(08-28-2021 01:37 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 12:28 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 12:18 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 11:34 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Agree, but how does its self-interest manifest?

They already own half of the B12 TV rights. They can now renegotiate and get them cheaper, while still having under contract whatever AAC schools move there. They have the AAC rights. Once the top teams here move, they get to renegotiate *those* rights down, and add coverage of more schools under their umbrella.

No one wants the L8, that has become obvious. That does not mean that the B12 is valueless. They will add schools to become more stable. Existing B12 schools will get the OU/UT exit fees. They will get the expansion teams entry fees. Over time I don't doubt that some of the remaining eight will negotiate a move to another conference, but they will negotiate it over time, not quickly in a panic that creates a buyer's market. The teams that leave will use other people's entrance and exit fee money to pay their own exit fees. The teams that are stuck in the B12 and can't move up will get a share of the exit fees and all the entrance fees, including those of teams who have not yet left or been recruited to replace those losses.

B12 takes a hit on their TV rights obviously, but they'll still be getting five to seven million more than the AAC. There will be a power four, then the B12, then the AAC. This is going to happen over years, but they have to get started recruiting replacement teams so that they can give notice to their current conference. 27 months if they come from the AAC, as seems most likely.

Man it would sure be nice if we could discuss AAC business without half of UAB four fans commenting and trying steer every comment on every thread into a what would be a best case scenario for them

The irony of all of this is karma. There was a of smack talk about how CUSA and SBC teams would beg to join the AAC and we would jump off a ledge for an invite. Now AAC teams are doing the same thing except it's the Big 12 doing the issuing and AAC jumping off the ledge for the invite.

Funny how things come full circle.

Its not Karma. Its just how realignment works. The stronger conferences pull the best from the conferences beneath them. The actions of individual schools will tell you which conference is superior. Realignment action defines positions on the conference totem pole better than fan debates on bulletin boards.

I actually think if ESPN and B12 were smart. Grab UCF, Cinci Memphis and Houston. Three strong basketball with the football. Then add BYU and Navy as football only. Two marquee football names. In addition, I would drop to 8 games from 9 allowing for other OOC games like the ACC and SEC.

(08-29-2021 07:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I actually think if ESPN and B12 were smart. Grab UCF, Cinci Memphis and Houston. Three strong basketball with the football. Then add BYU and Navy as football only. Two marquee football names. In addition, I would drop to 8 games from 9 allowing for other OOC games like the ACC and SEC.

I agree, this would be an outstanding conference in both FB and BB. The question is does the B12 have the long term vision to add more than two schools? They don't strike me as a conference with any long term vision at all. It will be interesting to see how all this unfolds.

Right now I do think the ACC, P12 and B10 will control the voting bloc for expansion. B12 is covered to the end of the CFP. Go big and go now. Vote to add them ASAP. I think the name and history with the Big 12 helps. No longer beholding to Texas or OU, you have the 8 votes to do whatever you want. Force OU and Texas in the same division and put them in the east with the new teams. Either the pay to leave or prove they deserve a CFP bid. Provides the new boys a chance to show they can play with them. Especially no bye weeks before playing Navy.

(08-29-2021 07:58 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Right now I do think the ACC, P12 and B10 will control the voting bloc for expansion. B12 is covered to the end of the CFP. Go big and go now. Vote to add them ASAP. I think the name and history with the Big 12 helps. No longer beholding to Texas or OU, you have the 8 votes to do whatever you want. Force OU and Texas in the same division and put them in the east with the new teams. Either the pay to leave or prove they deserve a CFP bid. Provides the new boys a chance to show they can play with them. Especially no bye weeks before playing Navy.

As much as I am for “sticking it to the man,” doing that to Texas and Oklahoma may burn some bridges that the remaining 8 probably don’t want or shouldn’t want to burn.

(08-29-2021 08:35 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 07:58 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Right now I do think the ACC, P12 and B10 will control the voting bloc for expansion. B12 is covered to the end of the CFP. Go big and go now. Vote to add them ASAP. I think the name and history with the Big 12 helps. No longer beholding to Texas or OU, you have the 8 votes to do whatever you want. Force OU and Texas in the same division and put them in the east with the new teams. Either the pay to leave or prove they deserve a CFP bid. Provides the new boys a chance to show they can play with them. Especially no bye weeks before playing Navy.

As much as I am for “sticking it to the man,” doing that to Texas and Oklahoma may burn some bridges that the remaining 8 probably don’t want or shouldn’t want to burn.

Remaining 8 will play nice and take the money and run.

Call me crazy but I still see ESPN pulling a repeat of what they did to the Big East. They will encourage the ACC or Big10 to take one or two schools, thereby applying the coup de grace to the L8. ESPN will get out their contract with them, and the leftovers will be folded into the AAC.

(08-30-2021 11:24 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  Call me crazy but I still see ESPN pulling a repeat of what they did to the Big East. They will encourage the ACC or Big10 to take one or two schools, thereby applying the coup de grace to the L8. ESPN will get out their contract with them, and the leftovers will be folded into the AAC.

Hope you’re right, but I doubt it happens. That would be awesome.

I think the AAC & ESPN had a similar vision when they tried to lure the L8 to the AAC. ESPN was probably willing to go with a new contract more than what the AAC is getting now, but less than what the BIG12 receives. Since the L8 is unwilling to concede anything, you see their commish strike back with empty threats.

(08-30-2021 11:24 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  Call me crazy but I still see ESPN pulling a repeat of what they did to the Big East. They will encourage the ACC or Big10 to take one or two schools, thereby applying the coup de grace to the L8. ESPN will get out their contract with them, and the leftovers will be folded into the AAC.

Last time everyone still joined a gutted BE because of brand name alone. So long as 3 or more B12 members remain seems like the same thing will happen again. This also allows the top schools in the AAC and MW to leave behind consistently low performing schools.

(08-30-2021 11:48 AM)AztecEmpire Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 11:24 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  Call me crazy but I still see ESPN pulling a repeat of what they did to the Big East. They will encourage the ACC or Big10 to take one or two schools, thereby applying the coup de grace to the L8. ESPN will get out their contract with them, and the leftovers will be folded into the AAC.

Last time everyone still joined a gutted BE because of brand name alone. So long as 3 or more B12 members remain seems like the same thing will happen again. This also allows the top schools in the AAC and MW to leave behind consistently low performing schools.

No they joined a 10 team BE, with the C7 and the three left overs. That eventually split and the two sides football and basketball added teams.

(08-27-2021 01:48 PM)knightmite Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 11:55 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  I think they’ll add 4: BYU, UC, UCF, Houston.

I'm not so sure that they want to deal with a religious school and all the scheduling problems. I'd rather see UCF, UC, Houston and Memphis.

Baylor and Texas Christian are religious schools. They have not caused the B12 any problems. What difference would one more make?

(08-29-2021 07:35 PM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 07:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I actually think if ESPN and B12 were smart. Grab UCF, Cinci Memphis and Houston. Three strong basketball with the football. Then add BYU and Navy as football only. Two marquee football names. In addition, I would drop to 8 games from 9 allowing for other OOC games like the ACC and SEC.

I agree, this would be an outstanding conference in both FB and BB. The question is does the B12 have the long term vision to add more than two schools? They don't strike me as a conference with any long term vision at all. It will be interesting to see how all this unfolds.

They cannot expand until Oklahoma and Texas leave if they want to maintain their existing media contract. If Oklahoma and Texas leave (prior to end of 2024-25 season) they could only expand by 2 teams to maintain the current contract, 28 million per team. After 2024-25, they can add as many teams as they want.

(08-30-2021 04:54 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 07:35 PM)sherekhan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 07:06 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I actually think if ESPN and B12 were smart. Grab UCF, Cinci Memphis and Houston. Three strong basketball with the football. Then add BYU and Navy as football only. Two marquee football names. In addition, I would drop to 8 games from 9 allowing for other OOC games like the ACC and SEC.

I agree, this would be an outstanding conference in both FB and BB. The question is does the B12 have the long term vision to add more than two schools? They don't strike me as a conference with any long term vision at all. It will be interesting to see how all this unfolds.

They cannot expand until Oklahoma and Texas leave if they want to maintain their existing media contract. If Oklahoma and Texas leave (prior to end of 2024-25 season) they could only expand by 2 teams to maintain the current contract, 28 million per team. After 2024-25, they can add as many teams as they want.

I mean they can do anything if their media partners are willing to negotiate. Which they will be since they want Texas and OU in their SEC inventory ASAP. I think its likely that ESPN comes to some sort of compromise on a new Big 12 contract in exchange for letting TX and OU out early.