ACC invites WVU. For football the ACC has 3 pods of 5 with a 4-2-2 format

ACC North: BC, Cuse, Pitt, WVU, Lville
ACC central: UVA, V tech, UNC, Duke, NC State
ACC south: Wake, Clemson, G tech, FSU, Miami

The 2 highest rated teams at the end of the season play in the ACC title game. ND will play 5 ACC teams each season and 1 sec crossover game for 6 total. The SEC and ACC will have 1 crossover game for each school, this will include the 4 rivalry games. ESPN ups the ACC contract. For hoops, the ACC goes with 4 pods of 4 and 18 game conference schedule.

BC, Cuse, ND, Pitt
UVA, v tech, UNC, duke
Nc state, wake, WVU, Lville
Clem, gtech, FSU, Miami

Deal accepted Mr. Mouse. Please send the SEC-equivalent annual media disbursements to.........

I’ve stated this could happen especially if the SEC wants to put a stop to this so called alliance. With that said do you really think ESPN who writes the checks for the ACC would allow them to undermine their ultimate plan for college football. This way it gives the SEC the majority vote with a conference that shadows them and would be a perfect fit for scheduling Out if Conference games if need to schedule only P4 schools. I think this happens more so than anything else actually coming to fruition that we’ve heard up to this point. [/align]

Works for Me too. Too much in common not too. I like the idea ND has a crossover SEC game as long as They count as an ACC replacement in the crossover. Already a partial member anyway and wouldn't hurt Them or the ACC credibility. Need ESPN to reup the contract look in adding WVU .

(09-01-2021 02:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Works for Me too. Too much in common not too. I like the idea ND has a crossover SEC game as long as They count as an ACC replacement in the crossover. Already a partial member anyway and wouldn't hurt Them or the ACC credibility. Need ESPN to reup the contract look in adding WVU .

WVU isn't going to give the ACC much of a revenue boost, if any. If you could have your choice of a boost of $1-2 million per team OR a seven year reduction in the length of the contract, which would you take?

(09-03-2021 05:51 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Works for Me too. Too much in common not too. I like the idea ND has a crossover SEC game as long as They count as an ACC replacement in the crossover. Already a partial member anyway and wouldn't hurt Them or the ACC credibility. Need ESPN to reup the contract look in adding WVU .

WVU isn't going to give the ACC much of a revenue boost, if any. If you could have your choice of a boost of $1-2 million per team OR a seven year reduction in the length of the contract, which would you take?

Well I sure wouldn't want a reduction to open the door for raiding the ACC. I would rather add 2 then lose 2 -4

(09-03-2021 05:51 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Works for Me too. Too much in common not too. I like the idea ND has a crossover SEC game as long as They count as an ACC replacement in the crossover. Already a partial member anyway and wouldn't hurt Them or the ACC credibility. Need ESPN to reup the contract look in adding WVU .

WVU isn't going to give the ACC much of a revenue boost, if any. If you could have your choice of a boost of $1-2 million per team OR a seven year reduction in the length of the contract, which would you take?

If this is worked properly, I think you're talking more like +$6M per team... but I agree on the length of the contract - it's too long already!

(09-03-2021 09:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 05:51 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Works for Me too. Too much in common not too. I like the idea ND has a crossover SEC game as long as They count as an ACC replacement in the crossover. Already a partial member anyway and wouldn't hurt Them or the ACC credibility. Need ESPN to reup the contract look in adding WVU .

WVU isn't going to give the ACC much of a revenue boost, if any. If you could have your choice of a boost of $1-2 million per team OR a seven year reduction in the length of the contract, which would you take?

If this is worked properly, I think you're talking more like +$6M per team... but I agree on the length of the contract - it's too long already!

That would mean adding WVU to the ACC is worth $120 million a year to ESPN. I don't think so. Do you think the 'eers are worth more than half the ACC members? That's what it would take to get any per team increase, much less $6 million.

I would rather be part of the Rebel Alliance than The Evil Empire.

(09-03-2021 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 05:51 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Works for Me too. Too much in common not too. I like the idea ND has a crossover SEC game as long as They count as an ACC replacement in the crossover. Already a partial member anyway and wouldn't hurt Them or the ACC credibility. Need ESPN to reup the contract look in adding WVU .

WVU isn't going to give the ACC much of a revenue boost, if any. If you could have your choice of a boost of $1-2 million per team OR a seven year reduction in the length of the contract, which would you take?

If this is worked properly, I think you're talking more like +$6M per team... but I agree on the length of the contract - it's too long already!

That would mean adding WVU to the ACC is worth $120 million a year to ESPN. I don't think so. Do you think the 'eers are worth more than half the ACC members? That's what it would take to get any per team increase, much less $6 million.

I don't think that's the right way to look at it. The question you should ask is, what are ACC rights worth in 2021? Adding WVU simply allows the conference to renegotiate at current market rates.

(09-03-2021 12:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 05:51 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Works for Me too. Too much in common not too. I like the idea ND has a crossover SEC game as long as They count as an ACC replacement in the crossover. Already a partial member anyway and wouldn't hurt Them or the ACC credibility. Need ESPN to reup the contract look in adding WVU .

WVU isn't going to give the ACC much of a revenue boost, if any. If you could have your choice of a boost of $1-2 million per team OR a seven year reduction in the length of the contract, which would you take?

If this is worked properly, I think you're talking more like +$6M per team... but I agree on the length of the contract - it's too long already!

That would mean adding WVU to the ACC is worth $120 million a year to ESPN. I don't think so. Do you think the 'eers are worth more than half the ACC members? That's what it would take to get any per team increase, much less $6 million.

I don't think that's the right way to look at it. The question you should ask is, what are ACC rights worth in 2021? Adding WVU simply allows the conference to renegotiate at current market rates.

So that's a great point. A few questions and comments...
What triggers a renegotiation? Expansion is one such trigger, but the question is how much expansion triggers it? What is the bare minimum? If adding one team is enough, then that's perhaps the best argument for adding WVU or Cincinnati as 15 and stopping there so we don't take on more mouths to feed.

If we do get to reopen the contract, then we should NOT agree to give ESPN exclusive rights again. ESPN's golden child is the SEC. That's clear and the money and prime tv spots show it. The ACC should take part of the rights to CBS (they have openings in a few years), NBC, or Fox. Let them bid and drive the price up. I would not trust ESPN to negotiate in good faith. They've been underpaying the ACC for over a decade and wanting unreasonably long contract terms. The geographic footprint is any tv executive's dream come true, so I'd take our business elsewhere.

I also believe that they have been egregiously underpaying for ACC basketball,which is, by far and away, the best college basketball content in the country. I realize that football still accounts for the majority of the tv money, but the ACC should still be making twice as much from basketball as any other conference. ESPN has also failed to hype the ACC basketball product in the past few years - they should be giving it the same rigor that they give to SEC football. Another network would do much better at this. The ACC needs to yank a portion of the tv rights away from ESPN in the next contract, whenever that is - 2036 or earlier if triggered by expansion.

If the ACC were to add one school for the purpose only of triggering a renegotiation it would not be West Va.

That school would be Cincy, Houston, or TCU. Navy would be a dark horse added for football and a few other sports but not basketball.

All four are academically acceptable. All four cover an urban area where the ACC doesn't have an in-state member even though an adjacent state member may be close.

Any one of the four can be added without creating a massive inner political destabilization. Any one of the four can be added and they not have the expectation of running anything.

If you add Navy you get MD/Del ACCN rates, one extra game with ND, and get to poke UMCP in both eyes.
If you add Cincy you elevate them to a more equal footing with Ohio State, probably enhancing their standing in Ohio and add Ohio ACCN rates.
If you add Houston or TCU you get the Houston or DFW metro, plus ACCN rates, most importantly you get visibility in Texas.

If you add West Va, you are adding a school in shriveling State and a school that sits inside Pitt's DMA. Broadcasts of Va, VT, Pitt, and Louisville already overlap into the West Va "market" which is nothing more than a series of 3 panhandles. While the West Va diaspora is real what do an extra 3-6K tickets sells at UVa, Pitt, Duke, WF, and GT actually do for the Conference? 200-600K a home game, every other year or so? Then there is West Va's academic situation and it's tuition advantage over most ACC schools.

(09-03-2021 02:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If the ACC were to add one school for the purpose only of triggering a renegotiation it would not be West Va.

That school would be Cincy, Houston, or TCU. Navy would be a dark horse added for football and a few other sports but not basketball.

All four are academically acceptable. All four cover an urban area where the ACC doesn't have an in-state member even though an adjacent state member may be close.

Any one of the four can be added without creating a massive inner political destabilization. Any one of the four can be added and they not have the expectation of running anything.

If you add Navy you get MD/Del ACCN rates, one extra game with ND, and get to poke UMCP in both eyes.
If you add Cincy you elevate them to a more equal footing with Ohio State, probably enhancing their standing in Ohio and add Ohio ACCN rates.
If you add Houston or TCU you get the Houston or DFW metro, plus ACCN rates, most importantly you get visibility in Texas.

If you add West Va, you are adding a school in shriveling State and a school that sits inside Pitt's DMA. Broadcasts of Va, VT, Pitt, and Louisville already overlap into the West Va "market" which is nothing more than a series of 3 panhandles. While the West Va diaspora is real what do an extra 3-6K tickets sells at UVa, Pitt, Duke, WF, and GT actually do for the Conference? 200-600K a home game, every other year or so? Then there is West Va's academic situation and it's tuition advantage over most ACC schools.

Agree on all points, but the only WVU wild card is tv ratings. I do hope that we take our rights to market in the future. ESPN hasn't been a great partner.

WVU puts a dagger in Big 12 expansion. Grab UC and You maintain a P4 instead of a P5 serineo as UC and BYU are the prizes. UC and WVU would drop the Big 12 like a rock
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(09-03-2021 05:43 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  WVU puts a dagger in Big 12 expansion. Grab UC and You maintain a P4 instead of a P5 serineo as UC and BYU are the prizes. UC and WVU would drop the Big 12 like a rock
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But wouldn't it be funny if the ACC invited Cincinnati now, which would ruin Big12 expansion and poke WVU in the eye by passing them over yet again. Blue and gold dude would claim that WVU declined the ACC, which is rich even for him

(09-03-2021 02:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If the ACC were to add one school for the purpose only of triggering a renegotiation it would not be West Va.

That school would be Cincy, Houston, or TCU. Navy would be a dark horse added for football and a few other sports but not basketball.

All four are academically acceptable. All four cover an urban area where the ACC doesn't have an in-state member even though an adjacent state member may be close.

Any one of the four can be added without creating a massive inner political destabilization. Any one of the four can be added and they not have the expectation of running anything.

If you add Navy you get MD/Del ACCN rates, one extra game with ND, and get to poke UMCP in both eyes.
If you add Cincy you elevate them to a more equal footing with Ohio State, probably enhancing their standing in Ohio and add Ohio ACCN rates.
If you add Houston or TCU you get the Houston or DFW metro, plus ACCN rates, most importantly you get visibility in Texas.

If you add West Va, you are adding a school in shriveling State and a school that sits inside Pitt's DMA. Broadcasts of Va, VT, Pitt, and Louisville already overlap into the West Va "market" which is nothing more than a series of 3 panhandles. While the West Va diaspora is real what do an extra 3-6K tickets sells at UVa, Pitt, Duke, WF, and GT actually do for the Conference? 200-600K a home game, every other year or so? Then there is West Va's academic situation and it's tuition advantage over most ACC schools.

Good explanation.

WVU is the short term play, but Cincinnati makes move sense long term.
Navy is a wild card type move, but it could work.
TCU or Houston are great adds, but maybe reaching too far?

(09-03-2021 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 02:26 PM)Statefan Wrote:  If the ACC were to add one school for the purpose only of triggering a renegotiation it would not be West Va.

That school would be Cincy, Houston, or TCU. Navy would be a dark horse added for football and a few other sports but not basketball.

All four are academically acceptable. All four cover an urban area where the ACC doesn't have an in-state member even though an adjacent state member may be close.

Any one of the four can be added without creating a massive inner political destabilization. Any one of the four can be added and they not have the expectation of running anything.

If you add Navy you get MD/Del ACCN rates, one extra game with ND, and get to poke UMCP in both eyes.
If you add Cincy you elevate them to a more equal footing with Ohio State, probably enhancing their standing in Ohio and add Ohio ACCN rates.
If you add Houston or TCU you get the Houston or DFW metro, plus ACCN rates, most importantly you get visibility in Texas.

If you add West Va, you are adding a school in shriveling State and a school that sits inside Pitt's DMA. Broadcasts of Va, VT, Pitt, and Louisville already overlap into the West Va "market" which is nothing more than a series of 3 panhandles. While the West Va diaspora is real what do an extra 3-6K tickets sells at UVa, Pitt, Duke, WF, and GT actually do for the Conference? 200-600K a home game, every other year or so? Then there is West Va's academic situation and it's tuition advantage over most ACC schools.

Good explanation.

WVU is the short term play, but Cincinnati makes move sense long term.
Navy is a wild card type move, but it could work.
TCU or Houston are great adds, but maybe reaching too far?

The distance of TCU or Houston is negligible when you consider the distance between BC and Miami. If the B12 goes to 14 Cincy, Houston, UCF, USF, BYU, and likely CSU are off the table and while the ACC is an upgrade - that 14 team B12 or B14 would be pretty stable and without a couple of huge cash machine outliers.

I don't think the ACC loses anything if a 14 school B12 survives.

We have future games scheduled against Cincy, USF, and Texas Tech.

Taking UC now into the ACC would mean the Big 12's only other option would be Memphis or USF as Their only option to add 4 . UC definitely would be a great add to the ACC. If We really wanted to dominate the state of Florida then We also bring in UCF. Adding Them along with FSU, Miami You basically cover the state of Florida fan base, thus viewership vs the SEC only having 1 school there.

WVU or UC would both work.

I wouldn't mind OSU and Kansas.

I don't think it is smart to let your competitor establish a foothold in your territory.