(09-01-2021 02:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  “Within the aac”… paragraph of why it won’t matter “within the aac”

Stop being daft!!

What the hell does sec have to do with this convo

He has been in ultimate framing mode ever since there was the chance at the L8. Anything that doesn't frame up for Houston to go to the Big Xii is ignored. That includes the chance that the AAC is better than what he wants to admit and that Houston and most teams are relatively equal in it.

AAC is highly unlikely to lose 4 schools. The likely range is 1 to 3.

(09-01-2021 09:51 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 02:11 AM)pesik Wrote:  “Within the aac”… paragraph of why it won’t matter “within the aac”

Stop being daft!!

What the hell does sec have to do with this convo

He has been in ultimate framing mode ever since there was the chance at the L8. Anything that doesn't frame up for Houston to go to the Big Xii is ignored. That includes the chance that the AAC is better than what he wants to admit and that Houston and most teams are relatively equal in it.

lol...I dont think there is a single post on this board where I say Houston is probably heading to the Big12. They arent there because I am fully aware that there is a very real chance Houston is going to be sitting in the AAC when this all plays out. Virtually every respectable sports news outlet is now reporting and speculating on Big12 expansion discussions. I live in "Realville" when it comes to this stuff. Nobody doing any actual reporting seriously expects the AAC to swallow the Big12 anymore. Realignment never really changes---its always flows from top to bottom. While we could lose as many as 6 schools---I think Goodknight is correct---it will be 1 to 4 schools---and less than 4 if BYU is involved. BYU would be a no brainer--but as Pony94 pointed out---BYU might very well decline if the remaining Big12 members refuse to commit to another GOR.

(08-31-2021 09:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  No one in this conference has ever referred to any group of teams as "The Big 4".

bull****. ESPN told Aresco, if any one of Memphis, Cincy, UCF or Houston bolted, the terms of the contract would be re-nogotiated. Fact!

Ok bud, live in that world. I look forward to Memphis and ECU in CUSA 4.0 in 2025.

(08-31-2021 09:53 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 07:54 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  No one in this conference has ever referred to any group of teams as "The Big 4".

bull****. ESPN told Aresco, if any one of Memphis, Cincy, UCF or Houston bolted, the terms of the contract would be re-nogotiated. Fact!

I’d like to see a source on that one.

I remember there being a tier system on our first contract and it I cuded Uconn. That tier wasn’t even written by ESPN. It was in a competitors bid. Espn had the option to match that deal or walk away. They matched it but it’s was never ESPNs idea. They never asked for it and I don’t believe anything similar was put into the new deal we are now under.

Here’s what I found on our NEW deal… it’s not a big 4.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.awfulanno...rence.html

The network inserted the clause in case the AAC’s football powerhouse — UCF — left for a bigger conference. Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston and USF also were seen as likely AAC schools to be poached by bigger conferences if realignment took hold again. ESPN inserted the clause as an assurance that it would not be left paying $1 billion to a conference that had lost its highest-rated teams.

(09-01-2021 11:01 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Here’s what I found on our NEW deal… it’s not a big 4.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.awfulanno...rence.html

The network inserted the clause in case the AAC’s football powerhouse — UCF — left for a bigger conference. Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston and USF also were seen as likely AAC schools to be poached by bigger conferences if realignment took hold again. ESPN inserted the clause as an assurance that it would not be left paying $1 billion to a conference that had lost its highest-rated teams.

The composition clause as described gives ESPN maximum flexibility---but the explanation makes it pretty clear some losses were more important to ESPN than others. This discussion has become wrapped up in minutia---but it all started when I suggested that its possible losing the top of the conference might represent more than 50% loss in contract value. In other words---is it actually possible the top half of the conference might be worth more than the bottom half? Frankly---Id be surprised if that wasnt the case in most any conference. Losing the top of CUSA resulted in a loss of around 80% of its media value---so its certainly possible. That said---I dont think we are going to lose all of the top half of our conference like CUSA did.

Again, no one refers to any group of teams in the AAC as "the big four". Inside or out. Just silly.

No specific team is listed to trigger the composition clause. Rather, ANY change in the membership of the AAC would allow ESPN to renegotiate the deal if they chose to do so...

Quote:UConn’s exit triggered a clause in the American’s media-rights agreement allowing ESPN to amend the agreement if a school leaves the league, but AAC commissioner Mike Aresco cautions this is far from a renegotiation.

“Any time a school leaves, you potentially negotiate an adjustment because obviously you lost something,” Aresco told the Orlando Sentinel Thursday.
“We lost one of our teams and right now, we don’t have any intentions of replacing them, at least not for now.

Aresco said most contracts of this nature contain a composition clause that deals with the overall makeup of the league, and when a member school exits the two sides can discuss the impact.

“We’ve got a great relationship with ESPN so we’ll work out some adjustment, but I can’t go into more than that,” he said.

These discussions won’t have an impact on the amount of revenue each of the AAC members would receive, according to Aresco. That number was reportedly about $7 million annually per school.

“No school will end up getting less money than they were going to get originally,” Aresco said. “That typically won’t happen; it’s just a question of what adjustments you make and if you make financial adjustments, it still doesn’t mean anybody is going to get less.”

Orlando Sentinel

(08-31-2021 07:16 PM)Reverend Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 06:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 05:44 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  What if houston,cincinnati,ucf,and Memphis all go? What then? You stay at 7? LOL. Does conference die? I still think it could be good. Would navy stay? What is your thoughts?

The more AAC teams leave the more likely the remaining ask MWC teams to join and form a western wing.

This is more likely to happen than adding teams from CUSA or Sun Belt I know is not what some of you want to hear but is the way things will likely go.

Time will tell who is right.

ROFL....No. SMU, Tulsa and whoever will be in the MWC later that week.

Tulsa won't, but SMU might. Maybe Tulane comes a travel partner? Or UTEP hahaha.

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(08-31-2021 05:50 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Easy

Temple- MAC
Tulane- SBC
USF- Cusa
Tulsa- MWC
SMU- ACC believe it or not
Navy - B1G with ND
ECU- indy with an agreement to play exclusively CUSA and SBC teams. Plus our annual P5 game against a regional foe.

I'd rather be in the Sunbelt than Indy with that ridiculous deal for ECU.

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(08-31-2021 06:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 05:44 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  What if houston,cincinnati,ucf,and Memphis all go? What then? You stay at 7? LOL. Does conference die? I still think it could be good. Would navy stay? What is your thoughts?

The more AAC teams leave the more likely the remaining ask MWC teams to join and form a western wing.

This is more likely to happen than adding teams from CUSA or Sun Belt I know is not what some of you want to hear but is the way things will likely go.

Time will tell who is right.

The more AAC teams that leave the less likely the MWC schools would join.

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(09-01-2021 11:32 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 07:16 PM)Reverend Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 06:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 05:44 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  What if houston,cincinnati,ucf,and Memphis all go? What then? You stay at 7? LOL. Does conference die? I still think it could be good. Would navy stay? What is your thoughts?

The more AAC teams leave the more likely the remaining ask MWC teams to join and form a western wing.

This is more likely to happen than adding teams from CUSA or Sun Belt I know is not what some of you want to hear but is the way things will likely go.

Time will tell who is right.

ROFL....No. SMU, Tulsa and whoever will be in the MWC later that week.

Tulsa won't, but SMU might. Maybe Tulane comes a travel partner? Or UTEP hahaha.

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I don't see SMU going back west either, at least not all the way to the pacific. Something with the front range four could maybe happen, or nix UNM and put UNLV in instead and maybe SMU, Tulsa, Houston might be interested in that with Tulane, Navy, and Rice, frees up a Navy ooc game and AFA, CSU give us a Denver claim, Vegas is easy to get in and out of and goes with the urban schools, Rice adds decent Olympics, is a companion to.the other privates and the two Academies.

UNLV
Wyoming
AFA
Navy/WSU
CSU

Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Rice

Navy is football only, maybe grab St. Louis for an eleventh in basketball/Olympics. Generally high academics, major markets in Denver, Dallas, Houston, Vegas. Smaller but a million plus in New Orleans and Tulsa, possibly St. Louis. Probably a two or three bid conference, decent geography and decent to really good football depending on the year.

This assumes the loss of both Florida's, Temple, Cincy, Memphis, and Boise to the L8

(08-31-2021 07:43 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  Big 4?

UH and UCF have owned us, so no complaints there, but we're 4-3 against UC and 3-3 against Memphis since the AAC began if my math is correct, so a rather interesting thing to say Big 4.

(09-01-2021 12:39 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 11:32 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 07:16 PM)Reverend Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 06:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 05:44 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  What if houston,cincinnati,ucf,and Memphis all go? What then? You stay at 7? LOL. Does conference die? I still think it could be good. Would navy stay? What is your thoughts?

The more AAC teams leave the more likely the remaining ask MWC teams to join and form a western wing.

This is more likely to happen than adding teams from CUSA or Sun Belt I know is not what some of you want to hear but is the way things will likely go.

Time will tell who is right.

ROFL....No. SMU, Tulsa and whoever will be in the MWC later that week.

Tulsa won't, but SMU might. Maybe Tulane comes a travel partner? Or UTEP hahaha.

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I don't see SMU going back west either, at least not all the way to the pacific. Something with the front range four could maybe happen, or nix UNM and put UNLV in instead and maybe SMU, Tulsa, Houston might be interested in that with Tulane, Navy, and Rice, frees up a Navy ooc game and AFA, CSU give us a Denver claim, Vegas is easy to get in and out of and goes with the urban schools, Rice adds decent Olympics, is a companion to.the other privates and the two Academies.

UNLV
Wyoming
AFA
Navy/WSU
CSU

Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Rice

Navy is football only, maybe grab St. Louis for an eleventh in basketball/Olympics. Generally high academics, major markets in Denver, Dallas, Houston, Vegas. Smaller but a million plus in New Orleans and Tulsa, possibly St. Louis. Probably a two or three bid conference, decent geography and decent to really good football depending on the year.

This assumes the loss of both Florida's, Temple, Cincy, Memphis, and Boise to the L8

Why would St Louis leave the A10 for this?

(09-01-2021 12:43 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 12:39 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 11:32 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 07:16 PM)Reverend Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 06:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  The more AAC teams leave the more likely the remaining ask MWC teams to join and form a western wing.

This is more likely to happen than adding teams from CUSA or Sun Belt I know is not what some of you want to hear but is the way things will likely go.

Time will tell who is right.

ROFL....No. SMU, Tulsa and whoever will be in the MWC later that week.

Tulsa won't, but SMU might. Maybe Tulane comes a travel partner? Or UTEP hahaha.

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I don't see SMU going back west either, at least not all the way to the pacific. Something with the front range four could maybe happen, or nix UNM and put UNLV in instead and maybe SMU, Tulsa, Houston might be interested in that with Tulane, Navy, and Rice, frees up a Navy ooc game and AFA, CSU give us a Denver claim, Vegas is easy to get in and out of and goes with the urban schools, Rice adds decent Olympics, is a companion to.the other privates and the two Academies.

UNLV
Wyoming
AFA
Navy/WSU
CSU

Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Rice

Navy is football only, maybe grab St. Louis for an eleventh in basketball/Olympics. Generally high academics, major markets in Denver, Dallas, Houston, Vegas. Smaller but a million plus in New Orleans and Tulsa, possibly St. Louis. Probably a two or three bid conference, decent geography and decent to really good football depending on the year.

This assumes the loss of both Florida's, Temple, Cincy, Memphis, and Boise to the L8

Why would St Louis leave the A10 for this?

Because of travel, because its ten other teams splitting that pie and fighting for the same number of bids instead of thirteen. Because it's a solid academic conference and the money would be better.

Notice I said maybe, it's not the guarenteed acceptance it would be right now with SLU being in the center of WSU, Memphis, Tulsa and Cincy to go with the better overall conference and easy trips to Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans by flight, while still having an eastern presence with Temple, UCF, and USF.

(09-01-2021 12:33 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 06:10 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 05:44 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  What if houston,cincinnati,ucf,and Memphis all go? What then? You stay at 7? LOL. Does conference die? I still think it could be good. Would navy stay? What is your thoughts?

The more AAC teams leave the more likely the remaining ask MWC teams to join and form a western wing.

This is more likely to happen than adding teams from CUSA or Sun Belt I know is not what some of you want to hear but is the way things will likely go.

Time will tell who is right.

The more AAC teams that leave the less likely the MWC schools would join.

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Well since the AAC will lose 1 or at most 3. We won’t have to worry about that.

(09-01-2021 11:22 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  No specific team is listed to trigger the composition clause. Rather, ANY change in the membership of the AAC would allow ESPN to renegotiate the deal if they chose to do so...

Quote:UConn’s exit triggered a clause in the American’s media-rights agreement allowing ESPN to amend the agreement if a school leaves the league, but AAC commissioner Mike Aresco cautions this is far from a renegotiation.

“Any time a school leaves, you potentially negotiate an adjustment because obviously you lost something,” Aresco told the Orlando Sentinel Thursday.
“We lost one of our teams and right now, we don’t have any intentions of replacing them, at least not for now.

Aresco said most contracts of this nature contain a composition clause that deals with the overall makeup of the league, and when a member school exits the two sides can discuss the impact.

“We’ve got a great relationship with ESPN so we’ll work out some adjustment, but I can’t go into more than that,” he said.

These discussions won’t have an impact on the amount of revenue each of the AAC members would receive, according to Aresco. That number was reportedly about $7 million annually per school.

“No school will end up getting less money than they were going to get originally,” Aresco said. “That typically won’t happen; it’s just a question of what adjustments you make and if you make financial adjustments, it still doesn’t mean anybody is going to get less.”

Orlando Sentinel

I mean.... Everybody is talking about the NEXT TV deal for the BigXII being 50% of the current one. What about the current one? If TX/Ok leave in 2022, do the TV powers that host the BigXII media deal have a similar clause?

(09-01-2021 01:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 11:22 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  No specific team is listed to trigger the composition clause. Rather, ANY change in the membership of the AAC would allow ESPN to renegotiate the deal if they chose to do so...

Quote:UConn’s exit triggered a clause in the American’s media-rights agreement allowing ESPN to amend the agreement if a school leaves the league, but AAC commissioner Mike Aresco cautions this is far from a renegotiation.

“Any time a school leaves, you potentially negotiate an adjustment because obviously you lost something,” Aresco told the Orlando Sentinel Thursday.
“We lost one of our teams and right now, we don’t have any intentions of replacing them, at least not for now.

Aresco said most contracts of this nature contain a composition clause that deals with the overall makeup of the league, and when a member school exits the two sides can discuss the impact.

“We’ve got a great relationship with ESPN so we’ll work out some adjustment, but I can’t go into more than that,” he said.

These discussions won’t have an impact on the amount of revenue each of the AAC members would receive, according to Aresco. That number was reportedly about $7 million annually per school.

“No school will end up getting less money than they were going to get originally,” Aresco said. “That typically won’t happen; it’s just a question of what adjustments you make and if you make financial adjustments, it still doesn’t mean anybody is going to get less.”

Orlando Sentinel

I mean.... Everybody is talking about the NEXT TV deal for the BigXII being 50% of the current one. What about the current one? If TX/Ok leave in 2022, do the TV powers that host the BigXII media deal have a similar clause?

Yes, they do and that is one of the dilemmas ESPN has put them in, along with keeping the membership count down making each member individually stronger than they would be in a twelve or fourteen team conference, and the coming NCAA rule changes create a ton of instability for the best positioned party (ESPN over fox, individual conferences) to exploit their advantages for gain.

The composition issue freezes the L8 and gives ESPN/OU/Texas the advantage of deciding when things happen.

The low count makes it easy to convert votes to their side or to play programs against each other with prisoner dilemma (the AAC offer) or to get a few out and be able dissolve it.

The final one means they can influence how the new rules are formed and therefore limit their oppositions advantages or add to their own.

No guarantees in life but they have tilted the board completely in their own direction. In particular by taking Texas/Oklahoma they have Fox's best option in dealing with L8 as the best option for themselves as well. It's quite a little box they have forced the L8 into.

(09-01-2021 12:54 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 12:43 PM)e-parade Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 12:39 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 11:32 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 07:16 PM)Reverend Wrote:  ROFL....No. SMU, Tulsa and whoever will be in the MWC later that week.

Tulsa won't, but SMU might. Maybe Tulane comes a travel partner? Or UTEP hahaha.

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I don't see SMU going back west either, at least not all the way to the pacific. Something with the front range four could maybe happen, or nix UNM and put UNLV in instead and maybe SMU, Tulsa, Houston might be interested in that with Tulane, Navy, and Rice, frees up a Navy ooc game and AFA, CSU give us a Denver claim, Vegas is easy to get in and out of and goes with the urban schools, Rice adds decent Olympics, is a companion to.the other privates and the two Academies.

UNLV
Wyoming
AFA
Navy/WSU
CSU

Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Rice

Navy is football only, maybe grab St. Louis for an eleventh in basketball/Olympics. Generally high academics, major markets in Denver, Dallas, Houston, Vegas. Smaller but a million plus in New Orleans and Tulsa, possibly St. Louis. Probably a two or three bid conference, decent geography and decent to really good football depending on the year.

This assumes the loss of both Florida's, Temple, Cincy, Memphis, and Boise to the L8

Why would St Louis leave the A10 for this?

Because of travel, because its ten other teams splitting that pie and fighting for the same number of bids instead of thirteen. Because it's a solid academic conference and the money would be better.

Notice I said maybe, it's not the guarenteed acceptance it would be right now with SLU being in the center of WSU, Memphis, Tulsa and Cincy to go with the better overall conference and easy trips to Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans by flight, while still having an eastern presence with Temple, UCF, and USF.

The conference you listed out of this:

UNLV
Wyoming
AFA
Navy/WSU
CSU

Tulsa
SMU
Houston
Tulane
Rice


St Louis wouldn't join that. It's not as strong as the A10 is today. Today's AAC might be enticing, but after losing UCONN, and with the very real possibility of at least 1 or 2 of the other top BBall programs leaving it becomes a lot less desirable.

The money wouldn't be better as a non-football member. In that new conference you'd have less money than the AAC does today.