(09-02-2021 09:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  If the ACC is going to move and stay in NC, it should be the Research Triangle. If not NOVa.

State College Pa can see NOVa and we can poke a finger in MD's eye.

You’re confusing Big East fans. They think you want the conference office to move to Villanova, PA.

(09-02-2021 10:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-02-2021 09:34 AM)Statefan Wrote:  If the ACC is going to move and stay in NC, it should be the Research Triangle. If not NOVa.

State College Pa can see NOVa and we can poke a finger in MD's eye.

You’re confusing Big East fans. They think you want the conference office to move to Villanova, PA.

Much as I like the Bryn Mawr and Villanova area, suburban Philly is not the place for the ACC office. Annapolis is not bad either.

(08-26-2021 08:40 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Plausible ACC HQ Sites:

Raleigh CMSA
46.9% with at least a BA
20% with post grad
2.1 M
12.6% Foreign Born
NC State, UNC, Duke in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities – NC Central, Meredith
Pro Teams – Carolina Hurricanes
ACC schools in 3 hour drive – NCSU, UVA, VT, Duke, WF, UNC
3.5 seasons – very mild winter

Charlotte CMSA
36.2 % with at least a BA
2.6 M
12% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
No P-5 in Metro
Med School 0 (WF building one)
Other Universities – UNC Charlotte
Pro Teams – Carolina Panthers, Charlotte Hornets
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time CU, UNC, WF, Duke, NCSU, VT
3. 5 seasons – very mild winter

Greensboro CMSA
27.8% with at least a BA
1.6 M
10% with post grad
8 % Foreign Born
WF in metro
Med Schools – 0
Other Universities – UNC-G, Winston Salem State, NC A&T, Guilford College, Greensboro College
Pro Teams – 0
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – NCSU, UNC, Duke, WF, VT, UVa
3.5 Seasons – mild winter

Atlanta CMSA
40% with at least a BA
6 M
15% with post grad
11% Foreign Born
GT and UGa in metro
Med Schools – 2
Other Universities, Emory, Spellman, Morehouse
Pro Teams – Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Braves, Atlanta Hawks
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time – GT, Clemson
3 seasons – winter? sometimes

DC/NOVA CMSA
51.4% with at least a BA
25% post grad
6.2 M
23% Foreign Born
MD in metro
Med Schools – 4
Other Universities Georgetown, GW, American, George Mason
Pro Teams – Washington Redskins, Washington Nationals, Washington Wizards, Washington Capitals
ACC schools in 3 hour drive time - Va
True 4 seasons – variable winter


I listed variables that might matter when it comes to the place of college sports in the region and the region's people. Atlanta is a Pro and SEC town. I would rather take an ass whipp'n that drive to Atlanta for any reason. DC is somewhat better but not past the mixing bowl in Arlington. Greensboro is a former mill town, so is Charlotte and so is Durham (part of Raleigh CMSA). Now if you are talking about Dulles and that part of NOVA, what is actually on side of the Potomac that is not in Raleigh other than the Pentagon, Arlington Cemetery, and CIA HQ?

I get that Phillips is missing Chicago and Greensboro is dull by most any standard. If you are moving to get the ACC away from Duke and UNC control, you will not get that in Charlotte. You have a better chance in Raleigh and perhaps the best chance in DC/NOVA. I don't think we gain by moving to a pro town with pro town media. Consider that the best source of ACC news is found in Richmond via Dave Teel who used to be in Roanoke.

In 30 years the Raleigh CMSA will be the dominate region between Atlanta and DC, something to consider.

This all seems silly. But just for the sake of accuracy Raleigh metro has 3 med schools, you forgot Campbell. Greensboro metro has a med school, how could you forget Wake Forest? But really what's the big deal about percentages of grad school graduates and such? Greensboro is the right place for the headquarter. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

(08-29-2021 02:12 PM)Statefan Wrote:  The biggest problem with Greensboro and the Triad is that they are mill towns despite their size - textiles and tobacco. Their banking sectors were confiscated by Charlotte and their academic sectors have not really grown as compare to the Triangles. When Apple looks at NC, they look at Raleigh. When someone wants to build a truck or a car, they look to the Triad. This shift is by itself an issue that is probably not fully comprehended outside the state. The triangle has undergone massive socioeconomic gentrification compared to the triad in the past 40 years.

If you are leaving Greensboro for Charlotte you are a moron.

Go to Alexandria/Arlington or the Triangle.

Looked at another way, there there are two North Carolina's, the three major metro areas (Triangle, Triad, Charlotte) and the rest of the state. The rich and the poor.

(08-30-2021 07:25 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-27-2021 11:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  The geographic center of the ACC is in Reidsville, NC, a great little town that is located 21 miles north of Greensboro.

We'll see if Reidsville can put together an incentive package.

I'm no expert on what a conference HHQs needs but I figure airport accessibility to member schools and media is top priority. Charlotte is the most connected city closest to the center of the conference. I don't know enough about Charlotte (other than road construction is continuous there) if an office near the airport is good for staff and housing relocation.

For about 6 schools air travel doesn't really matter as they should drive if less than 3 hours.

Good gosh, land at RDU and rent a car. It's an easy drive.

I did forget WF's med school and how I did that is beyond me.

Regarding Campbell - that's a D.O. program.

(09-03-2021 09:46 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I did forget WF's med school and how I did that is beyond me.

Regarding Campbell - that's a D.O. program.

It's a medical school and all their graduates will be doctors so I don't think it matters does it?

(09-03-2021 09:49 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:46 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I did forget WF's med school and how I did that is beyond me.

Regarding Campbell - that's a D.O. program.

It's a medical school and all their graduates will be doctors so I don't think it matters does it?

I guess I should have said Research/Teaching Hospital attached to a Med School. That's what I meant, but I did not clearly delineate that.

Bottom line it should stay in Greensboro. If it moves to Charlotte for all practical purposes it will have left NC. Anyone who grew up in the state knows that Charlotte has always thought they were, "The Republic of Mecklenburg" and the rest of the state thought of them as Northern South Carolina. ?

(09-03-2021 09:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:49 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:46 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I did forget WF's med school and how I did that is beyond me.

Regarding Campbell - that's a D.O. program.

It's a medical school and all their graduates will be doctors so I don't think it matters does it?

I guess I should have said Research/Teaching Hospital attached to a Med School. That's what I meant, but I did not clearly delineate that.

Maybe we'll be there one day, but I doubt in my lifetime. We do have Central Harnett Hospital in Lillington.

(09-03-2021 10:00 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Bottom line it should stay in Greensboro. If it moves to Charlotte for all practical purposes it will have left NC. Anyone who grew up in the state knows that Charlotte has always thought they were, "The Republic of Mecklenburg" and the rest of the state thought of them as Northern South Carolina. ?

Charlotte was referred to as"The Great State of Mecklenburg".

(09-03-2021 10:04 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:49 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(09-03-2021 09:46 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I did forget WF's med school and how I did that is beyond me.

Regarding Campbell - that's a D.O. program.

It's a medical school and all their graduates will be doctors so I don't think it matters does it?

I guess I should have said Research/Teaching Hospital attached to a Med School. That's what I meant, but I did not clearly delineate that.

Maybe we'll be there one day, but I doubt in my lifetime. We do have Central Harnett Hospital in Lillington.

They can only partner with Wake Med. UNC, ECU, Duke, and even NC State will agitate against the license for that. The only way to have a third teaching hospital is for it to involve NC State in a way that does not threaten UNC. Not likely.

But yes for those that are informed about NC, Charlotte is not NC. Very little west of I-77 is North Carolina. The Northwest including Boone and down to Morganton. Asheville. Everything else is some cultural combination of SC/GA/TN

Not that it matters IMO, but if potential corporate partnerships are important then Charlotte clearly has a edge over any other nc based location. The market value of the top 100 nc based public companies located in the Charlotte region is over 900 Billion & more than Triangle & Triad (143& 113 Billion) combined

(08-26-2021 05:20 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 05:12 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-26-2021 04:44 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...d3995.html

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Great Find Terp. From the article:

“He knows it’s unsettling for the staff,” said North Carolina athletic director Bubba Cunningham, the 2021-22 chairman of the league’s ADs. “He’s been very complimentary of, and open with, the staff. But I think the reality of 15 schools, many of them from the Big East, they don’t quite understand or appreciate the history of the league, the founding of it in Greensboro, and so, he owes it to them to explore. Now, I’m very biased in what I hope the outcome is, [staying in Greensboro], but I think it’s a fair thing to do for the membership.”




If the league offices end up leaving NC, Phillips will become the most hated man in NC, lol.

Yeah. I don’t think that Cunningham’s quote is helpful.

Chances are that Greensboro makes sense, and Charlotte would be the next in line. Pushing back on the process, from the start, doesn’t help the conference.

All of North Carolina is growing. Greensboro is experiencing insane growth as well, with property values as a sign of that. I'm not sure what goes into a League Office location but I'd imagine the exploration of moving it may be a personal motivation to be a rich guy living in a bigger city than Greensboro. However, you don't get much more central to the ACC membership footprint than Greensboro and it is the rightful home of the ACC.

Progress for the sake of progress must be discouraged.

As a Hokie and fan of one of the "new" schools - a football-first school, too - I'm all-in on changing the culture of the ACC. Going forward, I think the football schools need to exert more influence - particularly Clemson and Florida State, but also Virginia Tech to the proper degree.

...that said, I see no reason nor any advantage to moving ACC headquarters.

(09-06-2021 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As a Hokie and fan of one of the "new" schools - a football-first school, too - I'm all-in on changing the culture of the ACC. Going forward, I think the football schools need to exert more influence - particularly Clemson and Florida State, but also Virginia Tech to the proper degree.

...that said, I see no reason nor any advantage to moving ACC headquarters.

Sure, let’s build the conference’s future around the SEC wannabe schools. Great idea.

(09-06-2021 01:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As a Hokie and fan of one of the "new" schools - a football-first school, too - I'm all-in on changing the culture of the ACC. Going forward, I think the football schools need to exert more influence - particularly Clemson and Florida State, but also Virginia Tech to the proper degree.

...that said, I see no reason nor any advantage to moving ACC headquarters.

Sure, let’s build the conference’s future around the SEC wannabe schools. Great idea.

Football accounts for 80% of the tv revenue, so those that actually put forth an effort should have much more sway. The ACC wouldn't be viable without the football first schools. UNC, Duke, and UVa will never sniff the playoff, so they should take seat and let grown ups lead.

(09-06-2021 02:35 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 01:34 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-06-2021 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As a Hokie and fan of one of the "new" schools - a football-first school, too - I'm all-in on changing the culture of the ACC. Going forward, I think the football schools need to exert more influence - particularly Clemson and Florida State, but also Virginia Tech to the proper degree.

...that said, I see no reason nor any advantage to moving ACC headquarters.

Sure, let’s build the conference’s future around the SEC wannabe schools. Great idea.

Football accounts for 80% of the tv revenue, so those that actually put forth an effort should have much more sway. The ACC wouldn't be viable without the football first schools. UNC, Duke, and UVa will never sniff the playoff, so they should take seat and let grown ups lead.

1- What does moving the office have to do with football revenue?

2- You missed the point. Why bend for schools that would leave for the SEC without a moment’s notice? They already got their wish in Louisville.

3- Without Clemson and FSU, the rest of the ACC would still be a top 5 conference. So yeah.

4- I’m all about playing nice with the football-first schools because I understand their value, but this is a democracy and they’re still the minority in the conference. A conference they voted to add a bunch of lesser football programs into, mind you.

Since when did NC have very mild winters?

RDU in January High 50 low 30

To me very mild winters is more like 65/45

(09-06-2021 11:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As a Hokie and fan of one of the "new" schools - a football-first school, too - I'm all-in on changing the culture of the ACC. Going forward, I think the football schools need to exert more influence - particularly Clemson and Florida State, but also Virginia Tech to the proper degree.

...that said, I see no reason nor any advantage to moving ACC headquarters.

I'm keeping an open mind on this...Greensboro in the long run still make sense...but the ACC should do their due diligence. This isn't like the old country club days so maybe going to a big city makes sense too. I'd say there is about a 90% chance it stays in NC.