(09-10-2021 08:17 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 06:17 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's a little harsh. I think you're a couple of years from his endgame. With what Paul Johnson left the program, I would have expected any new coach to require 6 years guaranteed so he'd have time to rebuild the program. Yes, some of the losses he's had are awful but you've got to give him time to get a program in place. Swapping out coaches every time you have a bad season only works for Auburn. Most programs need to give coaches time to build unless he's lost the locker room.

Virginia Tech fans were calling for Fuente's job all last season, and now that we were patient 1 more year, we start the season with a top 10 win. It requires an AD with some guts to stand up to a chorus of 'fire the coach' from boosters to really build a program. Geoff Collins may not have been the guy but you have to at least give him a chance.

If you got a good close up look of the NIU game like I did, it's warranted not harsh. A hapless, winless, depleted NIU squad ran circles around Collins' staff in coaching. Just WTF do you think will happen in two weeks against Clemson if "mighty NIU" had too much coaching power to handle? I still say staff changes happen if he loses this weekend, and that's entirely possible. I've seen Kennesaw favored at one casino. If they finish with another <= 4 win campaign the heat will be turned up to inferno for whoever survives into next year.

It may be harsh, it may be accurate. Yes, NIU was awful last year. Are they awful this year? After 1 game, nobody can say with any certainty. This week they take on a beatable Wyoming squad who struggled to get past Montana State. Then they head to the Big House. After that they have a game against BCS Maine and the MAC schedule. They could finish as high as 11-1 and win the MAC. If that is the case, it is not so terrible.

That being said, lose to Kennesaw State and somebody needs to be fired. Maybe not Geoff Collins, but somebody needs to be held accountable.

(09-10-2021 08:55 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:17 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 06:17 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's a little harsh. I think you're a couple of years from his endgame. With what Paul Johnson left the program, I would have expected any new coach to require 6 years guaranteed so he'd have time to rebuild the program. Yes, some of the losses he's had are awful but you've got to give him time to get a program in place. Swapping out coaches every time you have a bad season only works for Auburn. Most programs need to give coaches time to build unless he's lost the locker room.

Virginia Tech fans were calling for Fuente's job all last season, and now that we were patient 1 more year, we start the season with a top 10 win. It requires an AD with some guts to stand up to a chorus of 'fire the coach' from boosters to really build a program. Geoff Collins may not have been the guy but you have to at least give him a chance.

If you got a good close up look of the NIU game like I did, it's warranted not harsh. A hapless, winless, depleted NIU squad ran circles around Collins' staff in coaching. Just WTF do you think will happen in two weeks against Clemson if "mighty NIU" had too much coaching power to handle? I still say staff changes happen if he loses this weekend, and that's entirely possible. I've seen Kennesaw favored at one casino. If they finish with another <= 4 win campaign the heat will be turned up to inferno for whoever survives into next year.

It may be harsh, it may be accurate. Yes, NIU was awful last year. Are they awful this year? After 1 game, nobody can say with any certainty. This week they take on a beatable Wyoming squad who struggled to get past Montana State. Then they head to the Big House. After that they have a game against BCS Maine and the MAC schedule. They could finish as high as 11-1 and win the MAC. If that is the case, it is not so terrible.

That being said, lose to Kennesaw State and somebody needs to be fired. Maybe not Geoff Collins, but somebody needs to be held accountable.

So if NIU can go from 0-6 to 11-1, why can't GT get to 6-6?

My issues is I've seen little development with the talent.
2019 the Offensive playcalling looked like throwing spaghetti against the wall, try everything and see what sticks. 2020 was a lot of the same with a lot of new pieces. 2021... and we're still at that level. At some point you have to put together a real offensive gameplan and use it. I've not seen it yet. It makes me believe that it will never change.
Defense has been... well poor all the way through. You put any kind of hurry-up in and the defense just crumbles.

It really makes me think the coordinators are in over their heads here. It would make sense, they were average G5 coordinators at best and now in a P5 league... well they ain't cutting it.

(09-10-2021 09:57 AM)copycat Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:55 AM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 08:17 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-10-2021 06:17 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  That's a little harsh. I think you're a couple of years from his endgame. With what Paul Johnson left the program, I would have expected any new coach to require 6 years guaranteed so he'd have time to rebuild the program. Yes, some of the losses he's had are awful but you've got to give him time to get a program in place. Swapping out coaches every time you have a bad season only works for Auburn. Most programs need to give coaches time to build unless he's lost the locker room.

Virginia Tech fans were calling for Fuente's job all last season, and now that we were patient 1 more year, we start the season with a top 10 win. It requires an AD with some guts to stand up to a chorus of 'fire the coach' from boosters to really build a program. Geoff Collins may not have been the guy but you have to at least give him a chance.

If you got a good close up look of the NIU game like I did, it's warranted not harsh. A hapless, winless, depleted NIU squad ran circles around Collins' staff in coaching. Just WTF do you think will happen in two weeks against Clemson if "mighty NIU" had too much coaching power to handle? I still say staff changes happen if he loses this weekend, and that's entirely possible. I've seen Kennesaw favored at one casino. If they finish with another <= 4 win campaign the heat will be turned up to inferno for whoever survives into next year.

It may be harsh, it may be accurate. Yes, NIU was awful last year. Are they awful this year? After 1 game, nobody can say with any certainty. This week they take on a beatable Wyoming squad who struggled to get past Montana State. Then they head to the Big House. After that they have a game against BCS Maine and the MAC schedule. They could finish as high as 11-1 and win the MAC. If that is the case, it is not so terrible.

That being said, lose to Kennesaw State and somebody needs to be fired. Maybe not Geoff Collins, but somebody needs to be held accountable.

So if NIU can go from 0-6 to 11-1, why can't GT get to 6-6?

My issues is I've seen little development with the talent.
2019 the Offensive playcalling looked like throwing spaghetti against the wall, try everything and see what sticks. 2020 was a lot of the same with a lot of new pieces. 2021... and we're still at that level. At some point you have to put together a real offensive gameplan and use it. I've not seen it yet. It makes me believe that it will never change.
Defense has been... well poor all the way through. You put any kind of hurry-up in and the defense just crumbles.

It really makes me think the coordinators are in over their heads here. It would make sense, they were average G5 coordinators at best and now in a P5 league... well they ain't cutting it.

For many teams that dont have the kind of depth that a Clemson or Bama or other top 10 schools have, 2020 doesnt really count since so many games were not played because of covid, or there were lots of substitutions. At SU, it really hurt since the team didnt have much depth in the first place and over the course of the season, SU played more true freshmen than any other team in the nation. It may pay a few dividends this season as the team has crazy young depth at almost every position this season. But next season, 2022 is when I expect to really see dividends payoff. The problem is that a lot of other teams may also serous depth and experience in 2022.

(09-10-2021 12:07 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  For many teams that dont have the kind of depth that a Clemson or Bama or other top 10 schools have, 2020 doesnt really count since so many games were not played because of covid, or there were lots of substitutions. At SU, it really hurt since the team didnt have much depth in the first place and over the course of the season, SU played more true freshmen than any other team in the nation. It may pay a few dividends this season as the team has crazy young depth at almost every position this season. But next season, 2022 is when I expect to really see dividends payoff. The problem is that a lot of other teams may also serous depth and experience in 2022.

Ironically, the top teams like Alabama have so much roster churn that they won't benefit from the "super seniors" nearly as much as a team like Syracuse. Will that be enough to completely level the playing field? I doubt it - but it might mean more upsets.

Based on What Todd Stansbury said on 680 the game... Coach Collins is safe even after the NIU loss.

“Obviously, we know this is going to be a process, but I felt like there were a lot of positives (in the game),” Stansbury said Wednesday on his weekly appearance on 680 the Fan. “Obviously dominated them in many, many ways but the way that matters most is ultimately the score on the scoreboard at the end of the game. But when you look at the stat sheet at the end of the game, it’s just a head shaker.”

"Obviously, going from the Paul Johnson system to any other system, we knew was going to take time,” Stansbury said. “But I get it. I understand why people are frustrated. I guarantee you there’s nobody more frustrated than Geoff Collins, his staff and the young men that were out there on Saturday.”

So based on the AD's Comments, Coach Geoff Collins will be back next year. The question is will the entire coaching staff come back after a 1-11 0r 2-10 season? Bottomline is that the tech fans can’t talk about football without mentioning Paul Johnson. They run him down on their mssg board (GT Swarm & Stingtalk) and now the AD denigrates him by reference. I think in 10-15 years Coach Johnsons time at Georgia Tech will be seen as the good old days and what the program “could be.” The main question is how many 3 wins seasons will it take to get a coaching change!

https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/...24D3T3U3E/

FWIW:

AD TStan already has money for the $13M buyout....(He has $50M more than the original $125M AI 2020 goal)

The question becomes does the Donors and others on the "inside" circle demand that part of the $175M be used to buyout ($13M) on Geoff Collins. My guess it will not happen unless they have another coach already lined up (George Godsey, Bill O'Brien, Ken Wisenhunt) FWIW I do not see a scenerio where Tech hires a CPJ disciple as after CPJ dismissal or should I say buyout the Athletics Initiative 2020 exceeded the goal of 125M buy 40%. So fans do not want to watch option football even if it means "winning" Orange Bowls and ACC Titles...

From the article:
As the Athletics Initiative 2020, Georgia Tech athletics three-year, $125-million fundraising initiative, far surpassed its initial goal by raising a total of $175.39 million in gifts and commitments, director of athletics Todd Stansbury announced on Thursday.

https://ramblinwreck.com/georgia-tech-at...p-ai-2020/

(09-17-2021 08:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  FWIW:

AD TStan already has money for the $13M buyout....(He has $50M more than the original $125M AI 2020 goal)

The question becomes does the Donors and others on the "inside" circle demand that part of the $175M be used to buyout ($13M) on Geoff Collins. My guess it will not happen unless they have another coach already lined up (George Godsey, Bill O'Brien, Ken Wisenhunt) FWIW I do not see a scenerio where Tech hires a CPJ disciple as after CPJ dismissal or should I say buyout the Athletics Initiative 2020 exceeded the goal of 125M buy 40%. So fans do not want to watch option football even if it means "winning" Orange Bowls and ACC Titles...

From the article:
As the Athletics Initiative 2020, Georgia Tech athletics three-year, $125-million fundraising initiative, far surpassed its initial goal by raising a total of $175.39 million in gifts and commitments, director of athletics Todd Stansbury announced on Thursday.

https://ramblinwreck.com/georgia-tech-at...p-ai-2020/

O'Brien and Wisenhunt would be great hires. I'm not as familiar with Godsey.

(09-17-2021 09:02 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  O'Brien and Wisenhunt would be great hires. I'm not as familiar with Godsey.

O'Brien and Godsey are also part of the O'Leary tree. O'Brien was the OC under O'Leary after Friedgen left. Godsey was Joe Hamilton's backup QB. He only played 2 seasons but he set school passing records in those seasons and went undefeated against UGAg. He was Tom Brady's QB coach in New England. He's a passing savant. He was the QB for the only time I've seen GT blow out UGAg in my lifetime.

He's not getting fired this season no matter what.

But some more NIU type outcomes and one or both coordinators and some assistants could go.

(09-17-2021 10:44 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 09:02 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  O'Brien and Wisenhunt would be great hires. I'm not as familiar with Godsey.

O'Brien and Godsey are also part of the O'Leary tree. O'Brien was the OC under O'Leary after Friedgen left. Godsey was Joe Hamilton's backup QB. He only played 2 seasons but he set school passing records in those seasons and went undefeated against UGAg. He was Tom Brady's QB coach in New England. He's a passing savant. He was the QB for the only time I've seen GT blow out UGAg in my lifetime.

Yes, I remember seeing Godsey play... but can he coach?

(09-17-2021 11:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Yes, I remember seeing Godsey play... but can he coach?

UCF (2004)
Graduate assistant
UCF (2005–2008)
Quarterbacks coach
UCF (2009–2010)
Running backs coach
New England Patriots (2011)
Offensive assistant
New England Patriots (2012–2013)
Tight ends coach
Houston Texans (2014)
Quarterbacks coach
Houston Texans (2015–2016)
Offensive coordinator
Detroit Lions (2017)
Defensive assistant & special projects
Detroit Lions (2018)
Quarterbacks coach
Miami Dolphins (2019–2020)
Tight ends coach
Miami Dolphins (2021–present)
Co-offensive coordinator / tight ends coach

(09-17-2021 01:35 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-17-2021 11:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Yes, I remember seeing Godsey play... but can he coach?

UCF (2004)
Graduate assistant
UCF (2005–2008)
Quarterbacks coach
UCF (2009–2010)
Running backs coach
New England Patriots (2011)
Offensive assistant
New England Patriots (2012–2013)
Tight ends coach
Houston Texans (2014)
Quarterbacks coach
Houston Texans (2015–2016)
Offensive coordinator
Detroit Lions (2017)
Defensive assistant & special projects
Detroit Lions (2018)
Quarterbacks coach
Miami Dolphins (2019–2020)
Tight ends coach
Miami Dolphins (2021–present)
Co-offensive coordinator / tight ends coach

Hiring a guy who has been a position coach or a coordinator his whole life is a hit or miss affair. Just looking at the experience of SU with guys who have never been a head coach since I have been watching college football we have Paul Pasqualoni who worked out well for about 14 or 15 years, until the game passed him by.
That was a hit. Then there was Greg (Gerg) Robinson who was an D-Coordinator at USC, which was the worst coaching hire in all of college fb, imo. He completely destroyed a once proud fb program. Miss

He was replaced by Doug Marrone who had never been a HC before. He worked out well and almost completely revived the program. I can imagine how things would have been different if he had stayed for 4 or 5 more seasons. He won with mostly NY State talent. Hit
Then there was Scott Shafer who wasnt bad but only mediocre and he was fired prematurely imo. The way that he acted in his last season I was glad he was fired. The guy and his family have no class, at all. undetermined
That brings us to Dino Babers who won big at previous stops with former coaches players and never had to build a program. So it really is a hit or miss thing. To be determined.

Georgia Tech Football has had six Head Coaches since 1987. Below is how they stack up against eacher other.


Rankings By Total Wins
83-60 - Paul Johnson
53-33 - George O'Leary
44-32 - Chan Gailey
31-26 - Bobby Ross
11-19 - Bill Lewis
07-17 - Geoff Collins


Rankings By Total Win %
.612 - George O'Leary
.580 - Paul Johnson
.579 - Chan Gailey
.543 - Bobby Ross
.367 - Bill Lewis
.292 - Geoff Collins


Coaching Awards & Best Seasons
1990 - Bobby Ross - Natty, ACC Coach of the year (Bobby Dodd COY, Sporting News COY, Walter Camp COY, AFCA COY)
1992 - Bill Lewis - 4 wins in league play and beat two top 25 teams (Clemson and NC State)
1998 - Georgia O'leary - Gator Bowl win, ACC Coach of the year (Also won ACC Coach of the year in 2000)
2006 - Chan Gailey - Loss ACC Championship game
2009 & 2014 - Paul Johnson ACC Title (Later revoked) & Orange Bowl Win - ACC Coach of the year both years (also ACC COY in 2008)
2020 - Geoff Collins 3 ACC wins with zero losses to FCS or G5 teams. (COVID Year)

Well that’s quite the contrast.

(09-17-2021 07:28 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Georgia Tech Football has had six Head Coaches since 1987. Below is how they stack up against eacher other.


Rankings By Total Wins
83-60 - Paul Johnson
53-33 - George O'Leary
44-32 - Chan Gailey
31-26 - Bobby Ross
11-19 - Bill Lewis
07-17 - Geoff Collins


Rankings By Total Win %
.612 - George O'Leary
.580 - Paul Johnson
.579 - Chan Gailey
.543 - Bobby Ross
.367 - Bill Lewis
.292 - Geoff Collins


Coaching Awards & Best Seasons
1990 - Bobby Ross - Natty, ACC Coach of the year (Bobby Dodd COY, Sporting News COY, Walter Camp COY, AFCA COY)
1992 - Bill Lewis - 4 wins in league play and beat two top 25 teams (Clemson and NC State)
1998 - Georgia O'leary - Gator Bowl win, ACC Coach of the year (Also won ACC Coach of the year in 2000)
2006 - Chan Gailey - Loss ACC Championship game
2009 & 2014 - Paul Johnson ACC Title (Later revoked) & Orange Bowl Win - ACC Coach of the year both years (also ACC COY in 2008)
2020 - Geoff Collins 3 ACC wins with zero losses to FCS or G5 teams. (COVID Year)

Well we've now seen NIU give up 50 and 63 points since beating GT...

If not Geoff Collins, OC Dave Patenaude is toast.

He nearly got Clemson


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I don’t think Clemson is as good as people think.

(09-18-2021 09:47 PM)techfan4 Wrote:  I don’t think Clemson is as good as people think.

Their defense is good but their offense has real problems.

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I’m not ready to give up on the experiment but I’m okay with him feeling the heat on a game like NIU. Play clock, defensive sub, and timeout snafus are on the coaches and potentially the difference between 1-2 and 3-0.

(09-18-2021 02:44 PM)copycat Wrote:  Well we've now seen NIU give up 50 and 63 points since beating GT...

If not Geoff Collins, OC Dave Patenaude is toast.

I think the next two weeks against UNC and Pitt will tell the story...win both and we sit at 3-2 we might get to six and go bowling and Geoff Collins will be safe.. lose one or both and the team is at 1-4 or 2-3 and the season will be a struggle, not becuase of "lack" of talent, but becuase of poor coaching.