(09-05-2021 12:25 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  We could have had 5 on-campus stadiums/arenas last week and it would not have mattered

I agree. Athletic facilities are better than good. We need improved performance in baseball and women’s basketball in particular. We have to increase attendance across the board; only way we can enhance revenues.
Continue to win; that’s the best revenge.

Leadership is and has been good for some time now. Keep doing what we are doing in academics and athletics and we will get to where we want to be. Can’t think short term. This is a long uphill battle.

(09-05-2021 08:41 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Here’s what Memphis needs. Look at what Colorado State invested in.

It's worth pointing out that CSU is not getting invited to the B12. Most reports seem to indicate we were ahead of them for consideration. Tulane also built an OCS eight years ago but aren't even in the conversation.

(09-05-2021 08:41 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Cincy has an OCS.
Houston has an OCS.
UCF has an OCS.
BYU had an OCS.

Memphis….no OCS….seeing a trend?

I do not see a clear trend. Of the 65 non-P5 schools, 52 of them (78%) have on-campus stadiums, including the four you mentioned above and a whole bunch of schools that will never be a target for major-conference expansion. There are many other factors to consider. The schools above also are in larger TV markets than Memphis, have larger enrollments, and larger athletic operating budgets. Your argument for an OCS as the pivotal factor in conference realignment would carry more weight if all things were equal, but they are not.

It's also worth mentioning that of those four schools, only UCF did what you're wanting Memphis to do which is to build its own brand-new OCS instead of remaining in a municipal stadium. And UCF moved from a stadium fifteen miles off campus, not from one two miles away like ours.

(09-05-2021 08:41 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  City of Memphis leadership has played the UofM for decades. Preventing an OCS. Holding them prisoner to a city stadium. City of Memphis leadership has done nothing but run everything about Memphis into the ground. Why does the University not see itself as a separate entity and live for themselves?

Isn't this looking a gift horse in the mouth? The city built a stadium 56 years ago of a size and quality that the university could have never afforded to build at the time. The city has made improvements in the past decade - Tiger Lane, chair backs, new locker rooms, media areas, video board - very much tailored to the university's needs and preferences. It has allowed the university to have a serviceable (if not ideal) stadium without having to finance one through its own limited means.

In what way is the city holding the UofM prisoner to the stadium? For the city government to maintain its municipal stadium - through capital improvements and competitive lease structure - so that its main tenant is convinced to stay, is not "holding prisoner". The city has no power over the university to prevent it from raising money and building a stadium on campus. UofM decision-makers have decided that situation they have with the LB is preferable to investing in a new stadium. Maybe the city keeps the LB deal just good enough to motivate the school not to build its own stadium, but that's entirely different from forcing them not to do so.

People in the Memphis area are loyal to UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Memphis.

(09-05-2021 01:16 PM)blue68 Wrote:  People in the Memphis area are loyal to UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Memphis.

And many are running the city and fricking the univ. Been that way forever. But.....theyll let yall have basketball.

(09-05-2021 01:16 PM)blue68 Wrote:  People in the Memphis area are loyal to UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Memphis.

There certainly are many fans here of utk and Mississippi, nowhere near as many Arky fans

But they are well behind Memphis here, and it is not close

But yes there are some louder ones with that same pitiful agenda of running down both our university and our city for some painful reasons. Don’t be them

(09-05-2021 09:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:42 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  People keep asking for a OCS.
Where would they put it?
Some of y'all act like the University has thousands of acres of unused land.

Been rehashed 1000 times. There is room. Build a 30,000 OCS and if we have a monumental game the liberty bowl aint going nowhere. Hell Tulane did it and they have zero space.

If, by some miracle, we get called up we promise to expand.

I've been to ganes at small FCS schools. Its a ton of fun,more fun than the Liberty bowl or a big SEC venue. Gameday a Nichils State is a blast on campus


You wanna get alums pumping money in? Have them stroll through campus before a game

This shite ain't complicated.

Plus iits a national univ IN Memphis. Not the college of a dangerous dying city in Memphis. Until thinking changes forget a big call up.

Frick it.

I’m sick of the folks who still bash Memphis as a city. There are not too many left because the city has grown by leaps and bounds. Property values are up, education has improved with technology enhancements in public schools and the VERY successful implementation of charter schools where needed, local companies are world class, and new construction downtown is still booming despite the pandemic. This ain’t your granddaddy’s Memphis.

I’d love to see it, and I think it improves our standing. But I don’t see anyway this happens unless wealthy donors pay most of the cost. In other words, we’ll be playing at the Liberty bowl 40 years from now.

OCS would be great but, the liberty bowl works
Play a decent OOC SCHEDULE in the L.B.
or play CUPCAKES in the OCS and see what works better
Remember we played ucla a few yrs ago and WON, Ike brought a posse of 8 for this miserably hot game
Traveled a thousand miles everybody happy and a great crowd, not your 22K CUPCAKE crowd

Actually achieving Carnegie R1 rating is way more important than OCS.

Yes showing investment in facilities is important too, but having an OCS right now wouldn’t have changed how expansion just went down. For now best thing for us is for things to slow down & we are able to achieve the R1 rating before the next round happens.

(09-05-2021 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:14 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:09 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  With fans like ours who needs enemies?

Shere Khuck is no fan of the program.

Nothing anybody has ever posted could be farther from the truth, since reality is exactly the opposite. There is no bigger Tiger fan than him. I've known him personally for years. I've never seen anybody so nervous before every game.

He lives and breathes Tiger football (but not basketball, lol). It's just that he chooses to be a smartass online b/c he thinks it's fun, and he also tends to be pessimistic.

But to say he's not a Tiger fan is total BS. He is only connected to Auburn b/c he's from there, lol. But the dude is 110% Tiger football.

yep, he's a Tiger fan...Auburn Tigers. the Miserables are gonna Miserable. I had a blast yesterday and don't care what conf logo is on the field.

(09-05-2021 10:22 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:42 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  People keep asking for a OCS.
Where would they put it?
Some of y'all act like the University has thousands of acres of unused land.

Been rehashed 1000 times. There is room. Build a 30,000 OCS and if we have a monumental game the liberty bow aubt going nowhere. Hell Tulane did it and they have zero space.

NO THERE IS NOT!!!

You have several places where the FOOTPRINT of a stadium could fit, but there is not the infrastructure to support it.

if that mattered at all Ole Miss' stadium would still only hold 35k.



you just sit your butt in traffic for 2 hours and be glad you got to attend.

(09-05-2021 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:14 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:09 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  With fans like ours who needs enemies?

Shere Khuck is no fan of the program.

Nothing anybody has ever posted could be farther from the truth, since reality is exactly the opposite. There is no bigger Tiger fan than him. I've known him personally for years. I've never seen anybody so nervous before every game.

He lives and breathes Tiger football (but not basketball, lol). It's just that he chooses to be a smartass online b/c he thinks it's fun, and he also tends to be pessimistic.

But to say he's not a Tiger fan is total BS. He is only connected to Auburn b/c he's from there, lol. But the dude is 110% Tiger football.

Is he back this year ... I can't tell what stickers are on the back of our helmets this year ?!?!

(09-05-2021 08:41 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Here’s what Memphis needs. Look at what Colorado State invested in.

• CAPACITY: 36,500
• PREMIUM SEATING: 23 private suites, 884 club seats and 224 loge box seats; sold out in October 2016
• STUDENT SEATING: 10,000 seats on the east side lower bowl
• VIDEOBOARD & RIBBON BOARDS: Main board measures 50.5’ x 84’ (4,242 square feet), largest in the MW and along the Front Range; nearly the size of a basketball court. 1,270 feet of ribbon board around the stadium will display in-game stats, sponsor elements, out-of-town scores and other visual elements to enhance the fan experience.

Cincy has an OCS.
Houston has an OCS.
UCF has an OCS.
BYU had an OCS.

Memphis….no OCS….seeing a trend? But who am I. There are people who make more money and who are worth a lot more money that are making these decisions who obviously no better and realize the untapped potential of the good ole LB.

But but but….we don’t have the money for an OCS….

City of Memphis leadership has played the UofM for decades. Preventing an OCS. Holding them prisoner to a city stadium. City of Memphis leadership has done nothing but run everything about Memphis into the ground. Why does the University not see itself as a separate entity and live for themselves?

Until the University of Memphis puts on its big boy pants and decide to take care of itself we can continue to expect the same results from the same failed actions. But hey let’s keep screaming racism and see how far that gets us.

Here’s what we need:

On Campus Stadiums are a thing

I'm curious ... Do you think an OCS would have gotten us a Big12 invitation ... I don't. We got a gem in my opinion. If it wasn't for lousy reviews from sports writers sitting in our pressbox ... It's great. Seriously,
Do we have a lot of students living in dorms now who would walk over to an OCS if we had one. If so, it sho has changed since I went there. I get the they do we don't concern but that's a ton of cash to spend to get us nothing. And I think I heard we're fixing the pressbox.

(09-05-2021 01:58 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:42 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  People keep asking for a OCS.
Where would they put it?
Some of y'all act like the University has thousands of acres of unused land.

Been rehashed 1000 times. There is room. Build a 30,000 OCS and if we have a monumental game the liberty bowl aint going nowhere. Hell Tulane did it and they have zero space.

If, by some miracle, we get called up we promise to expand.

I've been to ganes at small FCS schools. Its a ton of fun,more fun than the Liberty bowl or a big SEC venue. Gameday a Nichils State is a blast on campus


You wanna get alums pumping money in? Have them stroll through campus before a game

This shite ain't complicated.

Plus iits a national univ IN Memphis. Not the college of a dangerous dying city in Memphis. Until thinking changes forget a big call up.

Frick it.

I’m sick of the folks who still bash Memphis as a city. There are not too many left because the city has grown by leaps and bounds. Property values are up, education has improved with technology enhancements in public schools and the VERY successful implementation of charter schools where needed, local companies are world class, and new construction downtown is still booming despite the pandemic. This ain’t your granddaddy’s Memphis.

that's who he is

a Tiger FOOTBALL fan, a hater of Tiger basketball and pretty much any other sport and thing Memphis offers

the worst of the worst

(09-05-2021 02:25 PM)hk25 Wrote:  Actually achieving Carnegie R1 rating is way more important than OCS.

Yes showing investment in facilities is important too, but having an OCS right now wouldn’t have changed how expansion just went down. For now best thing for us is for things to slow down & we are able to achieve the R1 rating before the next round happens.

Bingo!

It's important to put conference realignment and, more generally, sports into the proper perspective. The main purpose of the university is not to provide sports entertainment to its alumni and community. It is to educate, perform research, and generate knowledge which will contribute a heck of a lot more to the regional economy than sports.

Major conferences are selecting teams based on potential revenue growth, mainly TV revenue, that will accrue to the member institutions by expanding. The biggest strike against the UofM is probably regional economics - it sits in one of the poorest regions of the country and one with stagnant population trends. The revenue growth forecast is pretty shallow. The question is, what will change this trajectory more: the school and its benefactors investing $200M into new classrooms, labs and equipment? Or investing $200M into a football stadium that will get used for 6-7 games per year plus a few smaller events?

(09-05-2021 08:41 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Here’s what Memphis needs. Look at what Colorado State invested in.

• CAPACITY: 36,500
• PREMIUM SEATING: 23 private suites, 884 club seats and 224 loge box seats; sold out in October 2016
• STUDENT SEATING: 10,000 seats on the east side lower bowl
• VIDEOBOARD & RIBBON BOARDS: Main board measures 50.5’ x 84’ (4,242 square feet), largest in the MW and along the Front Range; nearly the size of a basketball court. 1,270 feet of ribbon board around the stadium will display in-game stats, sponsor elements, out-of-town scores and other visual elements to enhance the fan experience.

Cincy has an OCS.
Houston has an OCS.
UCF has an OCS.
BYU had an OCS.

Memphis….no OCS….seeing a trend? But who am I. There are people who make more money and who are worth a lot more money that are making these decisions who obviously no better and realize the untapped potential of the good ole LB.

But but but….we don’t have the money for an OCS….

City of Memphis leadership has played the UofM for decades. Preventing an OCS. Holding them prisoner to a city stadium. City of Memphis leadership has done nothing but run everything about Memphis into the ground. Why does the University not see itself as a separate entity and live for themselves?

Until the University of Memphis puts on its big boy pants and decide to take care of itself we can continue to expect the same results from the same failed actions. But hey let’s keep screaming racism and see how far that gets us.

Here’s what we need:

On Campus Stadiums are a thing

Why let a disappointment go to waste...

Guess you gotta promote what you have always wanted...

the Liberty Bowl has nothing to do with our conference expansion hopes

(09-05-2021 03:22 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 01:58 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:42 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  People keep asking for a OCS.
Where would they put it?
Some of y'all act like the University has thousands of acres of unused land.

Been rehashed 1000 times. There is room. Build a 30,000 OCS and if we have a monumental game the liberty bowl aint going nowhere. Hell Tulane did it and they have zero space.

If, by some miracle, we get called up we promise to expand.

I've been to ganes at small FCS schools. Its a ton of fun,more fun than the Liberty bowl or a big SEC venue. Gameday a Nichils State is a blast on campus


You wanna get alums pumping money in? Have them stroll through campus before a game

This shite ain't complicated.

Plus iits a national univ IN Memphis. Not the college of a dangerous dying city in Memphis. Until thinking changes forget a big call up.

Frick it.

I’m sick of the folks who still bash Memphis as a city. There are not too many left because the city has grown by leaps and bounds. Property values are up, education has improved with technology enhancements in public schools and the VERY successful implementation of charter schools where needed, local companies are world class, and new construction downtown is still booming despite the pandemic. This ain’t your granddaddy’s Memphis.

that's who he is

a Tiger FOOTBALL fan, a hater of Tiger basketball and pretty much any other sport and thing Memphis offers

the worst of the worst

Wrong. The only basketball I've ever watched is Memphis and I want them to win.

I am a Memphis alum, not a city of Memphis native. I enjoyed my time at the univ but I dont ever wanna live in the city. I doubt many of you actually live in the city. I have my perspective on things, my opinion. Piss off alums. Solid strategy.

Carry on though believe whatever you want. Who gives a shite what I think anyway. There is an ignore feature.

Irrelevant nonsense.

(09-05-2021 10:38 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 10:22 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:58 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-05-2021 09:42 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  People keep asking for a OCS.
Where would they put it?
Some of y'all act like the University has thousands of acres of unused land.

Been rehashed 1000 times. There is room. Build a 30,000 OCS and if we have a monumental game the liberty bow aubt going nowhere. Hell Tulane did it and they have zero space.

NO THERE IS NOT!!!

You have several places where the FOOTPRINT of a stadium could fit, but there is not the infrastructure to support it.

Just because a footprint of a structure can be placed somewhere does not mean that it is workable.

You have to take into account utilities, traffic flow, and other parking.

The traffic flow formula says you can expect 1,800 cars per lane per hour(when traffic is flowing smoothly and non-stop).

Almost every street on campus is two lanes and even if you make them one way a single road can only flow around 3,600 cars per hour. 3 people per car on a 36,000 seat arena gives you around 12,000 cars. You're talking about 4 hours to clear traffic IF it was flowing at a normal rate. With the stop and go of traffic, you would be looking at 6 or more hours for traffic in the area to clear.

None of the utilities on campus are capable of handling a large arena that holds 30,000-36,000 people. The Campus is working off a residential-sized utility grid which would have to be upgraded to handle the power needed.

Water and sewage systems would also need to be increased which would require need feeder systems into the campus.

Do you actually think that little utility setup on Zach Curlin could handle the load of an OCS?

Small thinker. Go rebuild a carb. Leave the big stuff to the big thinkers.

How does the little city of Starkville ever have a ballgame? Mules turning a turbine?

I have a card that says I can take a backhoe and dig up the street in front of your house and repair anything that is running under that street.

It wasn't given to me because of my good looks.

I know load capacities and what happens when they are surpassed.