowa State and Baylor isn't beating the Big Ten.

How bad are the Pac-12 conference games been on FOX this year? Last Saturday, College Gameday "averaged 1.85 million viewers". In other words, people would rather watch Lee Corso put on a mascot head than watch a Pac-12 conference game on FOX. What would FOX's average be if they threw the Pac-12 games out (Oregon/Ohio State stays since that's under the Big 10 contract)?
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