(08-29-2021 10:53 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 08:22 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Seems like a waste time of money to give up a headquarters you own to go and buy or rent somewhere where the property values are higher. Strikes me that this is just a way for fat cats in ACC headquarters to give themselves a more posh address.

That's the way I see it. He's used to Chicago, so he wants to move to a bigger city.

FWIW - Although the B1G headquarters are in Chicago, the location is near O’Hare Airport off a major highway. Those headquarters seem utilitarian. Centrally located in a transportation hub…enabling the job of a conference office. The commissioner and their staff are supposed to be traveling and be easily accessible. Networking to share best practices and improve relationships.

Greensboro is a beautiful town with a historic country club. It’s very welcoming to the seven schools that are within a reasonable driving distance. Not sure that it makes sense for a conference office that now leads collegiate athletics across 15 universities. Although the location is not a huge deal, moving the offices to Raleigh, Charlotte or NoVa would be a healthy change.

(08-29-2021 11:21 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 03:00 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 01:48 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 08:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  North Carolina is THE flagship program of the ACC. Nothing else matters. Where my cheese at, FSU grad?

That claim can only be legitimized if you start winning championships in the sport that accounts for 80% of the tv dollars. Until then, enjoy your wine and cheese while watching your hobby sport.

You must have missed E's tongue bulge in his cheek.

Obviously, but we will take our 47 team national championships to Clemson's 3. Yeah, yeah... I know but the 3 are in football and that counts more.

Believe Clemson has one or two each in soccer and golf. And yes football is infinitely more vital to the conference

(08-28-2021 03:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 02:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Hopefully if the ACC moves from Greensboro the ACC Tournament will stop playing in an arena older than me so often. Your footprint has an NBA arena and an NHL arena in North Carolina and you play in the Greensboro dump?

It's obvious that you've never attended an ACC tournament game in Greensboro.

Right. That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve read here and that says a lot. There isn’t a bad seat in the house.

I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

This post would be hilarious if I didnt know you were serious. Okay, its still pretty funny reading your overly dramatic frustration in dealing with change.


Statefan called out several fanbases (FSU, UL, SU) for having difficulty with the way that the ACC operates. Its not us having the difficulties. Its the old ACC fans that cant accept change. They cant accept that they no longer exercise the type of influence over the league that prevented the league from keeping up with the rapid changes in college athletics which has resulted in the ACC being where it currently stands. If my rooting interests has to be in this league, then all I can say is that I welcome these changes. I am glad to see the new members exercising their influence.

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics. That is why Packer and Durham spent what, a total of 30 seconds on the topic on Friday. Personally, if it doesn't make a difference for operations or revenue, leave it where it is; if it does, then move it.

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics.

Cuse, it's not "fans" at Duke and UNC, it's complicated and intertwined business interests. The real power structure in the State of NC comes out of Durham County tobacco plantations who also controlled the NC Railroad, who in turn controlled the textile industry and the banking industry. Duke and Belk might be the only two names you know. This starts in the 1850's. That means by 1950 the industry, legal system, and political system is totally controlled by UNC and Duke people who are themselves intermarried. NC State does not break into this system at all until the early 1970's.

Maryland, with Duke's and Clemson's help pulled out of the SoCon. When MD's academic turmoil combined with ACC Commissioner and MD man Bob James' death, Duke, with UNC's help, took full control of the ACC. Because UNC remains a plantation, and Duke remains a textile or tobacco mill, that means people down the line do what the Plantation Master or the Father of the Mill says. Your water, electricity, department store, bank, transportation, medical care, legal services, and politics are all under this hierarchy. Fans decide nothing in NC. Now if you did not do your homework before joining that's too bad, but that's what you joined.

I can personally assure you that even today if you step outside the party line and are too loud about it, there will be repercussions. There is probably more to X's implied threat. Duke and UNC kill what they can not control.

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics. That is why Packer and Durham spent what, a total of 30 seconds on the topic on Friday. Personally, if it doesn't make a difference for operations or revenue, leave it where it is; if it does, then move it.

if fans of the Carolina schools - Paco, I respect you but I and folks from Wake are God damned tired of being lumped in with UNC and Duke. Please show the two of us enough curtesy to differentiate. The two of us play the hand we are dealt.

For comparison, Syracuse has never run anything that mattered in New York State. Their graduates do not run the state. They do not run the City, let alone the State. Do people from Pittsburgh run Pennsylvania? Unless something has changes I thought the East and Philly ran Pa. What does Louisville run in Kentucky? Cardinals are lucky that Lexington has not declared false teeth ownership in Louisville illegal and stolen their teeth to put in eastern KY mouths. Does BC run Boston, let alone the State? Of Course not. Does GT run Georgia - of course not. Does Clemson run SC - history alone answers that they do not. UNC and Duke have run NC for over a century. UVa has run Va for over a century and VT's power in Va much eclipses NC State's power in NC because there is Duke type school in Va.

When you don't run ****, you have a bad tendency to do what you are told. This social power structure is not the fault of NC State, WF, GT, Clemson, or VT.

The biggest problem with Greensboro and the Triad is that they are mill towns despite their size - textiles and tobacco. Their banking sectors were confiscated by Charlotte and their academic sectors have not really grown as compare to the Triangles. When Apple looks at NC, they look at Raleigh. When someone wants to build a truck or a car, they look to the Triad. This shift is by itself an issue that is probably not fully comprehended outside the state. The triangle has undergone massive socioeconomic gentrification compared to the triad in the past 40 years.

If you are leaving Greensboro for Charlotte you are a moron.

Go to Alexandria/Arlington or the Triangle.

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics. That is why Packer and Durham spent what, a total of 30 seconds on the topic on Friday. Personally, if it doesn't make a difference for operations or revenue, leave it where it is; if it does, then move it.

How does moving the conference headquarters help the conference’s bottom line? It costs money to make a move. My understanding is that the city of Greensboro gives the ACC free rent. Try finding that elsewhere. You lose experienced people when you make a move. That causes disruption.

The whole desire to move the conference offices seems to come from those who resent the influence of the NC schools. I get it but don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. I expect the decisions made at the conference offices will be the same regardless of where the conference offices are located. I don’t think mere resentment is much of a justification for an expensive, disruptive move.

How many of those advocating a move have ever been responsible for moving an office? It’s not a frictionless endeavor.

(08-29-2021 02:01 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics.

Cuse, it's not "fans" at Duke and UNC, it's complicated and intertwined business interests. The real power structure in the State of NC comes out of Durham County tobacco plantations who also controlled the NC Railroad, who in turn controlled the textile industry and the banking industry. Duke and Belk might be the only two names you know. This starts in the 1850's. That means by 1950 the industry, legal system, and political system is totally controlled by UNC and Duke people who are themselves intermarried. NC State does not break into this system at all until the early 1970's.

Maryland, with Duke's and Clemson's help pulled out of the SoCon. When MD's academic turmoil combined with ACC Commissioner and MD man Bob James' death, Duke, with UNC's help, took full control of the ACC. Because UNC remains a plantation, and Duke remains a textile or tobacco mill, that means people down the line do what the Plantation Master or the Father of the Mill says. Your water, electricity, department store, bank, transportation, medical care, legal services, and politics are all under this hierarchy. Fans decide nothing in NC. Now if you did not do your homework before joining that's too bad, but that's what you joined.

I can personally assure you that even today if you step outside the party line and are too loud about it, there will be repercussions. There is probably more to X's implied threat. Duke and UNC kill what they can not control.

I get what you are saying: Duke and UNC are like the big giant mining magnates (companies) that used to control western Pennsylvania and West Virginia back in the days of the Molly Maguires. The mining companies had their very own towns that consisted of the mine, stores, and houses all owned and run by the mining company. If I am not mistaken, the miners were paid in company script, a type of currency the mining town used.

(08-29-2021 02:04 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics. That is why Packer and Durham spent what, a total of 30 seconds on the topic on Friday. Personally, if it doesn't make a difference for operations or revenue, leave it where it is; if it does, then move it.

if fans of the Carolina schools - Paco, I respect you but I and folks from Wake are God damned tired of being lumped in with UNC and Duke. Please show the two of us enough curtesy to differentiate. The two of us play the hand we are dealt.

For comparison, Syracuse has never run anything that mattered in New York State. Their graduates do not run the state. They do not run the City, let alone the State. Do people from Pittsburgh run Pennsylvania? Unless something has changes I thought the East and Philly ran Pa. What does Louisville run in Kentucky? Cardinals are lucky that Lexington has not declared false teeth ownership in Louisville illegal and stolen their teeth to put in eastern KY mouths. Does BC run Boston, let alone the State? Of Course not. Does GT run Georgia - of course not. Does Clemson run SC - history alone answers that they do not. UNC and Duke have run NC for over a century. UVa has run Va for over a century and VT's power in Va much eclipses NC State's power in NC because there is Duke type school in Va.

When you don't run ****, you have a bad tendency to do what you are told. This social power structure is not the fault of NC State, WF, GT, Clemson, or VT.

I believe that UNC and Duke wield alot of influence in the state of NC. Probably less than what you say. Whether they do or not, its good that there are others in the conference to help the conference move away from the backwards, yesteryear way of doing things. Syracuse doesnt run anything in NY, Pitt doesnt run anything in Penn, Louisville doesnt run anything in Kentucky and GT doesnt run anything in Georgia because thats the modern way of doing things. You make the State of NC sound like Mayberry. I know, and anyone who has been to the State knows that its not. And regarding Duke and UNC killing what they cant control, they cant touch NYS or Penn. The worst they can do is leave the conference. To that I say, have a nice life.

As Paco said, where they going to go? They will never be able to find another conference with the kind of influence they wield in the ACC, even if its influence is currently diminished in the ACC. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

(08-29-2021 04:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 02:04 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics. That is why Packer and Durham spent what, a total of 30 seconds on the topic on Friday. Personally, if it doesn't make a difference for operations or revenue, leave it where it is; if it does, then move it.

if fans of the Carolina schools - Paco, I respect you but I and folks from Wake are God damned tired of being lumped in with UNC and Duke. Please show the two of us enough curtesy to differentiate. The two of us play the hand we are dealt.

For comparison, Syracuse has never run anything that mattered in New York State. Their graduates do not run the state. They do not run the City, let alone the State. Do people from Pittsburgh run Pennsylvania? Unless something has changes I thought the East and Philly ran Pa. What does Louisville run in Kentucky? Cardinals are lucky that Lexington has not declared false teeth ownership in Louisville illegal and stolen their teeth to put in eastern KY mouths. Does BC run Boston, let alone the State? Of Course not. Does GT run Georgia - of course not. Does Clemson run SC - history alone answers that they do not. UNC and Duke have run NC for over a century. UVa has run Va for over a century and VT's power in Va much eclipses NC State's power in NC because there is Duke type school in Va.

When you don't run ****, you have a bad tendency to do what you are told. This social power structure is not the fault of NC State, WF, GT, Clemson, or VT.

I believe that UNC and Duke wield alot of influence in the state of NC. Probably less than what you say. Whether they do or not, its good that there are others in the conference to help the conference move away from the backwards, yesteryear way of doing things. Syracuse doesnt run anything in NY, Pitt doesnt run anything in Penn, Louisville doesnt run anything in Kentucky and GT doesnt run anything in Georgia because thats the modern way of doing things. You make the State of NC sound like Mayberry. I know, and anyone who has been to the State knows that its not. And regarding Duke and UNC killing what they cant control, they cant touch NYS or Penn. The worst they can do is leave the conference. To that I say, have a nice life.

As Paco said, where they going to go? They will never be able to find another conference with the kind of influence they wield in the ACC, even if its influence is currently diminished in the ACC. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

You disappoint me Cuse. I thought you were smarter than this or perhaps its that you have zero understanding of North Carolina and Virginia. Yes maybe that is the problem. No NC is not run like Mayberry, it's run more like a set of mob families. Do you understand that analogy? I would think someone who went to school in NY would recognize a less violent version of an organized family whose interrelated interests are always being advanced. Oh, and there is more than one way to "rub someone out". You don't have to kill him. All you need to do is mess with job, his wife's job, what he owns, or see to it he can't get a business loan. But hey, what do I know? I've only lived here nearly 60 years, worked for 3 ACC schools and had the wife work for another. Only been involved with state politics for 30 years. What could I possibly know about NC?

(08-29-2021 04:45 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 04:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 02:04 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics. That is why Packer and Durham spent what, a total of 30 seconds on the topic on Friday. Personally, if it doesn't make a difference for operations or revenue, leave it where it is; if it does, then move it.

if fans of the Carolina schools - Paco, I respect you but I and folks from Wake are God damned tired of being lumped in with UNC and Duke. Please show the two of us enough curtesy to differentiate. The two of us play the hand we are dealt.

For comparison, Syracuse has never run anything that mattered in New York State. Their graduates do not run the state. They do not run the City, let alone the State. Do people from Pittsburgh run Pennsylvania? Unless something has changes I thought the East and Philly ran Pa. What does Louisville run in Kentucky? Cardinals are lucky that Lexington has not declared false teeth ownership in Louisville illegal and stolen their teeth to put in eastern KY mouths. Does BC run Boston, let alone the State? Of Course not. Does GT run Georgia - of course not. Does Clemson run SC - history alone answers that they do not. UNC and Duke have run NC for over a century. UVa has run Va for over a century and VT's power in Va much eclipses NC State's power in NC because there is Duke type school in Va.

When you don't run ****, you have a bad tendency to do what you are told. This social power structure is not the fault of NC State, WF, GT, Clemson, or VT.

I believe that UNC and Duke wield alot of influence in the state of NC. Probably less than what you say. Whether they do or not, its good that there are others in the conference to help the conference move away from the backwards, yesteryear way of doing things. Syracuse doesnt run anything in NY, Pitt doesnt run anything in Penn, Louisville doesnt run anything in Kentucky and GT doesnt run anything in Georgia because thats the modern way of doing things. You make the State of NC sound like Mayberry. I know, and anyone who has been to the State knows that its not. And regarding Duke and UNC killing what they cant control, they cant touch NYS or Penn. The worst they can do is leave the conference. To that I say, have a nice life.

As Paco said, where they going to go? They will never be able to find another conference with the kind of influence they wield in the ACC, even if its influence is currently diminished in the ACC. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

You disappoint me Cuse. I thought you were smarter than this or perhaps its that you have zero understanding of North Carolina and Virginia. Yes maybe that is the problem. No NC is not run like Mayberry, it's run more like a set of mob families. Do you understand that analogy? I would think someone who went to school in NY would recognize a less violent version of an organized family whose interrelated interests are always being advanced. Oh, and there is more than one way to "rub someone out". You don't have to kill him. All you need to do is mess with job, his wife's job, what he owns, or see to it he can't get a business loan. But hey, what do I know? I've only lived here nearly 60 years, worked for 3 ACC schools and had the wife work for another. Only been involved with state politics for 30 years. What could I possibly know about NC?

You would think with the rapid advance of corporatism that everyone would be familiar with "a corporate hit" which takes away livelihood or uses PR laws to essentially perform a "soft hit" via the personnel file and relegate an opponent to lower paygrades via an attack on character which cannot be reviewed or defended since the victim never knows the accusation. White collar mafia has even less of their own morality code than street mafia. I assume it is because they don't have to face victims and live in gated communities. I was once directed to keep only negative information on employees and that was in a corporately run non profit. The lousy jerks in HR wanted to be able to cull employees if they or their families became a bottom line liability on the group policy rates. It wasn't a published position but was implied strongly. Don't think in terms of existing cases as much as our needing to be proactive in accelerating ones. I found that another convenient reason to retire. What floors me are the middle aged guys who wholly believe in the corporate agendas they keep and those that employ them. "It'll never happen to me." is alive and well!

Perhaps Phillips recognizes the problem and is trying to incorporate the ACC in a differrent state?

(08-29-2021 06:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Perhaps Phillips recognizes the problem and is trying to incorporate the ACC in a differrent state?

You never move into a system and attack the existing power structure until you've established your own credentials.

(08-29-2021 02:04 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 01:43 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".
He felt that there was bias against Greensboro among the old Big East teams that have kept several championships out of Greensboro over the last few years.

An example: Greensboro bailed the conference out when Boston College screwed the conference and the Baseball tournament scheduled for Fenway Park had to be relocated at the last minute.
The company that owns the minor league team bent over backwards to accommodate the ACC. The Greensboro minor league team (the Grasshoppers) is single A. However the stadium is AAA ready and a much nicer venue than Durham.
Greensboro bid several times for the baseball tournament after helping the conference out of a crisis, but was snubbed every time.

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

LMFAO! Where do you think you are moving to that will host anything in the Carolinas? You think your influence is diminished in the ACC? LOL, go to the B10 or SEC and see what happens there.

I wouldn't call the Greensboro coliseum complex a dump, but the arena itself is nothing special. It really makes me wonder if fans of the Carolina schools have seen anything outside of their own state.

Bottom line is the ACC's primary charge to Phillips was to close the revenue gap and the conference isn't in position to leave one nickle on the table for the sake of baby bluehair nostalgia. If that means moving HQ, then it should move. That also doesn't mean all championship events are leaving, although if they'd make more money elsewhere, they should as well. Moving the office from Greensboro is a complete nothingburger for anything that actually matters in modern college athletics. That is why Packer and Durham spent what, a total of 30 seconds on the topic on Friday. Personally, if it doesn't make a difference for operations or revenue, leave it where it is; if it does, then move it.

if fans of the Carolina schools - Paco, I respect you but I and folks from Wake are God damned tired of being lumped in with UNC and Duke. Please show the two of us enough curtesy to differentiate. The two of us play the hand we are dealt.

For comparison, Syracuse has never run anything that mattered in New York State. Their graduates do not run the state. They do not run the City, let alone the State. Do people from Pittsburgh run Pennsylvania? Unless something has changes I thought the East and Philly ran Pa. What does Louisville run in Kentucky? Cardinals are lucky that Lexington has not declared false teeth ownership in Louisville illegal and stolen their teeth to put in eastern KY mouths. Does BC run Boston, let alone the State? Of Course not. Does GT run Georgia - of course not. Does Clemson run SC - history alone answers that they do not. UNC and Duke have run NC for over a century. UVa has run Va for over a century and VT's power in Va much eclipses NC State's power in NC because there is Duke type school in Va.

When you don't run ****, you have a bad tendency to do what you are told. This social power structure is not the fault of NC State, WF, GT, Clemson, or VT.

Well, the UNC and duke grads have been running the ACC so well that we're in dead last in tv revenue and locked into a disastrous tv contract for the next 15 years. But hey, Chad Swofford came out ok, so it's all good.

That being said, it would be nice to have some new blood running the ACC going forward.

(08-29-2021 06:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 06:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Perhaps Phillips recognizes the problem and is trying to incorporate the ACC in a differrent state?

You never move into a system and attack the existing power structure until you've established your own credentials.

It's a risky play this early in the game, but I don't think the ACC can afford to sit back and wait. Phillips should throw the awful tv contract and nepotism in the face of any resistance he encounters.

(08-29-2021 06:43 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 06:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-29-2021 06:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Perhaps Phillips recognizes the problem and is trying to incorporate the ACC in a differrent state?

You never move into a system and attack the existing power structure until you've established your own credentials.

It's a risky play this early in the game, but I don't think the ACC can afford to sit back and wait. Phillips should throw the awful tv contract and nepotism in the face of any resistance he encounters.

Ren you are in a 5, maybe 6, part Kabuki play and Clemson is merely playing a role, as is ESPN, and as is Phillips, and as are the ruling triad.

Edit: To avoid being too cryptic you should listen to X for foreshadowing.

(08-29-2021 12:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  I spoke yesterday to a friend who is "in the know".
He said that he thinks the move from Greensboro is already a "done deal".

It was a dark day when we let those people into our conference, and the are like a stench that just won't wash out. Eventually the only way to rid ourselves of them will be to leave, and leave them behind.

While I want what's best for the conference as a whole overall, a move is nearly worth it on it's own just to be able to get more laughs at your continued wailing and gnashing of teeth. You have such a closed old-school mindset with incredibly narrow blinders on.