(08-31-2021 11:21 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 10:29 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:54 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 12:51 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 11:48 PM)VCE Wrote:  The remaining 8 should tread carefully with CSU. They aren’t a 2nd in the state school in the manner of OSU or KSU or even Cincy in Ohio. Drive around the Denver metro (Fort Collins is not truly a part of it the way Boulder is) and you’ll see a single CSU logo at something like 17th and Tremont or Glenarm vs CU Denver and the CU med school just east of town which are far more prevalent.

Of the half dozen CSU grads I know, two of them root for the Buffs over the Rams. Fort Collins is a long drive for a football game, as far as the south Denver burbs are from the AFA which offers the occasional better matchup- I saw Notre Dame there a decade ago or so. Random grads from other schools like me who live in Denver have no issue driving the 30-40 minutes to games in Boulder (I go several times a year).

I’d never bother going to a CSU game barring a premier matchup. The new stadium looks fantastic; it’s just a long way from the Denver population base. Most of the northern suburbs are still Boulder and Denver based.

The idea of needing a "bridge" to BYU is dumb. No one in the Big 12 is going to take a covered wagon from Kansas to Provo, so you don't need a fort (heh) in the middle to replenish your supplies of food for the passengers and hay for the horses.

If you want the nicest and newest football stadium among available teams, CSU is it. Breweries, yes, they have some good ones. Mountains, yes, they're close and worth a visit. Any other reasons?

If the argument is potential, or "their program will improve rapidly if you put them in the Big 12", then we could say the same about at least a dozen other teams not in the Big 12's perceived top tier of candidates.

Fort Collins is a great town. Their is very little excitement or spirit about the Rams. I worked for CU for a long time and fan support for the Buffs has really fallen of in the the PAC 12. CU has been losing for a long time and Colorado fans really missed the rivalry with Nebraska. I would say Colorado as a whole mid very “Meh” about college football. It is all about the Broncos and the NFL in Colorado.

True, but Fort Collins has one thing the other expansion candidates don't have...Institutional fit. With CSU and BYU, the Big XII would be as follows.

Flagships: KU, WVU
Land Grants: OSU, ISU, KSU, CSU, Texas Tech*
Religious Private: TCU, Baylor, BYU

* They aren't a classical Land great as established by the Morrill act but are listed as one of the 26 land Grant flagships recognized by the Association of Public and Land-grant Universities. (APLU)

Cincinnati is a member of the APLU as well.

So is NAU

(09-01-2021 12:58 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I don't think Boise St. makes it unless the league gets paid a premium to play late night games. The travel is probably hard to get to and I'm not sure they keep their ranking if they have to play a revamped B12 schedule.

This is where I wouldn't completely dismiss Boise St's chances of being invited, they (and BYU) are ESPN's safety net out west to protect their late night window should they lose some/all of their Pac-12 content in the next media cycle.

The way the B12 approaches expansion is not endearing. Bowlsby and cohorts jerked around the same schools, plus others, five years ago. Expansion prospects don't need to be misled and then humiliated if they are not chosen. It is not a child beauty contest being held at the Lubbock Best Western.
Use some diligency, expediency, and discretion, and if names are being dropped for the media to react, be certain they are solidly on the wish list.
This is the worst conference when it comes to operational affairs.
I know I will receive disagreement, but that's my long-term observation.

Private/Religious Division: BYU, Baylor, TCU, SMU

Land grant: OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, TTech, CSU

Commuter: Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis, UC, WVU

3 division winners plus 1 WC play in a four team tourney for a playoff spot.

(09-01-2021 01:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Land grant: OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, TTech, CSU

KU is not a land-grant institution. It is the state flagship.

(09-01-2021 01:47 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  The way the B12 approaches expansion is not endearing. Bowlsby ...

Bowlsby, I read, was in favor of/leading the last round of expansion-effort. IIARC, ESPN was strongly against, and paid the league more money not to expand.

(09-01-2021 01:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Commuter: Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis, UC, WVU

And WVU is not a commuter school. They are, though, both land-grant and a state flagship institution.

(09-01-2021 01:56 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Private/Religious Division: BYU, Baylor, TCU, SMU

Land grant: OSU, KU, KSU, ISU, TTech, CSU

Commuter: Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis, UC, WVU

3 division winners plus 1 WC play in a four team tourney for a playoff spot.

Cincinnati and UCF have more students living in campus housing than CSU. Speaking for UC it has not been a commuter school in nearly 20 years

(09-01-2021 01:32 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF is not joining any conference as a Football only

They only reasonable football only suggestion is BYU. Everyone else is a laughable suggestion.

(09-01-2021 06:51 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 01:32 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF is not joining any conference as a Football only

They only reasonable football only suggestion is BYU. Everyone else is a laughable suggestion.

BYU is one of the most valuable BB programs and athletic departments among candidates. It would only be reasonable if no Sundays was a non-starter.

Big XII shouldn’t do FB-only with anyone, but if you do it then you maximize value by doing it with a school that has relatively low BB value.

(09-01-2021 06:51 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 01:32 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  UCF is not joining any conference as a Football only

They only reasonable football only suggestion is BYU. Everyone else is a laughable suggestion.

BYU football-only is laughable. Boise State, not so much.

(09-01-2021 01:44 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 12:58 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  I don't think Boise St. makes it unless the league gets paid a premium to play late night games. The travel is probably hard to get to and I'm not sure they keep their ranking if they have to play a revamped B12 schedule.

This is where I wouldn't completely dismiss Boise St's chances of being invited, they (and BYU) are ESPN's safety net out west to protect their late night window should they lose some/all of their Pac-12 content in the next media cycle.

Which would place Boise State in a possible second 2025 or later pair, since ESPN will know by 2024 whether they have half of the PAC-12 rights.

Sign up BYU/UC to keep the Big12 at 10 for whenever OK/TX leave, then keep your powder dry to see whether an opportunity emerges for a second pair that will attract enough media revenue to justify the add.

If a school only makes sense FB-only, then it doesn't make much sense, so move on to a better add. If that gets you to three and then "there is no better add", pick the best two from those three.

(08-30-2021 11:48 PM)VCE Wrote:  The remaining 8 should tread carefully with CSU. They aren’t a 2nd in the state school in the manner of OSU or KSU or even Cincy in Ohio. Drive around the Denver metro (Fort Collins is not truly a part of it the way Boulder is) and you’ll see a single CSU logo at something like 17th and Tremont or Glenarm vs CU Denver and the CU med school just east of town which are far more prevalent.

Of the half dozen CSU grads I know, two of them root for the Buffs over the Rams. Fort Collins is a long drive for a football game, as far as the south Denver burbs are from the AFA which offers the occasional better matchup- I saw Notre Dame there a decade ago or so. Random grads from other schools like me who live in Denver have no issue driving the 30-40 minutes to games in Boulder (I go several times a year).

I’d never bother going to a CSU game barring a premier matchup. The new stadium looks fantastic; it’s just a long way from the Denver population base. Most of the northern suburbs are still Boulder and Denver based.

Revisiting this one, I would think the school’s failed fundraising campaign to build the new stadium and tapping into the state for help may have ended any serious considerations by the conference school presidents. I mean, that is one of those big red flags that when it comes to making the kinds of committments to enhance the conference profile, CSU doesn’t have it.

They’re like Rice and Tulane to me now. I’m sure the presidents want them to be good and worthy, and they will get considered because of their academic reputation, but the collective commitment is simply not there. You can’t let these guys slide in. They’re not good for it.

There’s a reason the group had looked at Air Force football. If the Big XII needs to come back to Colorado, and I don’t know if they do…AFA football-only is the better bet.