(08-29-2021 04:21 PM)Cowboy Frog Wrote:  I have been told by an administrator at Stanford that they cannot accept a University that has “ Faith “ or “ Religion “ in their name .. The “Left “Coast has just moved so far “ left”


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That administrator needs to better explain to you. https://www.baylor.edu/about/index.php?id=88781 This is the issue at Baylor:

The mission of Baylor University is to educate men and women for worldwide leadership and service by integrating academic excellence and Christian commitment within a caring community.
Chartered in 1845 by the Republic of Texas and affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas, Baylor is both the state's oldest institution of higher learning and the world's largest Baptist university. Established to be a servant of the church and of society, Baylor seeks to fulfill its calling through excellence in teaching and research, in scholarship and publication, and in service to the community, both local and global. The vision of its founders and the ongoing commitment of generations of students and scholars are reflected in the motto inscribed on the Baylor seal: Pro Ecclesia, Pro Texana — For Church, For Texas.

Pro Ecclesia.
Baylor is founded on the belief that God's nature is made known through both revealed and discovered truth. Thus, the University derives its understanding of God, humanity and nature from many sources: the person and work of Jesus Christ, the biblical record, and Christian history and tradition, as well as scholarly and artistic endeavors. In its service to the Church, Baylor's pursuit of knowledge is strengthened by the conviction that truth has its ultimate source in God and by a Baptist heritage that champions religious liberty and freedom of conscience. Without imposing religious conformity, Baylor expects the members of its community to support its mission. Affirming the value of intellectually informed faith and religiously informed education, the University seeks to provide an environment that fosters spiritual maturity, strength of character and moral virtue.

Pro Texana.
Integral to its commitment to God and to the church is Baylor's commitment to society. Whereas that society in the mid 1800s was limited to Texas, today Baylor's sphere of influence is indeed the world. The University remains dedicated to the traditional responsibilities of higher education — dissemination of knowledge, transmission of culture, search for new knowledge, and application of knowledge — while recognizing the global proportions these responsibilities have assumed. Moreover, within the context of an ethnically and culturally diverse community, Baylor strives to develop responsible citizens, educated leaders, dedicated scholars and skilled professionals who are sensitive to the needs of a pluralistic society. To those ends, Baylor provides expanded opportunities for civic education and for church and community service at home and abroad.

Pro Ecclesia, Pro Texana.
Baylor University is committed to excellence at the undergraduate, graduate and professional levels. Within the undergraduate programs, the University seeks to familiarize students with the principal bodies of knowledge, cultural viewpoints, belief systems and aesthetic perspectives that affect the world in which they live. Within the graduate and the professional programs, the University provides advanced educational opportunities to develop ethical and capable scholars and practitioners who contribute to their academic disciplines, professional fields and society. Baylor encourages all of its students to cultivate their capacity to think critically, to assess information from a Christian perspective, to arrive at informed and reasoned conclusions, and to become lifelong learners. Beyond the intellectual life, the University pursues the social, physical, ethical and spiritual development of each student.

Aware of its responsibility as the largest Baptist educational institution in the world and as a member of the international community of higher learning, Baylor promotes exemplary teaching, encourages innovative and original research, and supports professional excellence in various specialized disciplines. Advancing the frontiers of knowledge while cultivating a Christian world-view, Baylor holds fast to its original commitment — to build a university that is Pro Ecclesia, Pro Texana.

Biblical Record, Revealed Truth, - this is not science nor the scientific method. These phrases refute science in favor of a religion that reduces the aspect of God down to a man or person sized creature who can't control his temper and makes a lot of mistakes when he is creating, and even makes wagers using the life of poor bastards like Job.

You can follow the example of Jesus. You can believe in God. But the Biblical "Record" is mainly a rip off of the ancient Sumerians combined with a collection of Paul's weird obsessions. "Revealed" truth is a Wal Mart fan exclaiming his team is the best - an opinion.

Stanford's problem with Baylor is not religion, it is religious based hypocrisy passing for religion and passing for science. That becomes the foundation for hypocrisy and a lack of ethics - something Baylor has shown in spades over the decades. And no, just slipping a kid some money or giving him a C he didn't deserve is nothing compared to Baylor's ethical lapses.

It is a BLESSING that Stanford folks are so short sighted …Chris Del CONTE told me once that we should NOT be a part of any conference that isNOT based in Texas ..NOW , I understand what he meant


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(08-29-2021 12:00 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Are the other 7 schools going to quit playing sports if Kansas leaves? The Big 12 will be ‘done’ when the super-majority agree to disband. Even then, there is value is selling off a conference with an auto bid.

Houston may not be keen on joining the Big 12, but does it have a better plan? Would plan A be to poach 5 schools from the XII?? Even if the AAC stood united, BYU and 1 other would join the XII and the AAC would be left as-is.

While I totally understand that the Pac-12 is the wiser path for UH--as a fan--I think I would really enjoy playing regular games against the old SWC foles like Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU. Games against a well known regional school like OSU would be fun as well. No doubt we'd select the Pac12 over te Big12 if we were deciding between the two--but I suspect I'd enjoy Bg12 membership just as much as Pac12 membership. That said---we have no invite to either right now---so its just an irrelevant hypothetical question at this point.

Realignment among the top four appears to be done for the foreseeable future. Everyone else, whether they be Kansas, Houston, or anyone else should just maximize their current value however they can and hunker down to do some brand building. That’ll benefit them both now and in the future should the top dogs have a change of heart.

(08-28-2021 02:51 PM)johnintx Wrote:  I read Jon Wilner's article. Yes, he's as well plugged in as anyone. I, too, believe that Pac officials channel messages through him that they want out. So, I can see where they would be interested in UH.

I'm not a UH fan, but I definitely see their value. UH provides the #8 TV market and a metro area of 7,000,000 people, a hub airport, quality (but not AAU) academics, currently serviceable football with good tradition, and currently great basketball with good tradition. Plus, they sit in the backyard of both the B12 (what's left of it) and the SEC. If the Pac ever expands, they would do well to consider UH.

I can see where Tech/Baylor/TCU wouldn't want another Texas school in the B12. They don't want to share recruiting territory, and see UH as a threat to them. But, I take the opposite view. The new B12 will not have a school south or east of Waco. It will become second banana to the SEC's UT and A&M. There is a metro area of 7M people with little B12 presence next door. Houston becomes even more of a SEC town with UT added to A&M and LSU. The B12 needs UH to maintain some sort of presence in the area with both A&M and UT gone.

It would be ironic if in a couple of years, the Pac came in and took Houston from under the nose of the B12.

Wilner was not speaking for the Pac-12, he was giving his opinion on the best fit. Maybe he has not been down to Houston in a while. I think his instincts on things are really good, but not on this. U of H is not a Pac-12 school. I think they are a perfect fit for a future Big 12. The academics have improved over the years, they are in a large media market and there is football talent all around them. But you don't need to have a team in Houston to recruit talent in the Houston area. Oregon in their 2022 football recruiting class has a has a five-star offensive tackle from Humble and a four star wide receiver from Katy.

Houston always feels like the third most popular college football team in Harris County, behind UT and A&M. I think that is going to be an SEC city in the future. On a side note, I was just down in Houston in July visiting family. The weather and traffic were miserable, as usual. I think Wilner needs to come down to Houston and spend a week there and then ask himself if Houston is a good fit in the Pac-12. I think he will change his mind.

To the contrary, UH fits the Pac-12 culture to a T. It's a large, urban and diverse university and city, improving solid academics, solid (and improving) athletic facilities, solid athletic tradition, etc...

That UH is behind A&M and Texas in Harris County and that you perceive the city has horrible weather and traffic (yeah, as if certain Pac-12 sites don't have issues with hose two, have you been to SoCal away from the coast?) are small demerits if demerits at all.

(08-29-2021 06:47 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  To the contrary, UH fits the Pac-12 culture to a T. It's a large, urban and diverse university and city, improving solid academics, solid (and improving) athletic facilities, solid athletic tradition, etc...

That UH is behind A&M and Texas in Harris County and that you perceive the city has horrible weather and traffic (yeah, as if certain Pac-12 sites don't have issues with hose two, have you been to SoCal away from the coast?) are small demerits if demerits at all.

I concur and i rather see and play teams in our conference than the pac or b-12

UH is more similar to SDSU than it is to Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC or Washington.

That fundamentally excludes them from Pac-12 consideration.

Of note, SDSU is a lot closer and actually owns it's home market.

SDSU? Really?

(08-29-2021 04:39 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Biblical Record, Revealed Truth, - this is not science nor the scientific method. These phrases refute science in favor of a religion that reduces the aspect of God down to a man or person sized creature who can't control his temper and makes a lot of mistakes when he is creating, and even makes wagers using the life of poor bastards like Job.

You can follow the example of Jesus. You can believe in God. But the Biblical "Record" is mainly a rip off of the ancient Sumerians combined with a collection of Paul's weird obsessions. "Revealed" truth is a Wal Mart fan exclaiming his team is the best - an opinion.

Stanford's problem with Baylor is not religion, it is religious based hypocrisy passing for religion and passing for science. That becomes the foundation for hypocrisy and a lack of ethics - something Baylor has shown in spades over the decades. And no, just slipping a kid some money or giving him a C he didn't deserve is nothing compared to Baylor's ethical lapses.

Scientists claimed that a world wide flood never happened in the past. And yet even today, scientists keep finding more and more information proving that a world wide flood did indeed happen, from all over the world. Archeologists claimed Jericho never existed in the past. Wrong again, as today's archaeologists are finding evidence of an actual Jericho that had its walls destroyed by God.
I don't need all of that evidence anyway though, because I know it is true, and I believe the Bible, but it is fascinating to see this evidence is being uncovered and is continuing to be uncovered. But you are correct in that it takes faith to believe the Bible and not science. Faith of a small child, to be exact, and as small as a mustard seed.

A doctor told my mom that it was impossible for her to have a baby before I was born, and yet, here I am talking to you right now. :)

(08-30-2021 12:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Scientists claimed that a world wide flood never happened in the past. And yet even today, scientists keep finding more and more information proving that a world wide flood did indeed happen, from all over the world. Archeologists claimed Jericho never existed in the past. Wrong again, as today's archaeologists are finding evidence of an actual Jericho that had its walls destroyed by God. ...

Be that as it may, whatever of all of that that happened, all happened before watching college sports became a popular pastime in the United States, so it's not entirely clear what it has to do with college football.

Whether Baylor's published principles are right or wrong ... or indeed are or are not the principles by which the institution actually runs its college sports programs ... is not really point where it intersects conference realignment.

The fact that a sufficiently large number of PAC-12 schools would not support inviting Baylor, while when it was a precondition for getting Texas and Texas A&M, a large enough number of Big Eight schools did ... that's more where it intersects conference realignment.

(08-30-2021 01:12 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 12:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Scientists claimed that a world wide flood never happened in the past. And yet even today, scientists keep finding more and more information proving that a world wide flood did indeed happen, from all over the world. Archeologists claimed Jericho never existed in the past. Wrong again, as today's archaeologists are finding evidence of an actual Jericho that had its walls destroyed by God. ...

Be that as it may, whatever of all of that that happened, all happened before watching college sports became a popular pastime in the United States, so it's not entirely clear what it has to do with college football.

Whether Baylor's published principles are right or wrong ... or indeed are or are not the principles by which the institution actually runs its college sports programs ... is not really point where it intersects conference realignment.

The fact that a sufficiently large number of PAC-12 schools would not support inviting Baylor, while when it was a precondition for getting Texas and Texas A&M, a large enough number of Big Eight schools did ... that's more where it intersects conference realignment.

I agree with you BruceMcF, but Statefan tried to slam Southern Baptists. I just decided to nicely show him that he is wrong.

This is what I call a slam by a liberal:

Quote:These phrases refute science in favor of a religion that reduces the aspect of God down to a man or person sized creature who can't control his temper and makes a lot of mistakes when he is creating, and even makes wagers using the life of poor bastards like Job.

You can follow the example of Jesus. You can believe in God. But the Biblical "Record" is mainly a rip off of the ancient Sumerians combined with a collection of Paul's weird obsessions. "Revealed" truth is a Wal Mart fan exclaiming his team is the best - an opinion.

It had nothing to do with football whatsoever

(08-30-2021 01:15 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  ...

Quote: These phrases refute science in favor of a religion that reduces the aspect of God down to a man or person sized creature who can't control his temper ...

It had nothing to do with football whatsoever

Yes, that as well. Whether those claims are true or false doesn't affect the score of one college athletic conference or the decision of any conference to invite any school.

I've got Twitter if I want to see people yelling at each other about politics, religion, and whether coal plants should be shut down or kept open. I turn on CSNBBS for the college sports discussion.

The statement discussed in the thread is "PAC Research indicated Houston would be best". If we are only discussing schools in the state of Texas and UT and A&M are off the table, it can certainly be argued that Houston is the "best" of the remaining schools. It doesn't mean the Pac 12 necessarily wants Houston or Houston belongs in the Pac 12 but they are better than the Big 12 and AAC schools in Texas. Texas Tech is in a tiny market. TCU is in a big market but is a small private school. Baylor has both problems. When considering Houston for the Pac 12 or Big 12, Houston is campaigning to be the 4th Texas school in the Big 12 vs. the 1st Texas school in the Pac 12. On the other hand, several Pac 12 schools don't like Houston's academics while Houston's USN&WR ranking (#176) is above several Big 12 members (Oklahoma State, #187, Texas Tech, #217, West Virginia, #241).

(08-30-2021 12:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I don't need all of that evidence anyway though, because I know it is true, and I believe the Bible, but it is fascinating to see this evidence is being uncovered and is continuing to be uncovered. But you are correct in that it takes faith to believe the Bible and not science. Faith of a small child, to be exact, and as small as a mustard seed.

Check your PM’s Dawg