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Exclamation Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
Could relations be so soured between the SEC and the ACC/Big 10/PAC 12 that they are unable to agree on a CFP format and/or a plan to split the revenue from said CFP?

If this were to happen, might we see a return to the polls determining a national champ after the bowls and potentially split titles?
08-26-2021 05:35 PM
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
(A) That won't happen. There will be some kind of playoff.

(B) Not such a bad thing if it did happen. I've said before that the test for any playoff proposal should be whether it is a significant improvement, from the fan point of view, over the 1980s bowls-and-polls system. IMO neither the BCS nor the 4-team CFP passes that test.
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
There is too much money at stake. They will find a compromise.

The CFP is a gold mine.
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
Money.

Thats your answer.
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
(08-26-2021 05:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  (A) That won't happen. There will be some kind of playoff.

(B) Not such a bad thing if it did happen. I've said before that the test for any playoff proposal should be whether it is a significant improvement, from the fan point of view, over the 1980s bowls-and-polls system. IMO neither the BCS nor the 4-team CFP passes that test.

80s and 90s bowl system were the worst. BCS and CFP are 10x better.
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
(08-26-2021 05:48 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  
(08-26-2021 05:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  (A) That won't happen. There will be some kind of playoff.

(B) Not such a bad thing if it did happen. I've said before that the test for any playoff proposal should be whether it is a significant improvement, from the fan point of view, over the 1980s bowls-and-polls system. IMO neither the BCS nor the 4-team CFP passes that test.

80s and 90s bowl system were the worst. BCS and CFP are 10x better.

Not if you wanted the preponderance of Northeast and West Coast sports writers finding picks that sold more papers. It was a beauty pageant plain and simple and one where the judges had some semblance of a personal stake.
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
The SEC has to cave in on the Rose Bowl.

I think it has to expand to 12. Viewer fatigue has set in with Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Oklahoma mostly occupying the slots. They have also titled recruiting and now NIL deals --at least for QB-- too much over everyone else. I say this as a tOSU fan for life, but I realize it is bad for the sport. We need 8 more schools in this, spread the recruiting and the interest around.
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
No matter how bad relations are between conferences, those greedy effers will never forego the cash cow that is the CFP.
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
(08-26-2021 06:27 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  No matter how bad relations are between conferences, those greedy effers will never forego the cash cow that is the CFP.

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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
(08-26-2021 05:35 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Could relations be so soured between the SEC and the ACC/Big 10/PAC 12 that they are unable to agree on a CFP format and/or a plan to split the revenue from said CFP?

If this were to happen, might we see a return to the polls determining a national champ after the bowls and potentially split titles?

Definitely a good question to ask. Not sure there are competing interests at play, though. At worst brusied egos can be salved by $$.

At this point, I'm guessing we see a split CFP contract, at least. Money is enough that everyone will agree to no worse than a return to the BCS, where major bowls give up a #1 or #2 team. Rose will want to double-host every X years as part of their TV package, but I'm not sure that'll happen.

The Power parties seem fine with (multiple) post-bowl rounds, logistically speaking. The neccessity of pre-bowl rounds is the only identifiable issue where the BT/PAC/ACC 'may' disagree with the SEC/XII.
08-27-2021 09:17 AM
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
(08-26-2021 06:19 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The SEC has to cave in on the Rose Bowl.

I think it has to expand to 12. Viewer fatigue has set in with Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Oklahoma mostly occupying the slots. They have also titled recruiting and now NIL deals --at least for QB-- too much over everyone else. I say this as a tOSU fan for life, but I realize it is bad for the sport. We need 8 more schools in this, spread the recruiting and the interest around.

Why?
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RE: Could relations be so soured that there is no CFP after 2025?
There's a ton of posturing right now, whether it's about ensuring that the new CFP contract goes to the open market, protecting the Rose Bowl or maybe wanting guaranteed P5 auto-bids.

However, I've said this before and I'll say it again: I haven't seen anything that indicates that the powers that be actually disagree with the overall 12-team playoff structure itself. Instead, it's about (a) maximizing the money from that structure and (b) issues at the margins (e.g. how the Rose Bowl is treated).

I'm the furthest thing from an SEC apologist, but so many fans are obsessed with the number of at-large bids that the SEC could get in a 12-team playoff that they're missing the forest for the trees. Do you know what would be even worse for fans in other leagues after UT and OU go to the SEC? The current 4-team CFP!!! There will be many more years like 2018 when the SEC gets 2 out of 4 (50%) of the playoff field and shutting out other power conferences (much less the G5 conferences that never had a chance entirely. Any fan of a conference outside of the SEC that doesn't favor this playoff expansion is absolutely nuts IMHO. The SEC is simply a better football league on-the-field right now and they're going to get even better, which means that a smaller playoff field actually *helps* the SEC *relative* to the rest of college football even more than a larger playoff field.

Going back to the Alliance press conference, note that the commissioners of both the Big Ten and Pac-12 unambiguously supported playoff expansion! No one should underestimate how monumental this is here. When the 4-team CFP was formed, you couldn't get anyone from the Big Ten or Pac-12 to go on the record of support a playoff until the day that the CFP was announced.

The expanded playoff WILL happen. It's only a matter of when it happens and how much money is involved.
08-27-2021 09:59 AM
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